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Russia-Ukraine War

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,918 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I would hope the US will also allow France and UK give permission for storm shadows and scalps to be used within Russia.

    If you're going to have a joint venture between the UK and France on cruise missiles, don't go sourcing critical components from the US!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,586 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Stop announcing these things and giving Russia time to move stuff around ffs!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 947 ✭✭✭SchrodingersCat


    It is odd that they would announce it. Previously they would make the announcement after the weapons were used.
    Unless the US want to make the announcement asap in retaliation after the import of the Iranian missiles.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭zv2


    It doesn't matter. Putin would be in on it pronto.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,825 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    Maybe it is being announced to give Moscow a warning not to use the Iranian drones? Actually… that’s a shite possibility



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 947 ✭✭✭SchrodingersCat


    Yep, that’s a possibility. I would have expected some videos/photos of the aftermath however.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,729 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    or maybe announce it in the hope that Russia will move stuff around, and new positions noted and attacked… perhaps even uncovering some previously hidden equipment…..

    The Americans are still sharing satellite intel with Ukraine right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 258 ✭✭Avatar in the Post


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,741 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,741 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,741 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Also. The thread fcuked again?

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,110 ✭✭✭RGARDINR




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,291 ✭✭✭paul71




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,347 ✭✭✭rogber


    Further proof if it were needed that Ukraine desperately needs a Harris victory in the US election:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,136 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Unfortunately it doesn't look like Ukraine will be taking the land south of that river.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,692 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    what the Chinese do internally with their own money is their problem I could care less but the US has become dependent on external countries owning their debt at the margin, again if it was Americans I could care less either but as it is they are setting the seeds for the developing of an alternate to the $ system , its inevitable and it creates tension

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 884 ✭✭✭Norrie Rugger Head


    They're eating the DOGS!!!

    Donald Trump 2024



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,131 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Probably worthy of its own thread as it’s going way off tangent here

    Start by providing a list of these other countries and how much they own, the structure and type of debt and try to attempt to answer the question “why they lend to US” while at it

    You will find the thought excercise illuminating

    Alot of people see big numbers and their brain switches off, no longer asking basic questions like what, why, when, how



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,741 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Yep. Like watching the TV series 'From' no matter what I do keep ending up back here.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,110 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Problem is Ukraine are spread to far thin. They moved their better troops out of kursk to stop the Russian advances in the donbass which they have had some success in but now Russia can take advantage in kursk which they are. There just isn't enough ukraine troops.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭yagan


    If the move into the Kursk region was a feint to concentrate Russia resources together it seems to be working well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,131 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Observation: For over a month we had posts along lines of “no Russian troops were moved to Kursk, silly Ukrainians” and “Povrosk will fall in three days, Russia Stronk”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,136 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Definitely.. you'd much rather the Russians attacking in waves in Russia instead of Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,131 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    It’s better than that, these guys are relying on pontoon bridges for supplies to the north with Ukraine on the three other sides

    20 days left for Russians to meet Putin’s decree of freeing Kursk, gonna set a reminder for three weeks from now

    We’ve gone from Kiev in three days to, Kursk in three weeks 😃



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,347 ✭✭✭rogber


    Sources for those quotes or else you're distorting and making stuff up again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,347 ✭✭✭rogber


    There aren't enough troops or enough equipment, the Ukrainians aren't at the golf carts stage yet but according to Forbes running seriously low on modern equipment:

    On a more positive and cheeky note:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,692 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    I dont keep spreadsheets in my head but the point is china clearly has a net investment in the US as do the oil states etc. in an environment of rising tensions countries will look for alternatives for fear of default /blackmail etc. , its not like the Americans dont have an opinion on whether the Chinese buy US debt or not.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,131 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    You should because your thesis is based on imaginary data

    Here is who owns US debt

    You mention “alternatives”

    Care to name any of these “alternatives”?

    Imagine you are Saudi Arabia and the $160bn (notice hilariously enough currency they measure in) Aramco just made in last year and the other 1.5T it will probably make in next 9 years is burning a hole in your pocket, which “alternative” would you stash this in but western markets

    Aside: that’s one trillion reasons right there for China not to invade Taiwan, maybe they can sell this debt and buy Russian debt, I hear they are a reliable lot and pay good interest 😂 (ignoring Chinese banks blocking transfers to Russia these days)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,212 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    You have to wonder why people are so blind to what is going on in the Ukrainian forces, the chronic shortages are constantly reported, across all types of equipment, and especially in regard to manpower.

    No one who has Interest in this is surprised that 60 year old vehicles are the new thing for Ukraine now.

    Russia isnt stronk, it's weak and badly run, army badly led but it is currently enjoying success in Ukraine while being embarrassed in Kursk but if you are interested in Ukraine, it is the success in Ukraine part that should concern you.

    Look at the fall of novohrodivka at the moment, a town of 14k falling in to Russian hands with hardly a shot fired, Vuhledar being encircled and steady but small advances along the line, snail pace but they gain and that's all that counts and they are gaining ground now in a way unimaginable over the last 2 years.

    As things stand Ukraine can just about hold the line but the idea that they can mount a counter offensive to take back their territory is as ludicrous as saying Kyiv will fall this year or next or Kursk be retaken by the reds this month.

    Ukraine can have a good result if the West support it properly, winning is now unrealistic due to the West chickening out for the last few years.

    Easier to say "Slava Ukrainia" and "Russia stronk" than give them what they need and make the changes necessary for that.

    A Ukrainian front line collapse is more likely than a Russian one at this stage. The war of attrition has worked in wearing down Ukraine's best units, and western resolve at incredible cost to Russia.

    And that's on the west. No one else delivered it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,212 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


     German-based Kiel Institute for the World Economy published a report on September 9 warning that Russia has significantly increased its defense industrial base (DIB) capabilities since 2022 and that depleting weapons and equipment stockpiles may not significantly impact future Russian DIB production.[74] The Kiel Institute reported that between the final quarter of 2022 and the second quarter of 2024, Russia increased tank production by 215 percent from 123 to 387 per quarter; armored vehicle production by 141 percent from 585 to 1,409 per quarter; artillery gun production by 149 percent from 45 to 112 per quarter; short-range air defense systems by 200 percent from nine to 38 per quarter; medium- and long-range air defense systems by 100 percent from six to 12 per quarter; and Lancet loitering munitions by 475 percent from 93 to 535 per quarter. The Kiel Institute caveated these statistics with the fact that 80 percent of Russian armored vehicle and tank production thus far has been a result of retrofitting existing tank hulls from pre-existing stockpiles rather than producing new vehicles, but warned that Russian armored vehicle production may not significantly decrease when Russia's existing stockpiles run out. The Kiel Institute assessed that Russia's armored vehicle production rate will likely decrease beginning in 2026 as Russia burns through its Soviet-era stockpiles but that Russia will likely open new production lines in the coming years to prepare to mitigate that effect. The Kiel Institute estimated that Russia will likely produce 350 modern tanks per year after 2026 even if Russia does not open additional production lines. The Kiel Institute also warned that Russia is working to increase domestic production of "rear systems" such as artillery and air defense and reduce its reliance on pre-existing stockpiles of such systems. The Kiel Institute also credited North Korean ammunition provisions with giving Russia a "strong oversupply" of artillery ammunition and reported that Russian forces are firing 10,000 shells per day.

    Not much good the west being 20 times the Russian economy and a century ahead of North Korea when it won't be arsed to spend on defense or kill it's opponents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,347 ✭✭✭rogber




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,136 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I guess we'll see but would be nice if Ukraine could hold it through the mud season and into winter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 258 ✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Do any of the "Ukraine is Doomed!" "The West have forsaken Ukraine!" commentators think the heralded long range US/UK missiles are going to have much of an impact for Ukraine?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,110 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    It would definitely help Ukraine. It would definitely slow Russia down. Will it stop Russia fully I doubt it but it would really help Ukraine especially when the mud sets in as it would be very hard for russia to move forces as fast and hardware and supplies as fast so they might be in locations longer then they would of been in better weather so if these are in russia proper then Ukraine can take them out better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Even if no missiles are launched - it forces the Russians to have much longer supply lines and logistics, plus all the headaches that involves. So yes, it will have an impact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,176 ✭✭✭✭josip


    What would be viable ATACMS targets? Max range 300km, they're not going to be keeping the launchers very close to front lines, so maybe 200km behind the front lines? $1.5m a pop for an ATACMS so it's not really worthwhile using them to destroy a T-72. So that leaves aircraft and infrastructure?

    Does Russia keep any aircraft that close to the front lines after all the drone attacks? What critical infrastructure would be within range? Are there any S-400s ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,131 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    From ISW recently

    The redeployment of Russian air assets from Russian air bases in range of ATACMS does not remove the utility of using ATACMS against other Russian military targets, however.

     ISW assesses that there are at least 250 military and paramilitary objects in Russia within range of ATACMS missiles that the United States has provided Ukraine. The United States currently prohibits Ukrainian forces from using ATACMS missiles to strike military targets in Russia, however, and only allows strikes using US-provided HIMARS equipped with GMLRS — at maximum permitting Ukraine to strike only 20 out of the 250 objects it could strike with ATACMS. Only 17 of these 250 objects are airfields, and it is unlikely that the Russian military has redeployed assets away from all the other 233 objects to the same degree as it has reportedly done with aviation assets.

    US officials’ comments centered on Russia’s redeployment of air assets have so far largely ignored the majority of targets in range of ATACMS that Ukrainian forces could strike if US prohibitions were lifted. Many of the 233 military and paramilitary objects in range of ATACMS are large military bases, communications stations, logistics centers, repair facilities, fuel depots, ammunition warehouses, and permanent headquarters that would be extremely difficult or impossible to quickly redeploy assets from or rapidly harden. ISW has not collected open-source evidence of redeployments of military assets from the majority of Russia’s rear areas. The mass redeployment of assets away from such facilities would present significant challenges to Russian logistics throughout the theater, and open sources and US officials have not indicated that Russian forces have engaged in such logistical upheavals. Such disruptions to Russian logistics throughout the deep rear would have also constrained ongoing Russian offensive operations throughout the frontline, and ISW has not observed evidence of such widespread logistical constraints. The 233 Russian military and paramilitary objects within ranges of ATACMS missiles that are not airfields support Russian command and control (C2), intelligence, reconnaissance, logistical, and repair support for Russian forces fighting in Ukraine and in Kursk Oblast, and the assessment that there is no utility in granting Ukraine the ability to use ATACMS in Russia on the basis of limited redeployments of air assets from some airfields ignores these facilities. Any assessment that argues that there is no point in allowing Ukraine to strike targets in Russia on the exclusive basis of air asset redeployments is incomplete without also accounting for the hundreds of other facilities supporting Russia’s war against Ukraine and would thus be incorrect.

    https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-august-24-2024

    If ISW can find a shopping list of targets I’m sure Ukrainians and their intelligence know of more juicy things to go boom that can help the war



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Russia may be sensitive to oil.

    '

    “Russia has been forced to spend over $8bn amassing this shadow fleet. But with sanctioned tankers loitering and unable to load oil, we are determined to make Putin’s investment an expensive misstep for the Kremlin. Our action will help to counter Russian attempts to undermine and dodge economic sanctions.”

    The ships targeted are all described as “high-volume offenders” – vessels operating around the clock to transport as much Russian oil as possible. These ships will now be barred from entering UK ports and will be refused access to the UK ship register.

    Just three of the vessels targeted, Nikolay Zuyev, NS Asia and Zaliv Aniva, have collectively carried more than $5bn worth of Russian oil since Russia’s full scale invasion of Ukraine began in February 2022.

    The large and recently developed shadow fleet has become the biggest loophole in western efforts to prevent Russia continuing to fund its war through oil exports.

    In an effort to stop the revenue, but also prevent the price of oil skyrocketing, the G7 agreed to block insurance to any ship that sold oil at above a cap of $60 a barrel. The shadow fleet has grown to circumvent the G7 policy, but analysts have said a relatively small number of ships are at the heart of the operation.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,131 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Oil prices are back to below prewar levels circa 2021 now, they were lower in 2020 but then whole global economy shutdown due to Covid

    Anyways good news



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,656 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Another borked thread



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,347 ✭✭✭rogber


    Will it help Ukraine? Yes, like every weapons delivery, and it's a very important sign to Russia that escalation works both ways.

    Will it be the miracle solution that turns the tide and leads to Ukrainian victory and Russian defeat? No.

    Also: No one is saying "Ukraine is doomed", that's just the usual tedious distortion by people who deny the reality of what's happening then go silent when asked to back up their quotes

    Post edited by rogber on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,741 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like good news incoming

    Twitter is also awash with rumours that the Russian fighter jet downed over the black sea was taken out by an F16. No proof so far though. Wait and see.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,038 ✭✭✭circadian


    Ukraine are also developing (and I read somewhere have claimed successfully used) their own ballistic missile capable of around 400-500km range.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hrim-2



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,131 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Storm shadow mentioned higher up can reach Moscow as well, they also claiming made homegrown jet drone which I suppose is a form of dumber cheaper cruise missile



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,212 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Havent seen anyone say Ukraine is doomed, it's just losing ground at the moment and arming it's new battalions with vehicles that the last men in were talking about the breaking story of JFK being shot.

    Why do people pretend that is not a problem?

    I sometimes wonder do people like yourselves do it to not have an urgency with aid and weapons for Ukraine.

    Course it helps. There should never have been any restrictions, end them immediately and give Ukraine so many that they will hit every power plant, military factory, dam, water works, barracks in Russia.

    The west should be in it to win it. Should be.

    The missiles will not dislodge Russia out of the already capture territory but they might stop them taking more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,212 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It

    If given in significant numbers it might stop the tide though.

    If they are still fretting about 1 being fired in to Russia. They are going to fret about hundreds upon hundreds being fired.

    Like all the best tech, it's a mix of too little and too late.

    No lead in the pencil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,347 ✭✭✭rogber


    Good. Hitting targets inside Russia is the way to go, make Russia spread their defences thinner



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,212 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Like Lammy and Blinken accusing Russia and Iran of escalating things.

    Russia invaded Ukraine, an escalation you could say. Add in multiple other countries it's messing with.

    Iran has attacked 3 countries in the last 6 months, it had its proxies in Hamas attack Israel in a savage fashion, Hezbollah are trying to start a war in the north and their Houthis are firing at even Paul O'Donovan rowing in the Red sea.

    We are long past the escalating stage.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 231 ✭✭AngeloArgue


    The ATACMS hitting targets in Russia is a game changer. It will force the Russians to move their jets and air defences hundreds of kilometres away from the border. This will allow the F-16s to have air supremacy over Ukraine. The Russians will no longer be able to use their glide bombs, but the F-16s will be able to hit Russian targets in Ukraine without the risk of being shot down.



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