Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

Trump walked into the spin room after the debate (where different news orgs would be interviewing spokespeople and advisers who are there to effectively talk about how great their candidate did and expand or clarify their comments), and tried to turn it into a type of impromptu press conference for himself.

Such a sad move of desperation.

I just put Ivanka in the front row when I need to feel stimulated

Too busy celebrating after yet another genius outsider display against the leftist liberal elite swamp dwellers. Build the wall baby

They need to coordinate and plan the attack. They are absolutely lost since Biden dropped out all their talking points and memes became redundant and they have no default attack anymore.

Plus all the dementia experts must have secured employment after expertly diagnosing Biden. They must be too busy with those jobs to comment on Trumps performances since Biden dropped out. That can be the only reason for their silence right?

So stepping back, if we go back a few months, we always said the primary purpose of this debate was the chance for Harris to show she was “presidential” worthy- she needed to act and sound presidential- I believe she did that.

It was also an objective to show that she could stand up to Trump- she did that too.

However, since two months ago, we’ve learned that this is not enough to win the presidency - if it was, she’d totally be president elect come November.

Whilst I only saw the final 3rd of the debate and snippets from the rest of it, what went through my mind was- is she reaching out and influencing enough the undecided voters? If their “concerns” were simply about her ability to be presidential, then I think yes she addressed those concerns.

But in the 1/2 hour I watched, I’m not sure did she land key messages to those voters in the swing states who feel disenfranchised and forgotten - poor, possibly jobless or multiple jobs to make ends meet- what was in it for them? Trump used his usual scare tactics - honestly I felt that was working a bit too much when I thought of those particular voters- I don’t think Harris copped what was happening and assumed he was just ranting- but I think that was trumps way of landing messages towards these very precious swing voters. Just my view.

However, IF, there were significant votes to be picked up by other voters that could help swing the election, then yes I believe Harris would have got these- maybe some of those Kennedy votes even.

I think she’s done very well at this debate - but if the polls are to be believed, and I’m certainly skeptical of these right now in terms of how close the two candidates are, the Democrats now need to carefully “court” the swing state voters - I mean, walking door to door isn’t out of the question here - in fact that would certainly get the headlines and possibly the empathy from these voters- it has to be a big loud act to get their attention

At least RTE radio programming will have its filler content sorted for the day.

It will be discussed on every single show today.

I actually think the manner in which Harris came to this election actually did her a favour - she got overwhelming endorsement overnight - so that’s the Democrats united in an instant- since then she’s risen in the polls to become neck and neck with Trump - absolutely no time for the Republicans to plan their battles - had she been the “chosen one” much sooner, it would have given the opposition a lot more time to assassinate her character - she’s still “new and fresh” in the people’s minds as a future president - I think that’s important - they need to see her as the future president not “the former vice president” - had she a longer lead in I think there would have been upset in the Democratic Party so not united and she would have had to endure a lot more criticism

Fair enough.

Trump came across as a guy who prepared for an hour before the debate, fumbling through it like a university presentation. He failed to provide any specifics in his arguments and focused too much on personal grievances. I wonder what was actually covered during his debate prep. Anyway, it will take a week or so to know the impact of the debate.

But it's not all bad, from the CNN flash exit poll:

".voters who tuned in gave Trump a 20-point advantage over Harris after the debate on handling the economy, 55% to 35% – a margin that’s slightly wider than his pre-debate edge.

Debate watchers also gave Trump a 23-point advantage over Harris when it came to whom they trusted to handle immigration and a 6-point edge on handling the role of commander in chief."

Definitely looks like a mistake by the Trump campaign to press Biden so hard before the democratic convention, giving him time to pull out and a new candidate be put in his place.

They have nothing to date that's landed a meaningful blow to her and the debate seems to have gone completely her way.

😂 Shameless

The one thing Musk wants more than anything is to be genuinely liked by the public, but he is deeply unlikeable with a darkness about him, so that's not a goer.

So, because he cannot have love, he will take notoriety via his second career of professional Twitter edgelord.

I can go back to the early 80s- an Asian restaurant in O Connell st - “where someone found cans of dog meat in the bins out back- “- was the rumour -it’s obviously a universal way of creating fear against people who find themselves living in a non integrated or low ethnic population

Trump has 24 felony convictions

34.

He only does felony convictions biggly.

Harris used body language very well. The hand under the jaw, tilting up her head, meaning 'you're talking sh1te', and I'm coming for you. That also was a replacement for might usually be her laugh.

Has Trump's voice gotten weaker or something? He sounds almost like he has a head cold or something.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-voter-panel-says-harris-won-debate

Usual sycophants will be on here though denying reality and trying to invent their alternative facts

"Trump was so bad, he’s just like an old suit from like 1987 right now. He just repeats himself, says the same stuff, and she’s refreshing in that she’s different," the voter said. "I think if he had a different line of attack with her, it would have been more effective."

"He is still in his head basically trying to run against Joe Biden," one voter said.

"I think she won the debate from my perspective, because he was so bad and he just sounds so repetitive, but I think she’s weak. 

I liked a lot of what Harris said and did last night but I'll be blunt here. There are a lot of GOP voters [male and female] who would be uncertain or unhappy at a woman being elected to the office of POTUS, that they don't think a woman would have the bottle to go all the way if some foreign potentate became a clear and present danger to the US. Harris has to convince those voters that she can be relied on to sit behind the desk where the buck stops and do the job regardless of the taste it leaves in her mouth.

I see Trump as being so intent in avoiding direct combat casualties with such a foreign potentate - in order to keep US troops safe within the borders of the US and not on foreign soil - that he'd cave in to the three bullies working hand in hand from Russia, Byelorussia and Hungary [and the invaded territories] to a greater degree than he did while president. He exchanged bluster with foreign heads of state and dictators, now believing his own reports on the success of his policies, that he believes he can force Putin and the like back into their cages. He sees his policies as sending a chill up the backs of those potentates to the degree they believe in and are scared he'll do what he said in his bluster.

One thing about last night. Trump concentrated his eyes on the camera to give the viewer the look that he was looking them in the face while Harris kept her eyes fixed on Trump and away from the camera, giving the audience an impression she may have had no interest in them, only addressing them with words defending women's rights and the other things she spoke about. If there is to be another debate between them Harris will have to split her visual attention 50/50 between the TV audience and Trump in the studio. I think the moderators did a very good job.

You can still post in it, you just need to scroll back through 5 pages to get to the latest posts.

For me I think it’s less about her being a “woman” for some voters - Economy and Security seem to be the big bug bears and have been for some time now - her perceived “liberal” stance won’t also go down well with some voters - would those currently fearful be more reassured around security of the country (border and foreign wars etc) if this was a male candidate - yeah I concede they probably would - but then again, that “male” candidate whomever they might have been, may not have been so successful in uniting the Democratic Party -so an element of swings and roundabouts - I think we are where we are now- Harris only task for me is to connect in some way with the undecided and swing voters .

I'm sure that will resonate with the 30-90year old voter-base, many of whom are proud parents… Unfortunately for Trump this will mobilise the 300m 8-25yo bracelet sharers who will hit voting booths in great numbers…