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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,248 ✭✭✭Sigma101


    Not too bad you think? You must have missed the bit where Trump said that the Democrats support abortions after birth, and are in favour of executing new-born babies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    And Trump meanwhile refused to say he wants Ukraine to win against their invaders so his allegiances are pretty clear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    I’m loving the Taylor Swift endorsement of Harris for president - I don’t think Harris can win this on her own (but she’s certainly doing a great job of trying)- but to get an endorsement from a mega icon of young female and LGBTQ music fans- that can’t be a bad thing. Get out there and vote young people - you’ve only yourselves to blame if you don’t


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/sep/11/donald-trump-kamala-harris-us-presidential-debate-reaction-news-updates



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,585 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    There wasn’t a lot to fact check with Harris as she didn’t tell any big lies unlike himself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,187 ✭✭✭Shoog


    That's what you defense of Trump has degraded down to. Good work.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,745 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    No he didn't, he said that 'everyone wanted roe vs wade overturned', he's even lying to the voters now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Trump also completely avoided the question as to why if he's so concerned about the border, did he kill the conservative border bill negotiated by Democrats and Conservative Republican James Lankford?

    He didn't answer at all. Because Trump doesn't have policy. Just grievance. And he needs the border to be broken.

    Even Trump himself admitted that he doesn't have any plans, only "a concept of a plan"!? Whatever that means. That statement would have been a death knell for any other presidential candidate. But of course Trump is graded on a curve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,035 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The rules, as I understood them, about no pens or writing paper seem to have been leniently applied as I saw Harris writing at her desk. The debaters muted mikes rule [to stop one from interrupting the other person] seems to have been ineffective but maybe that was due to the studio being small and enclosed and the Mods mikes might have picked up the debaters carrying voices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,947 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Mark McKinnon long time GOP strategist & advisor just made a suggestion on CNN that would likely IMO lead to a blue tsunami in the swing states.

    Taylor Swift to play a series of free concerts with admission being solely and simply proof of registration to vote regardless of partisan registration.

    It won't happen but, it would both explode GOP strategists brains and the growth in youth registration would cripple the GOP for multiple cycles. The MAGA & GOP strategy relies on a disengaged youth vote and on convincing boomers to vote for the nostalgic America that never existed outside of leave it to beaver!

    If, and it is a big if, the Dems can harness the youth vote and mobilise it? It is the 1st step in restoring a degree of hope for the future in the US, rather than vaingloriously seeking to live in their past.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    I thought she mostly did very well at staying on topic. If she got the first response to a question, she usually gave a direct answer or policy headline related to the question and the had time at the end most of the time to throw in a slightly related dig at Trump. Trump would then either respond to the dig, or rant about how immigrants were all being sent over by foreign governments because by that point he'd forgotten what the question was due to the closing dig from Harris.

    If Trump answered first there was possibly one line actually on the topic of the question, but then he reverted to the immigrants answer for pretty much everything. Harris then responded by answering the question in most cases, she did miss a couple of them and got dragged into responding to his rants, but most of the time she got back on topic, before throwing another dig back at him.

    Trump then was left to close by shouting over the hosts and he was let away with it and got additional rants about immigrants in.

    Think the only questions where Trump didn't default to it being the fault of immigrants was the January 6th/ would you do anything different and the question about racism which he blustered about denying that he said the things he said.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,764 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    And in what world do you live in that you think that a story, from a known liar, about people going around kidnapping pets to eat them is, on balance probably true?

    Surely the default is that it's probably false, at best a misunderstanding. But to think that it's probably true!

    I just can't understand why anyone would not openly laugh at the idea. At least until some actual information is given. And information from an under pressure and known liar is not really worth much



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Jeez, You just read the article title, interpreted it as Trump saying "Finish them off" and then posted it here. There's no hope debating anything with you.

    Had you even just read the subtitle, he is clearly saying to finish the tyrade against the gazan people as it is not looking good for Israel.

    The former president told an Israeli news outlet that images of destruction in Gaza were harming the country: “You’re losing a lot of the world.”

    But I guess I can't stop you from blindly reading anything.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    That was a masterstroke.

    The one topic which Trump was answering every question with rants about both before and after, and when it actually came up as a topic she managed to get him ranting about crowd sizes at rallys and Biden instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,194 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Really? He specifically condemns Putin and Netanyahu at his rallies? Like as a regular occurrence?

    Strange he doesn’t say it while on TV then, or that it doesn’t regularly pop up on social media.




  • Registered Users Posts: 311 ✭✭engineerws


    Only managed 12 minutes. Both awful, Trump very dismissive and has little of substance. Kamala Harris said nice things but came across as insincere with no real policies.

    As far as I see it, Trump will broker a peace in Ukraine, Kamala not interested in peace in Ukraine. Hard to know who would be worse in Israel, my guess is Kamala given her husband has come out as pro genocide but Trump's son in law is massively pro genocide too.

    Trump spreading xenophobia is not great. They probably need to do something to accommodate or moderate the current high level of immigration but Trump's approach is not diplomatic or presidential.

    Two dreadful candidates. Trump marginally better internationally and Kamala marginally better domestically.

    The USA is meant to be a democracy. A shame Jill Stein wasn't allowed to speak.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    The facts brought to you by our local Russian sympathiser. Great to see it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The above post is patent nonsense.

    Jill Stein. Would you grow up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,009 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Trump takes the bait a bit of immigration. But still focuses on the cluster **** that is the border. Harris doesnt really bat away the charge but instead goes after Trumps personal issue with the courts.

    Not really answering the question, but I guess her base will like it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,393 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    He must really regret debating Biden so early now.

    If it was Biden now, he’d have to stay on the ballot.

    I guess it’s a dog eat dog world in politics…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    That's some leap you made there. It's all over the media for the last week in case ye missed it. The swifties are a powerfull lobby ye know

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2024/09/10/taylor-swifts-brittany-mahomes-controversy-explained/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,585 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    How will Trump broker peace?

    What peace terms will Putin accept?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    This debate just showed Trump for the clown he Is.

    Hopefully More debates to come.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,568 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I just woke an hour ago, catching up with the thread.

    It's honestly hilarious how people think Trump possibly won that debate.

    From people denying clear reality, to others who must turn down their volume, or pop out to make a cup of tea when the moderators are fact checking Trumps bizarre notion that "They're eating dogs!". I mean, it could be true, but it categorically is not true. And then you have people declare after watching a whole 12 minutes that she has no policies (watch the damn thing before rushing to judgement!) and others who tuned in at the end offering an opinion.

    As someone else put it, much better than I...



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,393 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Today fm news opening with his quote on eating cats and dogs.

    Comes across as totally unhinged, I had a good giggle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,857 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    As far as I see it, Trump will broker a peace in Ukraine…

    …by threatening to withdraw all American military backing for Zelensky and thereby forcing him to concede to Putin the lands he has seized by force.

    Finished your sentence for you. You're welcome.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    How would Trump achieve peace between Ukraine/ Russia? Would this require Ukraine giving up territory, or Russia moving back home?

    Trump was directly asked if he wanted Ukraine to win, and he didn't answer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 311 ✭✭engineerws


    Pmed you, there is a separate thread for such discussion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,451 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Interesting. Just as a brief aside: I watched the debate live on Channel 4, could you say how you think the tv signals got from the US to Ireland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,745 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Widely reported by many news associations on it but seeing as how you didn't read the article let's try this question. During his tenure, preceding the Oct 7th attacks obviously, Trump moved the American embassy from tel aviv to Jerusalem? Do you think this quelled or inflamed the tensions there?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 311 ✭✭engineerws


    Who knows Putin's latest is the four regions in addition to Istanbul 2022 terms. The more they fight the worse the terms are for Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 311 ✭✭engineerws


    Oops



  • Registered Users Posts: 823 ✭✭✭Detritus70


    Now I know you're probably required to write that scutter, but c'mon.

    Even you must know that you're in a minority of none believing that nonsense. Because unless you're severely intellectually challenged or throw ketchup at the wall crazy, you don't believe that rubbish either. And you're even more deluded if you believe a single person here will actually buy this drivel.

    I give you the same advice Harrison Ford gave George Lucas. Say it out loud what you're typing. If it sounds ridiculous, it probably is.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,248 ✭✭✭Sigma101


    I'm afraid that if Haitians arrive here they'll eat my dog.

    But don't challenge me on it - there's a separate Pets forum for that discussion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,187 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Russia will keep on fighting until they reach their strategic objective or are defeated. Ukraine has no choice but to resist the occupational army. People in Europe's interests are with resisting a European aggressor.

    So no there is no real choice for Europe but to support Ukraine's resistance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭feelings


    I have colleagues in the US who believe that immigrants are doing exactly what Trump said. 🙄 He is their "god" and there is no swaying them away from the MAGA madness.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Right, enough of this nonsensical talk about both candidates being as bad as each other on here. Trump shills are properly gutted, and they should be.

    BUT! The most honest thing I read was a CNN headline which said, 'Harris won the debate, but it may not shape the election'.

    But lets look at some solid data. Polling conducted in the 12 hours since:

    Voters:

    Debate has not changed my vote: 82%

    Has changed some positions but not my vote: 14%

    May have changed my vote: 4%

    Who performed better:

    Harris 63% Trump 37%

    Who understands Americans' problems:

    Pre-debate Trump 43-39

    Post-debate Harris 44-40

    Who will better handle the economy:

    Trump 55-35, undecided 10%. This figure did NOT change post debate.

    Trump favourability:

    Viewed unfavourably by intending voters: 51

    Viewed favourably by intending voters: 39

    Also did NOT change post debate.

    Who will better improve medical care/costs for Americans:

    Harris 66-32

    The last national Poll by the New York Times, conducted btwn 3rd and 9th Sept shows Trump at 48, Harris at 47, margin of error 2.8%

    This Sunday coming will see a slew of new deep polling published, nationally and more importantly in the 10 or so States that are 'in play'.

    Thats when we'll know if this debate has moved the dial really at all, or whether momentum either way is changing for other factors....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,745 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Hope you corrected them and say that there's no verified reports on this happening



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,887 ✭✭✭SteM


    You'll have to excuse me if I the ignore opinion of someone that watches 12 minutes of a 90 minute debate and then tries to tell me what they did or didn't see.

    Post edited by SteM on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,857 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    They've even got a new chant

    Haitians, wherever they may be

    They eat dogs in other countries



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,585 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Thanks for that message.


    So Putin gets to keep the four regions is your peace plan.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,857 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    That poster's 'logic' appears to be it would be better for Ukraine if America forced them to accept Russia's seizure of the amount of land they currently occupy because if Ukraine fights on they will only end up losing more…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,617 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Both terrible candidates. No changes will come in relation to the US policy towards Israel.

    I presume Taylor Swift would give Trump her second preference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    While my hat is totally off to Harris in many respects, I personally don’t think she moved the dial too much on either the economy or security- the two big guns that Trump has led out on in previous polls - this has to change in the coming weeks along with speaking directly to, not lecturing at, the voters in the swing states .

    In terms of polls, I’m really hoping there’s an underlying unidentified wave of support for Harris thats impossible to uncover using the current polling system but will spring up come polling day- might be mad hoping for that but you can’t get a worse version of Trump than he is right now - and there’s unprecedented support for a democratic candidate from all sorts of places including the republicans themselves. I’m praying for red states turning blue - if she keeps concentrating on the voters that count now, she has a chance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,568 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Do you honestly think they're as "terrible" as each other?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,161 ✭✭✭✭everlast75




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,617 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    It does seem to annoy people whenever Harris or Biden were or are called terrible candidates. Why is that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,295 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The same kind of peace he 'brokered' in Afghanistan? Where he surrendered to the Taliban and released prisoners?
    That's no peace, that's surrender.

    If you care about the fate of Ukrainian civilians you would not want to leave them to the kind of peace Trump would have in store for them.

    But that's exactly what Trump would do.

    Trump isn't interested in peace. He isn't interested in Russia raping, murdering… when has he ever condemned any of Russia's atrocities or war crimes? Well? Because that isn't any kind of peace is it?

    But then, you couldn't expect a rapist to care about rapes could you?

    Trump is pro genocide and pro rape.
    Do you think the kind of guy who spreads racist drivel about immigrants "poisoning the blood of the nation" or eating pets cares a damn for peace in Ukraine?
    He just wants walk away and to leave his buddy Putin to carve it up. A little piece here, a little piece there, a piece of the action.

    Kamala Harris is not interested in that kind of 'peace'. Nor is Ukraine. Nor should they be.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,568 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I don't know. Why not answer the question I asked? Do you think Trump and Harris are equally terrible?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,617 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Only managed 12 minutes. Both awful, Trump very dismissive and has little of substance. Kamala Harris said nice things but came across as insincere with no real policies.

    Trump had absolutely nothing of substance.
    If Harris came across as insincere to you then that's just your take. Most seem to see her appearance differently to you.

    As far as I see it, Trump will broker a peace in Ukraine, Kamala not interested in peace in Ukraine. Hard to know who would be worse in Israel, my guess is Kamala given her husband has come out as pro genocide but Trump's son in law is massively pro genocide too.

    Trump's idea of a peace deal is to give Ukraine to Putin. He has no other plan for the country.
    Harris described how she has helped Ukraine both before and during the war.

    As for who would be worse in Israel, it hasn't been discussed. However, Trump definitley would be worse in Gaza (which is ont Israel despite Israel's actions!) having given his blessing to Netanyahu to carry on with his genocide.

    Harris has also condemned the slaughter of the innocent people in Gaza.

    Trump spreading xenophobia is not great. They probably need to do something to accommodate or moderate the current high level of immigration but Trump's approach is not diplomatic or presidential.

    Trump has shown his racist side on numerous occasions and also happily aligns with racist groups.
    His current presedential campaign has sunk to the level of questioning a black woman on whether she is black.
    There is no question on his xenophobia.

    Trump also encouraged measures to curb immigration in case Harris got the Kudos.

    Two dreadful candidates. Trump marginally better internationally and Kamala marginally better domestically.

    Trump is a laughing stock internationally and only blinkered followers would disagree with the idea that he is Putins lapdog. He would be a complete disaster both domestically and internationally. He is a cretin who has manage to fail upwards. He reduced the position of POTUS to one of sleaze and self-interest. He is a failed president and the world would be worse off if he somehow managed to get himself re-elected.

    On the flip side, Harris would be viewed as somehow tough but fair offering an intelligent perspective (especially when compared to someone whose only reading material is a McDonald's menu). Most would agree that having a woman of colour will help change bigoted mindsets around the world.

    The USA is meant to be a democracy. A shame Jill Stein wasn't allowed to speak.

    Agreed.



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