USA 2024 presidential election

Big time.

Belle here looks like she's about to put her fist through the camera. She hasn't spoke about Arlington yet. I suspect they're a military family.

it wouldn’t be the first time he’s disrespected the war dead, and it hasn’t seemed to dent his popularity Wih the Right.

I didn't see the full interview, but did see a clip of her being asked about Trump saying she 'became black' for political reasons.

Her response was outstanding. Just smiled, said nothing first but then said 'It's the same old tired playbook, next question!'.

The interviewer seemed taken aback that that was all she was going to get. I thought it was really excellent because it refused to let him dictate the terms of what their interactions are going to be. It's remarkable because we've seen so few people genuinely manage to do this over the last 9 years. Hopefully she'll continue in this way, if she does, only one of them will look Presidential.

Considering it’s just 3 people, it’s simple food for thought than anything - main theme emerging seems to be around Harris needing to outline her policies for those undecided as well as being seen in action without teleprompter - the debate should help with that.
However I’m getting the impression than those “undecided” people are simply making up excuses - it’s possible they simply just don’t want to vote for Harris and regardless of how well she performs or regardless of what she says she’ll do when in office or regardless of how well she handles Trump, they’ll find an excuse.

I’m predicting a rise in 3rd party candidate votes for this election - there will be Republicans who just won’t want to vote Democrat but don’t want Trump either - given their “principles” they can probably find a 3rd party candidate they can reconcile with.

On another note, regardless of poll gains by Harris in key swing states, Trump leads significantly on the area of economy and border security- the economy lead is what would concern most in my view-the Debate may change this or more importantly needs to change this

“Despite Harris' gains, Trump continues to hold strong in areas that are particularly important to voters. He leads Harris on the economy and inflation by 8 points each and has a 9-point advantage on handling the US-Mexico border. These issues are expected to play a critical role as the election nears. As reported by The Wall Street Journal, these areas of strength give Trump a solid base, even as he trails in overall polling numbers.”

https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/world-news/us-presidential-election-2024-new-polls-show-vp-kamala-harris-outpacing-donald-trump-in-key-states/amp_articleshow/112978787.cms

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgky2v681z4o.amp

I think the problem with the muted mics is twofold:

1. It helps Trump look more Presidential to the viewers at home
2. Harris will still be able to hear him if he tries to talk over her (even if the viewers cannot)

The Dems tried to boot Jill Stein of ballots tbf, so yeah neither side are going to be angels on this.

Welcome to US politics.

Trump is near 80 and his brain is made of mush, if she can't do what is needed in a 2 hour debate then unfortunately no sympathy for her whatsoever. Trump has had 7 presidential debates, he obviously won v Biden and lost the other 6 handily, no reason to believe anybody under 70 who is coherent won't handle him easily.

I posted on the Trump thread today about undecided voters - I probably have a bit more of understanding about them now well at least some of them -poor, forgotten by politicians and not a lot to look forward to- I “understand’ why Trump may appeal to them - they’ve feic all left to lose poor sods- “saving America from Trump” just doesn’t register on their radar at all and I think it would be pointless going that route with them - in fact the opposite will likely happen - whatever promises empty or otherwise, Harris has to offer -she better choose the right ones that resonate with these people - otherwise they’re not going to listen

I see it in listings for CNN Europe, Sky News and Channel 4.

I say it will be easy to find on youtube as well.

I was thinking earlier and tbf its been alluded to by others, Harris and Waltz not doing interviews does seem like a small own goal. Waltz especially has a lot of charisma so he should be much more visible.

Harris has an interesting back story which plenty of people would like and has some charisma so their is no reason for her to be dodging interviews.

They don't need to go on Fox, but some soft interviews would do her no harm and tbf very few politicians stray outside their comfort zone these days anyway.

Before the usual "Trump~" line yeah he's not been much better , popping up on Hannity ffs . I do think the gamble of popping up on podcasts is interesting whether it will translate to real votes who knows. It didn't really work that well for Yang or Vivek but Trump obviously has a bigger profile.

Oddly enough Vance out of the 4 has probably been the bravest in going on interviews with which his base would be considered enemy territory early on and seems content to take questions everywhere. The obvious downside for JD though is its all to late, the Dems nuked him early with all the stupid **** he has said over the years.

I had a look at the polls of the swing states (the important ones) and oof… It has NOT been a good week for the Harris/Walz ticket.

In alphabetical order…

Trump takes the slimmest of leads of .4% in the battleground state of Arizona, which has 11 electoral college votes. on the 31st August, Harris had a .3% lead, so that's a swing for Trump of .7%

Next up…

Interestingly, both candidates increased their leads in Georgia this week. Trump increased his share from 45.8 to 46.1, a .3% swing , and Harris maintains her slim lead with a .2% rise from 46.3% last week. It's going to be a neck and neck race in Georgia, with it's 16 electoral college votes.

Next up:

Gretchen Whitmers' Michigan with 15 Electoral College votes. I'll be honest, I'll be surprised if Michigan turns red on Nov 5th, but Trump is catching up. His share increased by .7% from 44.1%, whereas Harris has only gained .1% in the week, up from 46.6%. While she still leads in this poll by 1.9%, last week, it was 2.4%…

Up next:

Nevada with 6 EC votes. Harris' lead has fallen from .7% to .5%. She went up .2% from 45.7%, but Trump has increased his share by .4%, from 45% last week. This can go either way.

Next up:

North Carolina with 16 EC votes. More bad news for Harris here as Trump increases his slim advantage of .3% last week, to .8% this week. Trump increased his share from 46.1% by .6%, while Harris has only increased .1% from 45.8% last week.

Next up:

Arguably the most important swing state, Pennsylvania comes with 19 EC votes. And it is yet further bad news for Harris as her lead shrinks from 1.2% to .6%. That's a 50% drop. Ouch. Last week she was polling at 46.2%, so has gained .2% while Trump has increased his polling by .8% from 45% last week. I think this one will hurt the most as she has been based in this state the past week, so would expect a small bump, or at least maintaining her lead over Trump.

Lastly:

Wisconsin, with 10 EC votes. Last week, Harris had a solid lead of 3.2% over Trump, which has been shorted by .5%. She has remained steady, gaining a single .1%, while Trump has increased his share by .7% from 44.2% last week. I'm still going to surprised if Trump wins Wisconsin this year. He won it in 2016, lost it by .63% to Biden in 2020 (a mere 20,000 votes!) but 2016 Trump is very different from 2024 Trump. I expect HArris will win this by .75% or more.

Conclusions:

OOF…

Tough week for Democrats, and Republicans will think that the wind has finally changed in their direction. Part of the reason may be RFK voters making up their minds and stopping sulking. I don't think Trump got quite the bump he was hoping for, but it might slowly be getting there. I think Democrats will know how vitally important the debate on Tuesday is. Harris has everything to do. All the pressure is on her in the debate. Trump will do the only thing he knows how to do well, which is play the character of Donald Trump. I fully expect to see an enraged Trump at one stage of the debate, and hopefully(!) a strong, resolute performance from Harris.

I lost a lot of respect for Nate Silver once I found out about the Peter Thiel connection.

They're interviewed by Dana Bash

Over the past week I watched "The Loudest Voice" which is a mini-series depicting Roger Ailes's time at Fox News. Great cast, storyline and acting and I'd imagine anyone with an interest in American politics would find it fascinating.

When watching it the saying that "Trump is the symptom, not the cause" really rings true. Ailes was poisoning the well with middle American right from the start of that channel in 1995.

If the show is accurate then Donald Trump as a plausible presidential candidate was entirely the creation of Ailes. Among other things they had Ailes:

• Convincing Trump to actually run in the first place and not just pretend to do so to get media attention
• Advising Trump on his announcement, specifically on hiring out of work actors to fill the lobby and enthusiastically cheer him as he came down the escalator and made his announcement speech
• Gave him disproportionate coverage on Fox News during the Republican primary, which the Murdoch family specifically ordered him not to do
• Went to bat for Trump and brokered a truce when Trump specifically attacked Fox News and Megyn Kelly after the first debate.
• Advised the Trump campaign on set design and his acceptance speech during the Republican National Convention

The show is available to stream on the RTE Player for anyone else who's interested in watching it

So yeah the debate as I said elsewhere you can't really win these things but you can lose them and well Trump did. I can't believe how easy it was though, he's in a good place in the polls but Harris just baited him so easily, the most embarrassing moment was early on the immigration question something which the Republicans lead on and he was rambling about crowd sizes. The abortion question where tbf on the moderators they did throw him a lifeline when suggesting he would veto any abortion ban which is sensible politics he threw everyone under the bus including his VP.

Harris should do the Fox debate, so no excuses about biased moderators etc. It would be moderated by Brett Baier/Martha MacCullum who will obviously have their biases but they have shown they are as fair as any moderator about. Their is nothing for her to fear from this guy whatsoever.

Just watched the debate and we'll...... Trump absolutely blew it, Two hours of him rambling, lying and repeating his same tired soundbites.

Harris was smart from the get go predicting he would do this and reminding people as the debate went on that he is doing exactly what she said he would do.

Can honestly see him refusing any more debates claiming he doesn't need to do any more as he did so well last night.

Which one appeared more presidential?

That's the main point of these debates.

Was it the guy who rambled about immigrants eating their dogs, who's 9 year health care plan is in the "concept of a plan" stage, who's convinced that some states allow post birth murder or the woman who didn't say any of that crazy hoopla?

Well... To be completely fair and subjective Trump didn't accuse immigrants of eating pets. He said somebody in Springfield Ohio told him this information. The fact that hearsay is one of Trump's points does raise questions about his suitability as president mind…

In fairness the stupidity of this man is comical and actually a joy to watch from an entertainment perspective

Harris didn't misrepresent anything.

Trump's both sides comment was racist dog whistling.
There were no fine people at that rally, there were just racists in a mob.
Such weasel words were intended to give cover to the racists.

Bear in mind since then - this is not an exhaustive list:

Said that illegal immigrants were poisoning the blood of the nation.

Implied that illegal immigrants are going around eating pets.

Tweeted memes showing immigrants as people of colour - no light skinned faces- as destroying neighbourhoods.

So what are the chances Trump wasn't actually dog whistling support to racists?

Zero.

It was racist dog whistling from a racist and Kamala Harris is entirely justified is putting that in the spotlight.

There's a twitter account called New York Times Pitchbot that specialises in coming up with ridiculous bad-faith false equivalencies (the types that are typically used by certain NYT op-ed writers who want to drive engagement). The above post could have come straight from one of their tweets.

That's a very typical and telling response.

"Unless any post that says something negative or uncomplimentary to Harris, you are a Trump supporter"

I don't support any candidate in this race. I am interested in it though, hence why I am commenting on it.

If I was american, I wouldn't be able to confidently say that either represents me. But according to you, my assertion that I don't like either candidate is supporting Trump.

This is why conversation is impossible.

I thought the Politics forum would have less of this bulls**t than the Current Affairs thread but I've been proven wrong.

Thanks for that. Will do.

The only reason I didn't engage in converation on that forum (and now this one) was because any criticism of Harris resulted in having to respond to multiple posters who were quite hostile and I was being accused of trolling.

It's a little unfair I think. Trump is a **** moron but that has been stated over and over again by multiple posters, but I see little criticism of Harris who is also flawed. And as someone without a vote or a dog in the fight, I thought I would be able to talk about it.

I did think the Politics forum would be a better place to post but if I am being viewed as trolling then I'll step aside. I'm not here for arguments but discussion but if thats not possible, that's fine.

I do appreciate your gentle warning though rather than just thinking the worst of me.

Thanks again.