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Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    The irony and lack of self-awareness about saying "NEVER AGAIN" about a historical event while gleefully supporting and cheering on it's modern equivalent unfolding in realtime before your eyes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    Never again Tom?

    Sure it wasn't the "jihadi rapists" who did it first time? It was the same fellas who are doing it again; western white dudes. I mean the German's are front and centre. They've a pretty **** track record at not-not facilitating mass killing. The "jihadi rapists" had nothing to do with the Holocaust.

    I suppose you've no interest to know that OP has been weaponizing that since the beginning of its existence:

    https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/israels-rape-entitlement-stems-from-its-foundation-18198981

    Oh and they're glorifying the fellas doing it there.

    https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/09/01/732447/Ben-Shitrit-s-views-unmask-moral-decay-within-Zionist-circles

    Put up some examples of the "jihadi rapists" and I'll roundly condemn them. Will you do the same with the above?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,253 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Victim blaming much, and highly likely racially motivated as well.
    she traveled to the west bank which is not israel, to protest the illegal occupation of that area and all other areas outside israel that are not and never will be israel, which are in fact another states land.
    she was both a peace activist and innocent civilian, she got in no clash but was simply slaughtered by a force which has a similar mentality to isis in terms of their extremist beliefs.
    so nope wrong, not play stupid games win stupid prizes, as the game was not stupid.
    this will stop, slowly but surely the people of the world are turning away from israel because they have had enough of the hypocracy, the excuses and lies from it's government and spokes people.
    not to mention the feeling of it having a special status where it can do whatever it likes and there will be no consequences.
    it is only the politicians keeping this whole issue going.
    and lets be clear, the IDF are just as bad as any gihadi group, they are just as capable of, and have been doing and are, slaughtering left right and centre in the name of religion and self entitlement.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,160 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Grim indeed if this comes to pass

    "Israel is entering the second phase of its war in Gaza, when it will strive to complete its takeover of the northern Gaza Strip from the previous border to the Netzarim corridor. We can predict that this area will then gradually be made available for Jewish settlement and annexation to Israel, according to the degree of international outcry that such steps might incur."

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-09-09/ty-article/.premium/annexation-expulsion-and-settlements-netanyahu-gears-up-for-next-phase-of-gaza-war/00000191-d739-dba7-a1ff-dfff26830000



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,927 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    We knew this was coming especially with them paving a road across gaza a few months ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,645 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I'm totally amazed how people still believe that all this began on Oct 7th and that Israel is the good guy. I'm also beginning to believe that much of it is blatant anti-Muslim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭PeggyShippen


    It did start on October 7th. That's when this current war started . The Islamists in Gaza broke into Israel and started murdering and raping.

    Its good to see that road being built in Gaza to help control it. Philadelphia corridor has to be controlled aswell .

    Interesting study and report sent into Tim Davie about the anti Israel Bias in the BBC. It's all there as plain as day. Downplaying Hamas and October 7th.. Wild accusations against Israel. It's all coming out and the BBC will be held somewhat to account. Its presenters and international editor Jeremy Bowen have been heavily criticised for being biased.

    RTE is much more Anti Israel. Will a similar report be done? Is it's editorial team held to account. Irish media has to be the most hostile anti Israel media in Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,927 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Wild accusations against Israel

    What wild accusations

    I bet the BBC are also anti-Nazi, too, so them being slanted against Israel's war crimes for instance neither shocks me or would be indicative of a lack of ethical reporting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,253 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    it didn't start on october 7th

    this current "war" as in genocide is part of the ongoing genocide of the palestinian territories.

    the islamists simply walked across the border to commit their disgraceful attack which is no justification for the gazan and west bank genocides

    israel were aware the attacks were coming and did not secure the borders for whatever reason.

    gaza will never be controlled thankfully

    israel will eventually be forced out of it and the west bank as the current crop of enablers won't be around forever.

    there is no anti-israel bias in the BBC

    the BBC are just stating the fact that israel is a racist

    same for irish media

    simply stating the facts about israel.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Being critical of a state committing war crimes is the right and ethical thing to do. Fair play to RTE for not falling for Israeli state propaganda

    The Russian ambassador to Ireland feels the same way about RTE by the way . You are in good company Peggy.

    I suspect you dont have a problem with RTE being critical of Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭PeggyShippen


    It's the national broadcasters job to be impartial and report the facts. The BBC and RTE are packed full of anti Israel journalists. Youd have to turn on American news or German news to get the 'other ' side. Where's Dana Elrich.. they used to pretend to be balanced and bring her on occasionally. She's a great ambassador. Very fair and tries to explain to Ireland that backing the Jihadists is not the right thing to do. Ireland can't really be that worried about civilians because there was very little said about the Syrian civilians or the Yemeni civilians. It's all anti Israel stuff.

    October 7th was the war crime . The murder,rape and burnings. The only issue I can see that the Israelis are doing differently is hitting terrorists when they are embedded among civilians. That in itself is not a war crime if the military goal can be shown to be greater than the loss of civilian life . Hard to prove that. So if 5 Hamas planners are in among 40 or 50 civilians then they can be all neutralised if there is evidence that the Palestinian terrorists were planning or about to execute something big.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,927 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭PeggyShippen


    The wild accusations that Israel is committing 'genocide' everytime civilians get killed in Gaza. That's as Wild as it gets and it's not correct .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭taratee


    This current war started on October 7th. Hamas broke into Israel on that date and they murdered and raped innocent Israelis. Still can't wrap my head around the level of support that we are seeing for Hamas in this country. Makes absolutely no sense to me.

    Am Yisrael Chai



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    https://news.sky.com/story/middle-east-latest-israel-strike-protests-netanyahu-gaza-live-updates-12978800

    Sky News being very Anti-Israel today highlighting that OP attacked a refugee camp near Khan Younis. Entire families have been blown to bits in a strike that left a crater 3m deep. 40 dead and 60 injured.

    Given that north of 80% of them are Hamas supporters, this must make at least 32 dead terrorists including some of those terrorist toddlers.

    On a related note, saw footage of a man yesterday putting cloth into the skull of a terrorist toddler to keep it together for burial as its brain had been blown out, obviously can't post that here.

    The toddler was alleged to have been "killed" but the perpetrators haven't been named I don't think. Hopefully the moral IOF can get to the bottom of it and hold them accountable whoever it was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    That is what the national broadcaster is doing. You would prefer it whitewash Israeli crimes. You can keep trying to pedal the canard that they are not, but it was you who justified ethnic cleansing in the West Bank on the basis of self defense. Yet at the same time bemoan Israelis being forced from their homes in Northern Israel. So therefore everything is permissable in the name of self defense going by your logic. Yet if this doctrine was applied to Israel you would soon change your tune.

    Israeli war crimes have been well documented over the years by international and Israeli human rights groups.

    Be consistent condemn violence and rape no matter who does it, Peggy. As you know the IDF was founded by Irgun terrorists who used rape as a weapon of war. So it didn't start with Hamas. Don't put your fingers in yours ear and crib about organisations stating the facts about these things.



  • Registered Users Posts: 195 ✭✭WEST


    No one is supporting Hamas, the killing of innocent Palestinians is the issue but I'm sure you know that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,645 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    No it started 75 years ago. Land grabbing in the WB did not start on Oct 7th. Murdering and interning innocent people did not start on Oct 7th. Treating Palestinians like s*** did not start on Oct 7th. If there is a media bias anywhere (and I haven't seen it) then it's fully deserved. Israel is a pariah state.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,645 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    No it didn't start on Oct 7th. It escalated then but it started 75 years ago. Israel has always treated the Palestinians in a shocking way. Israel has shown that it has no shame and no depts it won't descent to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    In the interests of balance, it must of course be stated that the ratio of civilians to soldiers/security/police killed on October 7th must have been a lot lower than the so-called civilised IDF's subsequent genocide. That's even before you get to deducting the Israeli civilians the IDF themselves killed under their Hannibal directive.

    But anyway, continue establishing that it is ok to "neutralise" civilians if they are among "planners" or whatever. As long as you apply it consistently then people won't call you a hypocrite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Yes, we would likely see Peggy's double standards on display if another country killed scores of Israeli civilians while striking IDF military facilities in Tel Aviv in what they claimed was preemptive self defense.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    It is genocide - The Israelis are deliberately targeting civilians.

    I highly doubt there was a hamas "command centre" in that tented area that was bombed last night - always seems to be Israels excuse - there was a command centre, there was a 5 year old hamas commander , the 2 day old twins were launching missiles at Israel etc etc.

    Its getting old at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,927 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    they are though.

    Is the Holocaust memorial museums definition of genocide too broad for your liking?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭chewed


    As long as the ratio of killing is 50:1, it's all fine. (50 being innocent/women/children and 1 being Hamas)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,386 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Show me a report on the RTE website that has a single lie in it. Seriously, anything at all. They're reporting facts. Same goes for BBC. Show me where it's lying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,645 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    What has happened to the thread?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,343 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Thread broken again it seems



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭chewed


    What's happened to this thread? All the posts are blank!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    A couple of good jokes I heard recently: " "We are fully confident in the Israeli investigation "

    Well Joe is in cognitive decline so maybe he has forgotten how previous IDF investigations tend to go

    Another one:

    A highly trained sniper "indirectly and unintentionally shot the woman"

    Just as snipers "unintentionally" shot dead numerous people from civilians to journalists over the years.

    I suppose it's easier for the apologists to believe this than accept the truth that trigger happy soliders are nearly always never held to account. Still do believe we our the most moral and accountable army.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭taratee


    Looks like an issue with the pagination. I am seeing 1277 pages but page 1266 is the last page with posts.

    Am Yisrael Chai



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,725 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    ..........



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    If you go back about 11 pages in the thread you will be able to see the latest posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    If an Israeli walks up to you and starts punching you in the face. please don't make any wild accusations against them if you call the Gardai, such as explaining that the Israeli is punching you in the face.

    "wild accusation" = "refusing to blindly swallow zionist blatant gaslighting attemtps"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Let's all play that game Peggy.

    This current genocide all started on 13th October when the zionists began a nonsensical ground offensive against civilians in Gaza. Since then, the murdering and destruction has been as total as the zionists have been able to make it. Of course, with their usual gaslighting, they knowingly lied that it would be over within a week or so. Anyone who is murdered or maimed by their so called precision smart weapons can be retroactively designated as a "terrorist" or else that there was a rumour that a terrorist was nearby. Which ultimately won't matter as the targets are already dead or maimed and nobody will be either bringing them back or holding the genocide perpetrators to account.

    October 13th. We can all play that game of pretend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,645 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Still not seeing the posts here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,725 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Borked again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭TheRepentent


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/18/un-general-assembly-resolution-israel-occupied-palestinian-territories

    The land thieves still unpopular .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,927 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Israel: bbbut Hamas throws people off rooftops for being ghey

    IDF: lets throw Palestinians off rooftops for being Palestinian

    https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1fkp5s5/idf_throwing_palestinian_off_a_roof_in_west_bank/



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,705 ✭✭✭obi604


    silly q time. So the whole waklie talkie and pager scenario……..inside each device there was some kind of explosive and this explosive was detonated at roughly the same time (first day was pager, then walk or talkie) How was the signal for detonation done?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 930 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1fn8mk4/israeli_settlers_go_on_a_boat_tour_to_watch_the/

    Pleasure cruises to watch the destruction of Gaza.

    Same as in 2014.

    https://archive.ph/3fCds



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Luna84


    It's mad how Israel calls all it neighbouring countries terrorists while all you have to do is look at the numbers. Which terrorist in the area killed and wounded more civilians it may come as a shock to some of you but the actual terrorist state is Israel they have killed and wounded more civilians than any state or so called terrorist organisation and it's not just by a small bit their numbers of deaths and wounded civilians is astronomical. It's like comparing the population of England to Ireland that is how far the numbers are in difference.

    Edit: Also this isn't just recently this has been the case since the start of their so called state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭cichlid child


    I cant see any posts. tried everything about loading 1st message, and going back 10 pages etc. Nothing wofrks and its in a few threads



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,160 ✭✭✭Odhinn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,389 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Netenyahu to Lebanese civilians: "We're not trying to kill you, we're just trying to blow up the weapons of mass destruction you are hiding in your living rooms" 👍️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,645 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I'd say the Yanks did it for their Zionist buddies.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,160 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Maith an fear, Mickey D.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/09/23/president-higgins-says-he-has-no-regrets-about-his-comments-about-israeli-embassy-circulating-letter/



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,796 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    I knew the big escalation would come eventually, but I didn't think it would come directly from Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Luna84


    They don't give a f**k about civilians. How anybody supports them is beyond me. A terrorist nation built from the core is all they are.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,160 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    So much for trying to prevent a regional conflict -

    "Israel’s military chief has told troops that extensive air strikes in Lebanon targeting the armed group Hezbollah could pave the way for them to “enter enemy territory”.

    "You hear the jets overhead; we have been striking all day. This is both to prepare the ground for your possible entry and to continue degrading Hezbollah," Lt Gen Herzi Halevi said."

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8xe8nkj9wyo



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