USA 2024 presidential election

Borked again ffs

Yeah. Its absolutely appalling that the objectively terrible candidate is roughly 50% likely to win the election.

There are some very deeply seeded flaws in America right now.

When did Trump openly praise white supremacists?

If you'd left it as "its effective coin toss" or "too close to call" or "as close to 50/50 as makes no difference" that would have been fine.

But saying it's exactly 50% (and hell, you underlined exactly) is the sort of statement which is going to get pulled up by the nerdy maths people and statisticians among us (of which I count myself a proud member). The chances of it being exactly 50.000000% at any time are very very small.

Hope that Harris wins because at least she isnt totally unhinged and wont be totally led by the nose by putin etc.

Gas ( sad) part of it is - had Biden said months ago that he wasnt standing DEMS would have a better, more popular canidate and would win by a decent margine.

Likewise had the GOP done the right thing and got rid of trump after jan 6 and gone away from the MAGA crowd they would probably win all 3 .

So the world is stuck with either trump or harris with the latter being the better of a poor choice.

That is not true though is it. Even hard core anti trump people have pointed that out at this stage.

And again you are showing your ignorance.

He didn't say it at another time.

"I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally – but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats – you had a lot of bad people in the other group too"

It was in the same breath.

So the assertion that he "praised white supremacists" when he SPECIFICALLY condemned them is false.

When there is so much to legitimately criticise Trump for, why do people insist on making up ****? It totally undercuts your credibility.

Jesus. When he said he would be a dictator on day one, it was an obviously tongue in cheek remark. But you have people claiming that it is an admission that he would be an actual dictator.

It's absolutely crazy how some people willingly misrepresent things he says when there are countless genuine concerns and things that are egregious about the man.

Bizarre behaviour.

It would be like someone claiming that Biden definitely questions the legitimacy of people's race when he said "if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black"

The Snopes fact check on this even clarifies:

 For the record, virtually every source that covered the Unite the Right debacle concluded that it was conceived of, led by and attended by white supremacists, and that therefore Trump's characterization was wrong. 

The only person making stuff up is Trump, by pretending that there were fine people on both sides there that day.

There were not.

One side was a racist mob, pure and simple.

Therefore, de facto, Trump was openly praising white supremacists by implying some of them were fine people.

It is Trump giving cover to a racist mob.

You have been duped by Trump's lies and racist dog whistling.

Trump is a racist, who has, during the current campaign come out with stuff about immigrants poisoning the blood of the nation, eating pets, and similar race baiting memes.

So why would someone go to these lengths today to defend him on the semantics of what exactly he may or may not have intended to mean in 2017?

It doesn't make any sense does it?

It was like the posters trying to excuse stuff from Trump like grab them by the pussy… that it didn't mean Trump is a sexual predator, he was just joking … and then we had Trump established as a rapist by a court of law.

Why do people go to these lengths to make excuses for Trump?

He is not just joking. He is revealing himself and people don't seem to be able to handle the truth and so resort to excuse making.

That never do the same for any other politicians at home or abroad.

The man is a buffoon. Why are you going to bat for him in post after post?

He tried to steal the last election… so yes, when he dog whistles about being a dictator alarm bells go off.

You could add your own detailed criticisms of … well these are the things I see he has done that are not benign, this is why he is not a fit and proper person to be President.

But you never do, do you?

Instead it is post after post defending the semantics of this point or that point defending Trump.

When have you ever posted an unprompted criticism of Trump, or defence of a Democrat or public figure against one of his baseless scurrilous attacks?
So you are not doing so from some commitment, equally applied to both sides, to a high standard of proof for claims.

For someone who claims not to have skin in the game, your posts create the entirely contrary impression.

No. They know that democracy will still be there in 4 years after Trump.

There was the practicality of the nomination sown up by Biden early on. His being bounced out and Harris being anointed by the leadership, so there was also no chance of the party members deciding in an open contest.

Me fighting in a heavyweight boxing world championship is a 1vs1. Does not mean that I have a 50% chance.

One of us will win but it's not 50% split

I wouldn't be trusting that.

I think Irish people just have more of a sense of humour when it comes to Trump. Something missed by the very Trump serious posters here for the past 10 years.

But no time for humour when democracy is at stake, apparently.

I suspect many of the serious posters here find nothing funny.