Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

Ah come on, this is just arguing over semantics, and I’m not going to go into a forensic discussion no matter how much you want to. I’ve better things to do with my time.

The bottom line is that the daa mucked up spectacularly here by not challenging this daft restriction sooner or lodging a new application earlier. They didn’t and that’s why we are where we are.

I tend to agree with lxFlyer here , DAA sat on their bums. Very like what happened with the security screening, didnt do anything until the system was completely overloaded and then responded with "but how could we have known ? "

I’m sorry, but enforcing planning decisions is implementing the law of the land.

We can argue the rights and wrongs of the decision till the cows come home, but there were and are proper legal channels for daa to challenge this decision, and they didn’t avail of them.

New legislation won’t solve this issue, but legislation removing planning decisions regarding critical national infrastructure from local authorities might stop it happening again.

why? None of these issues are down to him? He’s in the role of daa CEO just over a year and a half. The daa lodged the infrastructure application under him after 9 or so months.

they daa aren’t threatening anything. They’ve stated after exhausting all the options available to them they are likely to breach the cap as there’s so much demand out there.

They’ve took all action in their power to comply with the cap and I’ve previously discussed these with you a number of posts back. I’m sure Kenny Jacobs will be fine.

Yet again we’re going round in circles with you in this debate. Are you the man that pays for those ridiculous adverts on X giving out about the cap and the flight paths 😂

i think everyone is forgetting how officialdom in Ireland handled the covid pandemic. Many government departments treated it like a never ending go slow, bought into the fear and believed aviation and life in general would never return to normal. For over 2 years, covid was used as an excuse for delays, people using working from home guidelines to get out of doing site visits, just a general slowdown in how things were planned and some people thought there wouldnt be any return to pre pandemic levels of gatherings or movement of people, let alone for things to get busier. We are still suffering the effects of that backlog.

Is this good enough for you?

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/2024/09/12/daa-statement-re-the-iaa%27s-draft-decision-on-dublin-airport-s-summer-2025-capacity

As a public body they more or less have to follow what the IAA decides, even if it is unpalatable. However they are taking issue with the restriction and the IAA draft plan. Case due for the High Court on Dec 3rd

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/2024/09/12/daa-statement-re-the-iaa%27s-draft-decision-on-dublin-airport-s-summer-2025-capacity

I’m sure a lot of people can’t understand how a county council have some much power of something that effects the nation.

Perhaps they thought that the public authorities were actually reasonable? You shouldn't have to go to court to have transit passengers excluded and that might allow a breathing space to allow proper consideration of the issues.

Nope. Nor low flying planes either until the DAA decided to veer off the flight path they got planning for.

Especially as a parallel runway has been planned since the 60s.

You still don't seem to understand the problem though so this will explain it better than me: https://youtu.be/v6pCTfXS0Cw

You've made your position quite clear but you can at least stop scratching your head asking why FCC are being so mean to poor Dublin airport. You've got one reason right there. 👍

There is an unbelievable amount of inaccuracies in that video and has not been taken seriously by anyone in the industry as a result. For example none of the routes they claimed could work were carried out in the required conditions. Worst case scenarios for both weather and aircraft failures plus a margin on top as required by European EASA regulations.

Also I suggest you understand the difference between the daa, Air Nav and the IAA. All bodies are responsible for different aspects of aviation in this Country. Air Nav are responsible for the flight paths.

When a minister says he thinks Weston could be a potential alternative for commercial traffic, all credibility is lost. My jaw is still on the ground with how little knowledge he has of this industry and how it works. It's scary.

Produce some evidence that there are relevant experts in FCC.

Have You? I’ve asked you the following on the last page:

let me ask you this:

Are you okay with the same or similar number of flights in the air if they are landing in other airports aside from DUB?

I’m still waiting for an answer, unless I have missed it & if I did, I apologise.

No need to apologize. I meant to reply but got distracted. I have said this before, but yes I would be happier if flights were spread out over the other regional airports. I know people on here say that won't happen, but the transport Ministers and DOT think it will, which is good enough for me. One of the reasons I think this is necessary is that it will lessen the localized environmental impact on Dublin, including noise pollution which is a particular bug-bear of mine. Any time I bring this up, people either say it's not a problem (which it is) or talk about farming being worse (yes, but we we're not talking about increasing herd numbers or whatever).

When people discuss Shannon I really wish people would stop bringing up the Shannon stopover. That's not what people are looking for. Just more choice and make it easier to use the regional airports. Unless you drive it's difficult to get to Shannon unless you live in Limerick or Galway city. Only recently a 24/7 bus was announced from Limerick city. However any other parts of the mid west and west it's difficult getting to Shannon by public transport. Here in Nenagh it's a lot easier to get a bus to Dublin airport than TO Shannon down the road. Coming from Kerry there should be a regular bus serving Tralee, newscaster west etc all towns with large populations. No need to rail yet even just a better bus service would do to meet the timings of flights particularly from Shannon. Take Bermingham Shannon for example. If you want to go for a weekend t. The flight doesn't leave Friday night til 23.50 and returns Sunday at 13.50. A flight at 23.50 isn't attractive to many. There was q few attempts to run Shannon Liverpool in recent years the reason it failed was the timings were awful

I'm sure the public transport situation also applies for Cork airport. I love using either Shannon or Cork I'm lucky I can drive and when using Cork I've the option of leaving the car at a friend's house close by. It's not just down to airlines putting routes in these airport, it's a collective effort from various parties to make them an easier user experience. Getting some of these right could help the regionals complement Dublin Airport, allowing Dublin to attrsct new long hauls that wouldnt have a hope in hell of been successful from anywhere else in the country.

Cork to hand it to them have been v effective in attracting airlines other than ryanair, airlingus. Shannon seems lazy in their efforts even the marketing of existing routes which is a frustrating to many of us in the midwest.

Cork is generally very good, but up until recent, a lot of their advertising boards for Ryanair were for routes that don't exist anymore.

There's actually probably not 🤣🤣🤣 time and time again politicians, planners and other civil servants have proved they are absolutely unemployable in the private sector

I think most people would like to see Shannon and Cork airports expand with new routes and would be in favour of making them more attractive and easier to access.

However, they are not the answer to the passenger cap at Dublin, and to put it simply, you can’t artificially and forcefully move demand to the other side of the country, away from the capital city. That is the Shannon stop over metaphor posters are referring to. It hasn’t worked before and it won’t work now.

By all means improve the airports, cater for the true growing demand in each airport, but at the end of the day it’s up to the airlines where the base their aircraft and they have repeatedly said Shannon and Cork aren’t the answer to the cap in Dublin.

If Shannon wants to grow as a Ryanair base, it needs to be able to make flights at awkward times work, Ryanair aren’t going to leave a plane idle in Shannon on a Friday evening just because they could fill it on the Friday morning run going to Faro. They’ll move it somewhere else that can fill the plane morning, noon and night, in February or August.

First published in 2015 actually… so an extra 3 years for them to see

I know 2 people working in department that take the absolute piss, that's all I need 🤣🤣