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Currently buying/selling a house? How is it going? READ MOD NOTE POST #1

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,852 ✭✭✭This is it


    I'm not sure when they claim it, but what you can claim is based on when the contracts are signed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭DataDude


    Not particularly common in Ireland. Usually only when bidding has been really drawn out (500 and 1k increments will do that).

    Theres no right answer. It’s guesswork and the conundrum you face is exactly what the seller is seeking to create.

    Only advice id have is, if you really want the house, in 2 years you will barely remember what you paid for it and definitely won’t care than you could potentially have got it for a few k less. If you go low and miss out against a price you’d be happy to pay, you could regret that for a long time. All depends how badly you want it.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,625 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Yeah the other bidder has been dragging it out in €500 increments. I've been raising it by several K here and there and they just stick on €500 onto what I've been bidding. Very frustrating. Thankfully I do have a good bit of budget left and I agree, I'd rather have it than miss out on it later. Plus, 10k is only 5 months rent...



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,322 ✭✭✭hometruths


    I'd agree with DataDude, if you really want this housego as high as you're personally prepared to go here to buy it and don't fret about trying to be marginally ahead of the other bidder.

    I think if I was a seller in that situation, and one bidder had been bidding up in meaningful increments, only to be outbid by €500 each time, if you were within a few 1000 of each other, I'd be tempted to go with you even if you were lower.

    I'd worry that the 500 quid bidder would turn about to be a total pain in the ass once sale agreed with contract queries and closing, and would be looking for a few quid off here and there after survey etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭Rougies


    100% bid the highest offer you can reasonably afford. There's way too much risk in losing the sale trying to save a few quid. A new 10k kitchen can wait a few years like. There are no "standards" in best and final offers. It's a horrible situation to be put in (I lost one before)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭Roberto_gas


    A house in estate i bought is 70k above asking in a week of listing and 85k above what i paid 4 months back ! Although it’s probably 40k extra based on condition. 4bed duplex



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,625 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    A house I viewed a few weeks ago was advertised at 395K (which I knew was low). After first viewing I registered to bid bwas at €495k within the first 24 hours if viewing. House was worth about €470-€480 (on today's prices). It lasted another 48 hours before being taken down at €535k. 3 bedroom house with no rear garden, shared driveway down a keyhole road (so no on street parking). 103m2



  • Administrators, Business & Finance Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,948 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Toots


    Absolutely this! It’ll be worth it if you really want the house and it gets the deal done. I’m surprised the EA has been entertaining the €500 increments tbh. We had someone do that when there was bidding on our previous place and the EA said to us it can be a red flag for someone who’s either a bit flaky, or is bidding more than they can afford.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    prices insane past few months. I don’t believe many will get their money back if selling. Many EAs have a hard neck selling tiny old houses for between 1/2 million & 670,000.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,625 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Thanks. I did sort of flag this to the EA about the other party wanting to drag this out for some unknown reason (either waiting on another property or waiting on mortgage approval). I'm really hoping the EA takes this account, as of the 15 bids, I averaged €1500 per bid whilst their maximum was only ever €500 each time



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,039 ✭✭✭yagan


    Helping prep the old mother in laws house for sale in an average town in county Tipp and I have people expressing interest before we've even got the ad up.

    It's an old 1930s council mid terrace house but walkable to all amenities and from what people tell there's a big interest in these for downsizers wanting to get in from their car dependent houses in the hinterlands as they get older.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭Gary_dunne


    If you've a dialogue with the Estate Agent I'd just give them a call explaining that you're interested in the house as shown by your increased offers and ask them what the other bidders "best and final offer" is. If it's still within your budget then put in your final offer.

    Let them know that you don't want to waste their time or the seller's time with the nonsensical endless €500 bids. I understand people saying just bid the max you can afford but realistically no one wants to overpay anymore than we already are doing in the current market.

    We went sale agreed a couple of days ago, 45k over asking price it's been a very stressful couple of months so I understand your frustration with it. Best of luck with it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭FledNanders


    We were in this situation last year. We did actually go €10k up for our final offer. We knew we probably were overpaying by a few K but we were certain we really wanted the house as it ticked all our boxes, and 10k over the course of a 30 year mortgage is nothing really.

    It was the right decision for us for sure.

    Also consider the status of the other bidder versus your own. We were selling a house to buy and we knew we were up against a FTB so we figured we needed to go hard on our final offer as we were at a bit of a disadvantage in buyer attractiveness terms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭DataDude


    There has been a dozens and dozens of variations of this comment since 2020.
    Yet the people who do buy find their neighbours is selling for €40k more a few months later.

    It always seems like terrible value when you’re buying, but 9/10 you look back a year later and see it as a bargain. I went through it myself.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,625 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Really good advice here (and from other posters) so thank you. I've contacted the EA with some of the suggestions above and have shown my eagerness to get this closed asap rather than back and forths.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭forumdedum




  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,625 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    They've also been saying that for a year too at least!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 568 ✭✭✭theboringfox


    Bid the amount where you wont be upset to find out the other crowd got it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭forumdedum




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,515 ✭✭✭VW 1


    What do you think will be the cause of a crash?

    Demand for houses is still far greater than supply. Credit is still widely and easily available for those with decent income, if prices get to a point where people are unable to afford to borrow then this will result in a cooling off or slight decrease in prices but not a crash.

    The one possibility for a crash is a global level recession affecting both jobs and credit availability but the US debt bubble is yet to burst to trigger that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,852 ✭✭✭This is it


    Tell us why?

    I'm nearly 18 months in my house, at least a year before buying we were told to hang on, there's a crash on the way.

    If you know there's a crash in the next 6 months you should get in there and make your millions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭Roberto_gas


    up 80k over asking today ! This is a 600+ house and bidding war is unimaginable..Crazy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭Roberto_gas


    i have been saying a crash since 2017…just bought few months back once interest rates started to dip..very unlikely in Ireland as demand is just too much and there are no new builds quantities required with all the population explosion. Even if thr is a crash globally doubt there will be much of a dip here



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,322 ✭✭✭hometruths


    When you were thinking crash in 2017 was that principally because of domestic factors unique to Ireland or fears of a global recession?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,355 ✭✭✭herbalplants


    Houses in 700k plus bracket are now 800k and over. Only in the last year.

    Do you think houses can grow infinite 100k a year?

    Remember the shills only get paid when you react to them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    The peak now is worse than it was just before the last crash. I am being offered a mortgage by my bank that I can not make repayments on. I'm sure many will not be able to make the repayments. The prices are bananas



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,852 ✭✭✭This is it


    Having just gone through the process I find it hard to believe you're being offered a mortgage you can't afford.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭Roberto_gas


    Global..stocks were overheated, jobs were scarce, gov debts were at record highs..then covid happened war happened and nothing..lol hope bubble did not go bigger before bursting😜😜



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭forumdedum




  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,322 ✭✭✭hometruths


    I thought Irish property had plenty of headroom in 2017, then by late 2019/early 2020 I thought we'd hit a top, and we were in for at best a soft landing, then Covid hit and I was convinced we were in for a big crash.

    Four years later I have no idea what to think, all I know for sure is I was wrong in 2020!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 Eims5769


    It's a horrible situation to be put in, especially after bidding for quite some time. I lost out on two house this way, one the other bidder was higher (I'm patiently watching PPR to see what it went for in the end!), and the other I was the high bidder but they decided to go with the cash buyer. I think good advice given as you have relationship with estate agent to try to sound them out a little bit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭Gary_dunne


    They 100% aren't being offered a mortgage that they can't afford. They set up a thread complaining about how the questions they're being asked on the application for a mortgage and refusing to give the required information so not even at the AIP stage never mind anything else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,751 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    This may have been asked before on this thread, but has anyone tried to put in an online bid in the Sherry Fitzgerald portal and had the bid refused because it was too far below asking price?

    Just curious if the first bids on properties are the actual first bids, or if they're the first bids that actually get accepted and put up on the site?

    ie: if the asking was 300k, and someone tried to put in a first bid of 250k, and was told that this was too low, and then raised the bid to 290k, and this was then recorded as the 'first' bid on their online platform?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭Brasso


    I'm pretty sure the first bid you place on SherryFitz online has to be accepted by the agent. So the agent could refuse your offer of it was below the vendor's lower limit. I've offered below asking on it before but the bidding had already started at about 10% under.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,355 ✭✭✭herbalplants


    I spotted this previously on auctioneera site.

    You should call Sherry and email your preferred bid to them outside their portal.

    Remember the shills only get paid when you react to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭Roberto_gas


    well they are growing in months..a house has a highest bid of now 103k to what we paid 4 months back…600k bracket



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,355 ✭✭✭herbalplants


    I agree but do you think that is viable to keep growing?

    Remember the shills only get paid when you react to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭Roberto_gas


    interest rates falling does not help..anything in good knick will have bidding wars..



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,625 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Coming back on this story. I've gone Sale Agreed on the house, so thank you to everyone for the advice and suggestions. That's one hurdle down of many!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭Hontou


    Just gone sale agreed. House was on the market nearly 5 months. Had to drop the price unfortunately. Hopefully the buyers want to be in before Christmas. What are people averaging time wise from sale agreed to contracts signed. No chain on either side. No planning or title issues.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,852 ✭✭✭This is it


    About 10-12 weeks with no issues would be my guesstimate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,355 ✭✭✭herbalplants


    Was the house in Dublin? About 2 months since no issues on both sides.

    Remember the shills only get paid when you react to them.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,625 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Has anyone done a pre-purchase survey in Dublin recently? Had viewed online that they seem to be around €500 but in only getting quotes for €700-€900 at the minute. Also I'm seeing that some charge extra for Certificates of Identity?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭Hontou




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,852 ✭✭✭This is it


    I used Kellehers early '23 for a 3 bed semi and found them brilliant. It was €425 ex VAT. Very detailed report and took a call to run through a few bits.

    https://www.kelleherassociates.ie/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 Eims5769


    I'm at 11 weeks and just signed, solicitor said 4-5 more weeks. It's tedious!! But basically think it depends on the solicitors involved



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 740 ✭✭✭mykrodot


    3 months from Sale Agreed to closing and moving in…. last Summer in Kerry.

    There was no chain, I was a cash buyer and the property was vacant. It nearly drove me nuts as there was no reason to hold up (3 bed semi in a small estate). Keep pushing and pushing and pushing for closing date. Give Solicitors no peace!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,014 ✭✭✭marko93


    Hi All,

    We’re in the process of buying a new build and for some reason I was under the assumption it wouldn’t need a structural review only a snag list.

    Have any folks here who have bought new builds gone for the full structural review and not just a snag list?

    Trying to understand why a new build may need one but perhaps I’m putting too much faith in the developers 😅



  • Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nigel Fairservice


    We were told that as well by the bank with a new build. Was a bit mystified by it. It turned out the auctioneer ticked a box he shouldn't have on the valuation report. He resubmitted the report with the correction and no need for a structural review

    A bad copy and paste job by the independent valuer.

    Post edited by Nigel Fairservice on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭FledNanders


    Happens quite often I would imagine.

    Our bank valuer had our house down as being timber framed (which is wasn't), which nearly collapsed our mortgage application.

    Obviously just hadn't bothered checking the copy and paste properly



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