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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,155 ✭✭✭trellheim


    I thought there was an objection in on the N2 ref bus stops going in on Nephin Rd , I still think it would be better via Old Cabra Road and Ratoath road , the 37 will continue to be along Blackhorse so I dont see what the problem is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,155 ✭✭✭trellheim


    that will leave a nasty patchwork of stops in the area of Carnlough Rd and Broombridge road in really twisty narrow housing estates, just to get to Broombridge station



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,637 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Some random resident complained about it but clearly didn’t follow through on objecting to planning permission.

    The N2 now provides a direct link to gates of the Phoenix Park by serving Blackhorse Avenue from the two rail lines and four core bus corridors - that’s an important connection which would be completely missed by the routing you suggest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,100 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The N2 journey times seems a bit optimistic… an hour or so to get from Clontarf DART station along Griffith Avenue,, swing around Cabra and then finish at Hueston Station.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,155 ✭✭✭trellheim


    When the N2 reverts to Infirmary road the gates of the park will still be served by the N2 at the NCR and Parkgate so a bit of a moot point surely. Ratoath Rd is not currently served by any route along that stretch and also my suggestion would offer single-stop interconnection to the 39a corridor , while leaving Phoenix park gates < 10 mins downhill walk along the quiet dunard road.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,637 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    I really think that a direct connection to the Park is far more important than a short 700m stretch of the Ratoath Road - we have to be realistic about traffic generators here.

    We also don’t know if the original planned routing via Infirmary Road will be used in the future - this could be the new permanent routing. And even if it isn’t, it could be ages before any such change happens if at all.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,504 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    I'm delighted to finally see this route launching soon, I think it will be a very popular route.

    Only complaint is that I think the off peak and in particular the weekend frequencies are too low.

    But it is a good start and if it is very popular, which I think it will be, perhaps they will boost the frequency in time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,567 ✭✭✭VG31


    I was thinking the same. They must have timed this when the schools were off. The Griffith Avenue/Ballymun Road and Griffith Avenue/Swords Road junctions can be very slow, particular eastbound. It could take 10 minutes to get through each of those two junctions alone.


    Unfortunately I can see this route being very unreliable with those timetables. I reckon they'll have to update them fairly soon after it starts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Great to see this launching. Interesting to see it mentioned in the brochure that it has interchange opportunities with 3 different Irish Rail Stations (each on a different line), both Luas lines and of course a multitude of radial bus routes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,637 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    It’s the same frequency as the S8 which seems to work.

    For a brand new route it’s probably about right - it’ll be a case of see what happens.

    Staffing could be a constraint if you went for higher frequencies.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,637 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    That has happened with every phase so far - running times were initially either too tight or far too generous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,983 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    I think ratoath road should have a radial service from west finglas to the city centre via stoneybatter. The amount of apartment building is insane out that way, it's badly needed. The orbital should serve broombridge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,567 ✭✭✭VG31


    It will be interesting to see how well this route is used. I believe this is the first of the North/South orbitals to be a completely new route and not partially served by other routes before. The N8 will also be a completely new route.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,235 ✭✭✭Daith


    I get the Luas frequently at Broombridge in the morning and there are times when it's already standing room only. Be interesting to see if this route generates more Luas passengers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    This is brilliant to see and I will definitely be a user of it in the future. It actually gives a nice alternative for lots of journeys.

    One handy one will be hopping off a train in Heuston and on to a nice waiting N2 which will whisk you around to any of the Northside corridors and your bus out to the Northside, eg Swords Rd or Finglas Rd. Very handy.

    Linking over to Phoenix Park and Heuston will be good too.

    It will potentially be faster to hop off the Dart at Clontarf Rd coming from the Northside and onto the N2 to get to Heuston if times line up.

    Bus priority will be badly needed on Griffith Ave. / Swords Rd. Buses will die there and make peak travel frustrating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,854 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    It's great to hear that the N2 is coming out on the 29th of September. I have some family members that live along the N2 around Cabra. It would be very handy to use this route to visit them after I get off the 4 at Heuston Station as an interim measure until the 4 is replaced by the B4 in later phases of BusConnects. If some of my relatives are going from Athlone to Dublin by train; they get the N2 bus at Heuston to get to their other relatives house in Cabra for family occasions in future. It will negate the need for them to get lifts because the N2 will leave them outside their house which would reduce the emissions on the environment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,983 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Indeed, it's a great route, it makes trips from the northside to West Dublin so much more practical, until now it's been a case of go to ocs and get another bus there even though the start and end points are both significantly west of of ocs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭Polar101


    That N2 route map on the TFI site was a bit confusing, so does it go via Aughrim St. on the way to Heuston, and Prussia St. / NCR (Hanlon's Corner) on the way towards Clontarf?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭thomasj


    It follows the 37 route , so outbound it goes left at Hanlons to North circular and right then to Blackhorse avenue and inbound from blackhorse avenue it goes straight via Aughrim street to Manor street



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭mrsdewinter


    RE the N2, I guess it goes over the humpback bridge at Broombridge?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,637 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,155 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Yes it will be the first route over that bridge, always wondered why the 40e doesnt take it although its probably a school feeder for that bit of Ratoath road .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,235 ✭✭✭Daith


    The proposed change to the 40e will mean it will go over the bridge but not now. And yes, during school times, it drops a lot of kids off at Cabra.

    I can't wait until it uses the bridge and avoids Cabra. Even without the kids, it can be a chore to navigate that estate in Cabra



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭mrsdewinter


    I honestly thought the bridge couldn't accommodate regular buses - a misconception based on the lack of services using that bridge, not on any structural analysis.

    Anyway, that's great news.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,235 ✭✭✭Daith


    I think the bridge was modified or changes made to it just for buses (and bikes). It's kinda annoying watching cars use it, sometimes preventing the 40e from entering or exiting Broombridge.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,504 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Oh I totally appreciate that and it certainly better then nothing.

    I just hope they review it and consider it. Much like they did with the N4 going from 10 to 12 minutes, this could possibly be a rebalancing in the opposite direction.

    I'm thinking of all the college students arriving into Heuston on a Sunday evening from around the country looking to head to DCU and the lots of student accommodation nearby. Every 30 minutes isn't so great then.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,504 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    BTW There is another new N2 Bus stop under construction, this one on the corner of Griffith Avenue and Swords Road, east bound on the North East side of the junction.

    While another brilliant stop, a bit disappointing to see the relatively massive area of new cycle lane they seem to be digging up to build it! Not really a criticism of the bus stop, more aimed at the lack of integrated development and the quality of this bike lane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,567 ✭✭✭VG31


    I wonder if there will be a stop between the new one near Tolka Rovers and the existing 13 stop at Lambay Road. It won't be that straightforward to switch to/from the N2 and the E spine/19 otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,155 ✭✭✭trellheim


    But its still going to go through the estates in cabra , faussagh and Broombridge road ?

    Reference the point of the closeness to the Phoenix park, as the n2 revised route currently stands, thats true on the face of it . However stop 4458 - beside the military cemetery - which is the closest to a park gate, leaves you into the park at the worst possible place, with a 15 min walk down to the Zoo at best , and a much longer walk either up around Ratra to any real amenities. This is very local to me and you wouldnt really see anyone on the 37 using that for Park entry, the 46a would be the real load carrier in that regard as its straight into the People's park and the Zoo



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,983 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    The N2 will have to be diverted to the new bridge for a few months, perhaps a year to allow for the demolition and reconstruction of broombridge as part of the DART+West scheme. If the JRs fail that can start in 2026



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