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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,290 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    You will note that he always stands slightly tipped forward.

    This stance is purely to allow him to pull ridiculous stories like that out of his sizeable ass.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    No matter how daft Trump is or what nonsense he mouths it doesn't appear to cause any serious damage to him hopefully KH did enough in the debate to motivate voters to come out for her .Still a bit to go so unfortunately no one can rule out Trump by any means .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,456 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Chicken in chief



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Did you not see that my post was somewhat tongue-in-cheek?

    God knows, we deserve a little humour at DJT'd expense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Great policy, wonder how long will it take for Kamala to copy it? week tops



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,796 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    It's a terrible 'policy'. Who defines what overtime is? You would simply have people earning minimum wage during normal hours and suddenly 10x times for overtime.

    Massively open to abuse and almost completely unmanageable.

    And that is even before we get to the financial implications of it on the government. Has Trump given any details of the costs to the government of such a policy and where that money will come from?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Coupled with his tariff plan, they'd certainly need to work a lot of extra overtime to pay bills. Make Americans Work Harder To Just Tread Water.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,901 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I imagine Trump will be throwing all sorts of empty unworkable promises into the mix going forward.

    Have Mexico paid for that wall yet?

    Or will it just be Steve Bannon?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,901 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I don't see the problem.

    After nearly a decade, sure he doesn't have a plan, but he plans to have a plan to address the plan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,796 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    He has the concept of a plan!

    That is another great line from the debate. Imagine a person running for such a senior position, one that he has been running for for 9 years, coming out with such a line. It's laughable.

    He couldn't even think of something better to say. 'I have a concept of a plan'. 9 years after calling for the end of Obamacare, saying that he would sort it all out so quickly, this is all he has.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,770 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Aw man. She's laughing and having a good time. Can't be having that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,810 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Can you imagine what MAGA social media attack propaganda would be doing if Harris had said something like that?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,395 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    And yet we still hear "undecided" voters saying things like "I need to see more from Harris on policy before I make up my mind"

    GTFO…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,810 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It is obviously just an excuse \ pretext. They want to vote for Trump, don't want to vote for Harris and are just looking for justifications of a decision made.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,456 ✭✭✭Shoog


    It actually cuts both ways, when undecideds are pushed they almost always have already made a firm commitment in their mind - and it splits fairly evenly down the middle.

    The undecided voter is a myth. There are only really people who won't tell you what they already decided.

    Elections are decided on turnout - and it's looking bleak for Donnie on that metric.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭nachouser


    "I mean, she doesn't seem to be an absolute monstrous ghoul of a person, but I'm waiting to hear her position on mandatory bathroom breaks for minimum wage warehouse workers."



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,395 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Agree completely.

    They just don't want to admit to others and maybe even themselves that they know who they are going to vote for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,198 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    “Elections are decided on turnout - and it's looking bleak for Donnie on that metric.”


    Oooh that sounds interesting? Any metrics or latest thinking to hand on that? We need some hope here 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,456 ✭✭✭Shoog


    The voter registration surges that have been going on for the last two months. Taylor swift is just the latest to cause a massive surge in Harris' voters.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,395 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Something like 400k people clicked on the "check your registration" link that Swift shared in her endorsement message on Instagram.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,198 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    They’re well needed as Democrats have a habit of finding just about anything else to do on voting day, except vote. Especially ethnic minorities - if there was ever an election that you just couldn’t afford to miss, this one’s it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,456 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Voter enthusiasm is at least 10% ahead among Democrats this cycle. Trump voters are tired and disheartened this cycle and Trumps rally turn outs are a testament to that.

    The magic has gone. So if someone asks you who you would vote for - doesn't mean you will actually vote for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,424 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Yeah any undecideds who want to hear more "policy" from Kamala but remain undecided after Trumps "we have a concept of a plan" aren't undecided.

    You're talking about someone with a plan vs someone without. And then there's the mountain of other things wrong with Trump.

    Just like our "both sides are terrible" posters on here. Do you honestly think anyone believes you at this stage? Why are you afraid of saying you're a Trump supporter? Just come out and say it. Noone will be getting hurt. Or are you just secretly a bit ashamed that your choice of candidate is so irredeemably awful?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,796 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Except for 2020 when their turnout won it, and caused Trump to have his now 4-year tantrum because as he repeats getting 74m votes should have seen him walk the election.

    On the new voter registrations, the numbers themselves mean nothing. 300k extra in NY or California is of no consequence. It's all about the swing states.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,343 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    I honestly don't think that Trump supporters are capable of feeling shame. They've got such a lack of awareness that they can't hear or believe anything that doesn't originate from Trump's Truth Social feed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,770 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,456 ✭✭✭Shoog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,759 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    I suspect they just never imagined that Biden would have the altruism to pull out. That's just not something that would even cross a Trump supporter's mind IMO.

    Obviously they weren't expecting him to do that badly either (I'd say even his own team didn't expect anything that bad or they would have found a way not to have him do it) but even if they had done, I really don't think they'd have actually not shown up in case Biden decided not to run.

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls: "Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,198 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    I can’t imagine how far behind Biden would be at this stage if he were still in this election - there certainly wouldn’t be any requirement to toss coins.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭thatsdaft




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,759 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    I think the biggest problem about Biden's age, and frailty, is that even if he managed to convince everyone that that debate was a one-off (I'm not convinced that getting people's names wrong in a speech is anything more than a bit embarrassing, rather than proof of dementia) but even if he'd recovered from all that afterwards, the problem is that there are FOUR YEARS after the election. It's very hard to imagine that he won't be in serious decline well before then.

    That's why he shouldn't have stood in the first place - it removed a simple, clear argument against Trump's second candidacy. I don't really understand why they went along with it for so long.

    Anyway, that's all over now.And hopefully for the best. 🤞

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls: "Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    Actually they believe and repeat any old bullshít in relation to but not exclusively to, Ukraine, Russia, any right wing party (though some actually go as far as to claim they don't exist), any left wing party (all commies socialist etc), abortion after birth, immigration, Jews etc, as long as someone has the ability to speak fúcktard or can put it into a meme and deliver it to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,927 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users Posts: 639 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    that stuck in my head now…new ringtone!!😂😁


    "They gave me an impossible task,one which they said I wouldnt return from...."

    ps wheres my free,fancy rte flip-flops...?

    pps wheres my wheres my rte macaroons,kevin?

    "You are him…the one they call the "Baba Yaga"…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,927 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I'll probably be bumpin it on the ride home from work tbh



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,315 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Good take from Anthony Scaramucci again this week. Harris will need to follow up her strong debate performance with a lot more media engagement in order to press the advantage. Don't give it up to Trump to go around crowing about how it was really he who won.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,182 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Patrick Gathara Senior Editor for Inclusive Storytelling at The New Humanitarian.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,068 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,198 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    I’d go further - get out there and knock on doors - get yourself into the neighbourhoods of the voters your need - it’s probably unprecedented but now is the time to do things that count - too late after polling day



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,290 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    .....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Scaramucci is wonderfully impressive. Great reasoning as to why Trump may not contest a lost election. Scaramucci forecast, before the first debate I think, Biden dropping out and being replaced by Harris. Both had very good analysis on the need for a Harris economic plan for that, middle class who are under financial pressure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,315 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Not sure about this point by Scaramucci.

    If he looks like losing, he can:-

    A) Not contest the election, which will mean that the pending trials against him will almost certainly proceed at some point, and which consist of very serious charges concerning electoral fraud and compromising national security. If you put these together with the hush money case, it's hard to see him avoiding a penalty which would be intolerable to him.

    or

    B) Contest the election and possibly avoid this fate. If he's already in the crosshairs for the above charges, what would he actually have to lose by going for broke and maybe getting one more, or avoiding all pending charges completely? In for a penny, in for a pound, as they say.

    But consider also that Trump has started to fold the rigged election talk back into his rhetoric, and I mean that in the sense of the forthcoming election. Talk of the 2020 election being rigged never really stopped. And consider also all the chess pieces which his acolytes have been moving into place in terms of trying to weight the election in his favour such as the election denying certification officials in Georgia. Everything says to me that the Trump campaign fully intends to contest the election should it look like they will lose via ballot, and that's by hook or by crook. They know no other way of behaving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,034 ✭✭✭Slideways


    Scaramucci is a cuck in my opinion.

    This is a guy who hung out with Trump and helped him get into the White House, he knew what he was like and still participated in his election and then worked for him after the fact. It was only after he got sacked that he changed his tune. I also hate the way he continues to call him Mr Trump, the orange turd does not deserve that sort of deference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    I'm not a purist and neither should Harris be. Take support from whoever, have as wide a support base as possible. Had the start of a good joke on the show. Three men walk into a bar, Bernie Sanders, Dick Cheney, Anthony Scaramucci. Behind the bar is Kamal Harris.

    The punchline has yet to be written. BTW, none of the three men actually drink alcohol and Harris likes the occasional glass of wine.

    How bad is Trump that all three named stand fully with Harris?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,315 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Well, Cheney is one endorsement that Harris really doesn't need. MAGA has a term you've probably heard called 'The Uniparty', ie what they allege is a superseding neo-liberal coalition between the Democrats and any Republican who has the gall not to bow to Trump, and they must view someone like Cheney as the veritable head of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,198 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    It’s the Daily Mail so let’s not get too excited - but still …any news of descent in the Trump camp can’t be all bad

    “Nearly 50 days from the 2024 presidential election, there are signs that Trump's presidential campaign is reeling and even at war – with itself.

    Multiple sources familiar with the campaign structure are now questioning whether the two people running the 2024 operation – campaign co-managers Susie Wiles and Chris LaCivita – should keep their jobs.

    Despondency over the direction of the campaign has apparently been building for some time.

    But, according to sources who spoke exclusively to Dailymail.com, Trump's 'disastrous' performance in Tuesday's ABC News debate against Vice President Kamala Harris and the decision to allow an infamous 9/11 conspiracy theorist to accompany the former president to September 11th memorial events, were the final straw.”


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13847885/Donald-Trump-Laura-Loomer-campaign.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Well the fault can't be with Trump, somebody has to take the blame.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,178 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    Dopey donald trump is to blame for all of his stupid failings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,315 ✭✭✭✭briany


    What missteps the Trump campaign has made since Harris took over the Democrat ticket seem to be down to Trump himself. When she came on, he hunkered down in his house for what? A week? Two weeks? Gave the media space to her for that time. Did that disastrous interview at the NABJ where he couldn't help go to the racial place.

    His campaign have made missteps, but they were decisions which were considered sound by them at the time of their making, like the appointment of Vance as VP nominee or agreeing to a June debate, but changing circumstances dramatically altered the perceived wisdom of those choices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,640 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Please tell me the Republicans can’t nominate another candidate?



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