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Casement Park watch.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,272 ✭✭✭threeball


    So 1 GAA game per year that may or may not sell out and 2 others that will 60% fill it. Makes perfect sense to build a stadium that size when you look at it that way....



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    When you look at it like that, it would make more sense to build housing, hospitals or such infrastructure...and renovate Casement in a smaller way than spending 300 million and rising.



  • Administrators Posts: 54,168 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Am I misunderstanding you here Francis? Are you suggesting Casement's location is a benefit?

    The location of Casement Park is one of the biggest weaknesses of the project IMO. It's an awful location. It's accessible only via the Andersonstown Road, there are no other approach roads into it. It's cut off from the city by the M1 / Westlink. Every single person has to approach the ground via that same route and it is totally inaccessible to pedestrians from the city centre.

    I would honestly say it's even worse than Pairc Ui Chaoimh. At least you can walk to PUC from Cork city centre, you've no chance of walking to Casement from Belfast CC.

    I think if Casement Park was a brand new stadium, and there was never a stadium there previously, there would be a 0% chance that anyone would choose this location.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,991 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    The capacity is too small to have something like Germany vs France in Euro 2028 ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,434 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I made the comment on the assumption that this is the only location for a stadium of this size on the table. Long Kesh was the prime location.



  • Administrators Posts: 54,168 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Long Kesh was an even worse location.

    The symbolism of that project was lovely but the practicalities were garbage and it was all pure pie in the sky fluff.

    Maybe Ulster GAA should team up with Glentoran and they can both live at the Oval? 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,434 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    People will have issue with probably all locations0

    Casement is ATM the only game in town and any comment takes that into account.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,486 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    29 March 2024.

    The Irish News is reporting that tenders are being sought. And work would have to commence by the end of 2024 to have Casement ready for the Euros.

    https://www.irishnews.com/news/northern-ireland/tenders-for-the-redevelopment-of-casement-park-to-go-out-within-days-KIABTKTO3FFULAXXMEH3RBJC7Y/





  • Chris Heaton-Harris saying costs are "significantly higher" than a year ago.

    https://www.itv.com/news/utv/2024-04-24/casement-costs-significantly-higher-than-a-year-ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭celt262


    Can't see it been built they will drag feet until it is to late to get it built for the Euro's.



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  • More delay with this now what with a general election being called in the UK. Any decision now pushed into the Autumn I'd say. Must be built by the Summer of 2027, so the clock is ticking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,964 ✭✭✭6541


    Unionists just don't want this stadium. I am afraid it won't be built.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,434 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You would think they'd be anxious to announce good news in an election campaign. This is justclassic evasion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,991 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    It would be too small to cater for the Frances, Germanys etc.

    They would have a backup stadium in mind already.

    UEFA / FIFA always have an answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭oisinog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Lads

    Its been obvious for quite some time that this project isn't happening in its current guise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,290 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,471 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    I don't see what all this guff about the Euros is about. It was a UK gov initiative and would result in a stadium with a specification way beyond what is required for the GAA.

    The GAA would then have to maintain it or adapt it back to something more suitable.

    Let the euros go and get something more appropriate built.



  • Registered Users Posts: 589 ✭✭✭vid36


    Sir Keir will surely give them the money and its game on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,471 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    So is Jarlath putting the pressure on the british gov with his statement that the euros are gone? A bit late with the election coming up, when the winners get their feet under the table it will be quite a while away.

    It was always a tall ask hopefully now it has been put to bed and a stadium suitable for gaa can be built instead of this euros waffle.

    Well done to the unionists who have blocked potentially some of the biggest teams in football coming to Northern Ireland and the economic benefits of that, but at least the fenians have been put in their place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,991 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Won't be built. It's not a vote getter and nobody in mainland UK gives a shite about the North.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,486 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    It will mean a rejig of the venues for the Euros. At present it is 6 in England, and one each in Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. It is being reported on network BBC today, as well as in Northern Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,290 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It wasn't a tall ask. Not in the slightest.

    Only in that sht show above would something so simple be a tall ask.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭rrs


    They didn't need as many Countries, it seemed to be to keep everyone happy. There was enough good stadiums in England , Scotland and Wales. England alone could have hosted it, but the fiasco from the Euro 21 final would have damaged that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    There was a theory doing the rounds (probably bullshit) that England wanted to go alone but UEFA told them it's a joint bid or nothing.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭rrs


    It could be possible. England hosted Euro 96 . The Euro final against Italy was really poorly managed.

    Ueffa seen to be want to spread it out. The last Euros was across a load of Counties. This years tournament in Germany should be good as just the one host Nation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,991 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    They are hardly going to give out 5 automatic spots are they ???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,353 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Well England definitely don't care if Casement Park is available or not. No sleep will be lost there.

    They'd be happier if they can switch it to an alternative venue in Britain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 632 ✭✭✭BaywatchHQ


    They care enough to send death threats to one of our soccer players and abuse him for a decade. There are many loyalists in GB.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,486 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    18 June 2024, ahead of UK elections on 04 July.

    Hilary Benn can't write a blank cheque for Casement Park.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz55jgvl720o



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,481 ✭✭✭✭cson


    Curious what lads think is a good existing template for a Casement Park redevelopment? What ground exists that they should leverage for the 60m or whatever they end up getting for it?

    I can't personally think of one, but for my money every mid sized GAA ground should aim to emulate Ravenhill - great mix of terracing, seats & corporate. That's the experience the GAA need to start moving toward, none of this Mars bars on a fold out table behind a stand nonsense that one of ye mentioned above.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,290 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Tallaght (but with some terraces), Ravenhill or a less flamboyant looking version of Thomond Park. One of those 3 depending on the size and needs of the county.

    Personally I can't understand why people love places like Thurles and Clones but they do so both should be built to PuC spec.





  • Labour’s Shadow minister for NI, Hilary Benn, said there cannot be a “blank cheque” for Casement. Article also says the process to remove NI from the list of venues for Euro 2028 is imminent.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz55jgvl720o



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,486 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    If it is going to be used for the Euros, it has to be all seating. And a minimun capacity of 30,000. Earlier in the thread there was reference to a plan to replace some seating with terraces following the Euros.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,481 ✭✭✭✭cson


    It's clearly not going ahead at this point in terms of it being a venue for the Euro's.

    But there is still significant funds allocated to it, thus I'm asking the question what type of GAA ground would it be best to emulate in its redevelopment?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Somebody mentioned Ravenhill,I think it would be great to have something along those lines. Unfortunately that's not the design of Provincial grounds in GAA.You're generally looking at a decent stand with bucket seats,3 open sides with terrace/concrete benches and sometimes (but rarely) plastic seats,For example Limeric,Nowlan Park

    The fact that this stadium is partly funded by the British and is in a different jurisdiction might make a difference.

    Whilst the whole thing would have being a white elephant theres no denying its definitely a huge opportunity lost to have a great GAA stadium in belfast and the North.

    As I said it may have been a white elephant but now there's no elephant (or stadium) of any colour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,272 ✭✭✭threeball


    Just because it was the way provincial stadiums were built doesn't mean it should continue.

    They should try and focus on building something like Doncaster Rovers stadium which cost £20m and holds just over 15k. You could even terrace either end to bring down the cost and push up capacity but the atmosphere in a stadium like that would be electric

    https://images.app.goo.gl/STy3RGqMgA8ddcwV9



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭HBC08


    I agree.

    Doesn't look like anything like that will happen now though.(Your link isn't working for me but I'm familiar with Doncaster, I have an interest in stadiums)

    An opportunity lost,its looking like no stadium be it GAA style or otherwise will be built.

    Since this was first proposed to an actual ground being built at all will be a generation or more.Sad situation.

    Ps,there's no way they'd get a ground like built at Casement for that price now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭joebloggs32


    The GAA needs to push for the allocation of cash to be on a par with that what was given for Ravenhill and Windsor and have it linked to inflation also.

    Forget about the Euros, its not happening. Cut their cloth to its measure. Put in two decent sized covered stands on each side of the ground and two good standing terraces at either end. Bring capacity up to about 35k and you'd have a ground fit to host Ulster finals, and a few concerts each year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,272 ✭✭✭threeball


    35k is not needed. No one in NI wants to go to casement to an Ulster final especially anyone west of Lough Neagh.

    Antrim are a small GAA county. They don't have a large following. League games attract a couple of thousand at most. How can you justify building a 35k stadium for that level of crowd. More people would pass through Doncasters stadium in a month than through Casement in a year and you want to build something over twice the size. It's total nonsense.



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  • Administrators Posts: 54,168 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    The GAA needs to push for the allocation of cash to be on a par with that what was given for Ravenhill and Windsor

    It was. In fact, Casement was given the biggest slice of the pie.

    There was 138million allocated by Stormont in total.

    Casement Park got 61 million.

    Irish League soccer got 36million.

    Windsor Park got 25 million.

    Ulster Rugby got 15 million.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,471 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    And the while sorry saga draws to the predictable conclusion.

    Jim Allister will be delighted that the uppity Fenians have been put back in their place.

    I hope the games go to Cork and they reap the benefits of it.

    It was madness anyway to build a stadium to that specification anyway. Maybe something more suitable can be built for Antrim GAA and never worry about these other competitions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    There's no chance they'll go to Pairc Ui Chaoimh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,471 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Probably not. Just read they will split it across all locations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,290 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It was never going to Cork. All that talk was pure nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    A lot of talk about blaming the unionists but let's not forget it was locals in West Belfast who initially delayed this by a few years when a 38k all seater stadium was revealed.

    It would be built by now if not for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,290 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Difference is one had legitimate concerns and the other had bitterness.



  • Administrators Posts: 54,168 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I think what you mean to say is it would be built by now if the GAA hadn't been too grand in their initial plans and then tried to just railroad over the local residents.

    Rugby and soccer have their stadiums built almost a decade, the GAA would too if they hadn't made a total balls of this process at the start.

    Yes, there are others to blame along the way that have compounded the issue significantly, but the initial mess was entirely of their own making.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭techman1


    The Irish government putting up 50 million, the British an even bigger sum, the gaa only circa 10 million or something and they were going to get a brand new stadium for f** all. Is everyone mad , why was this ever entertained. If it had been built would the gaa have opened it up to all sports afterwards?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,290 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    How much soccer is played in Ravenhill, Or rugby in Windsor ?

    Why were they not forced to ground share by the government who gave them loads of money ?

    Also Casement was being built to host soccer so what the fuk are you on about. What are "all sports" are you expecting cricket or hockey in there or something.



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