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Russia-Ukraine War

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Probably the longer range weaponry would be using allied or NATO satellite based systems for guidance.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    thats in the realms of an obvious escalation though , it would be a case that whatever way its explained that it is NATO directing weapons into Russia. I doubt there is much desire for that outside of some extremist neocons

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Global oil prices continue to fall, back to 2021 levels now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭rogber


    You have a point but as the UK said this week: Russia started this illegal war, Russia can stop it any time. Only one country is trying to steal land and eradicate the culture of another country here. Every single option should be on the table in the service of Ukraine self defence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,990 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    With the exception of Taurus (which was explained in detail earlier on the thread) I don't believe there's any difference between the GPS on the short range rockets Ukraine currently fires into Russia and the long range they want to fire into Russia. The only difference is the range. That apparently is the escalation part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,731 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Can the west not just supply the missiles on the qt?

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,990 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Ukraine already have the missiles, they are looking for permission to use them to strike deep into Russia.

    Just give Ukraine the nod and claim surprise if Ukraine use them to strike Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    it will have the feel that NATO is doing this not Ukraine buying stuff "off the shelf" and firing stuff themselves, seems like an escalation to me , its how it will be seen publicly

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,990 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    How? Ukraine already are using western artillery, tanks, IFV, short range rockets, glide bombs in Russia. Does that feel like NATO is doing that? When Ukraine shoots down Russian planes deep within Russia, does that also feel like NATO is doing that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Russians, Putin and their propaganda machine been claiming for years now they are at war with NATO

    All this noise from Russia is hilarious as it undoes and undermines all the nonsense they sprouted up to now



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,417 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Say publicly it's a "red line" but then don't punish them for breaking it.

    Or better yet tell them you will punish them in "3 days".



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    This war will not end well for Ukraine unless they can really hit Putin 's military capability. Well past the stage of rolling the dice and going full steam to knock out the military infrastructure etc to really push them back .It will drag on for years if Russia is allowed fire missiles etc from within their border with little or no danger of Ukraine being allowed to do likewise .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,006 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I am not sure it is a great argument. I don't think Russia's military were born knowing how to target & fire Shaheds let alone how to build them. Similar for North Korean ballistic missiles they have already used to attack Ukraine's cities, same will apply again when they receive and start using Iranian ballistic missiles. Where does that know how come from? Osmosis or sleep learning (unlikely) or perhaps Iranian and NK "advisors", experts etc., their allies giving a helping hand at least for a time to get them up and running (more likely).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,706 ✭✭✭Field east


    can UKr not claim that every time that Russia bombs a civilian site , ccevilian accomodation block, electricity supply utilities, residential areas - especially outside the Donbas / Luhansk area - being bombed, produce markets where people are buying daily supplies, international cyper attacks, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc that Russia is excalatingthe conflict each time. Ukr can then threaten Russia with an equivalent strike AND ONnRUSSIAN territory. Preview. Ukr should adapt the policy of ‘ an eye for an eye or its equivalent



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,456 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    The allies need to supply Ukraine with enough anti artillery to protect Kiev further and then let Ukraine strike Russia all it likes with long range missiles. See if Russia can get anywhere bear damaging Kiev then.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,860 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    If there's a class system of the human race in different parts of the world. Then there's clearly a class system in Russia. It seems there's the class Putin was holding in reserve at all costs or those that could afford to bribe the system to avoid the frontline are now on the frontline.

    ⬇️ this link Elon won't allow be embed as it's of captured Russian prisoners on the battlefield.

    x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1834930699524006009



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,920 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    The Russian armoured attacks on pokrovsk are so big we've not seen anything on that scale since Avdiivka. Thankfully Ukraine have dealt with the waves so far. Potentially good news in Kursk despite the Russian counter attack.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,920 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like the Wests policy to Special Range Missiles is to allow it, but not publicly allow it. Just like North Korean and Iranian missiles.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭Polar101


    That's great, but 2.5 years into the war and they've just begun? Hopefully that's not fully accurate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,920 ✭✭✭zv2


    They started a few months back. I suppose it took time to shift to nato standards.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,358 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    I hope this is true, but what are you basing it on ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Few quotes on the twitter sphere from the lads I usually post. But could easily be wrong.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    From telegram:

    "The Netherlands will not be able to provide Ukraine with the Patriot air defense system due to the refusal of one of its allies, the "NL Times" reports.

    At the end of June, the Netherlands together with an unnamed country announced the delivery of Patriot to Ukraine. However, it has now become known that the ally withdrew from this agreement.

    “The necessary components for the complete Patriot system have already been assembled. The Netherlands provided three launchers and a radar, and the rest was to be supplied by an ally,"

    the Dutch Ministry of Defense previously stated.

    Defense Minister Ruben Breckelmans said that the Netherlands has already handed Ukraine a radar and will soon send three launchers. They are currently looking for another ally to supply the remaining components.

    "We continue our work in this direction. Negotiations are ongoing with several partners,"

    Brekelmans said."

    My money is on the US or NATO which is basically run by the US anyway. Obviously didn't want Ukraine having a PAC 3 capable patriot that could reach deep inside Russia. Scumbags.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    So things should start looking break for Russia but Putin won't go without a fight. The general mobilisation would be very tough for Ukraine to deal with but provide them with enough aid and they will prevail.

    Russia aims to end the war by late 2025 or early 2026 with a victory due to anticipated serious economic problems starting in mid-2025 and the need for mobilization, which could destabilize the socio-political situation, according to GUR Head Budanov.

    https://interfax.com.ua/news/general/1013845.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Russia aims to do lots of things… Kiev in 3 days. Ukraine kicked out of Russia by Oct 1st… indoor plumbing for the serfs (a guess seeing as this is what occupies the Invaders in Ukraine).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,860 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    I see a female motorcyclist with a large following on another forum who is travelling the world on her bike has been in Georgia. As part of travelling in Georgia she has to by law go across the russian border and get a permit to travel in Georgia.

    (To anyone with a brain reading that, their spidey senses would immediately be twitching. And you'd be correct big time.)

    She was told by the Georgian authorities that it'd be a half an hour job. Just go across and get your card stamped and back across back into Georgia. She was waived through the border into Russia with no delay. When she presented herself at the office in Russia. They were surprised she was there in the first place. Then she was put into a cell and then the interrogation started if she was a spy. She had to hand her phone over and all social media accounts were gone through. She started shouting on the cell door and the interrogations started again about did she hear of the special operation in Ukraine and why she was travelling the world. She said they all had a wry smile as she was being interrogated. As they had the power to do what they pleased with her. After a full 24 hours she was let go back to Georgia. One of the interrogators said they were sorry for this but that it won't always be this way. Whatever she said that meant.

    So a lesson for any gullible eejits out there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Those border officials will be lucky not to find themselves assigned to the front, letting a valuable hostage go rather than exchange for GRU agents.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,608 ✭✭✭✭Danzy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,505 ✭✭✭macraignil




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    It's as clear as day the American war planners want this war to drag on another few years to inflict maximum damage on Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    I posted few weeks ago but Norwegians are to thank for transferring plans, equipment, know how for Ukrainians to build shells themselves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭junkyarddog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Situation in Kursk deteriorating for the Rashists



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,641 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Hi Ivan, how’s Orwell Road?


    Here’s a tip- no one believes you.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,489 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I have done a lot of research and it took me a long time to write this comment

    Well at least you wasting your time is one positive outcome from that nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,812 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    You open with:

    Zelensky didn't try to prevent the conflict through diplomacy because he lacks honour and integrity.

    How can that be fact checked? Thats not a fact. That is your personal opinion which is without merit or foundation.

    So how do we know what are expressions of opinions or misrepresentations of facts. Already your post has lost all credibility.

    Facts can be presented in a way to misrepresent and deceive. Propaganda.

    There was no coup. It is your claim. Supported by exactly nothing.

    You state that everything you wrote can be verified while posting things like 'hint'? Conspiracy theory nonsense.

    What you dont mention is that Russia has no right to dictate such red lines to Ukraine. It is a violation both of Budapest and NATO Russia Founding Act. Remarkable that your post doesnt mention these isnt it?

    Russias legitimate security concerns wrt NATO were recognised in those treaties and Ukraine joining NATO is allowed by those treaties.

    Likewise Russia never adhered to Minsk. That is what is behind the comments from EU leaders. Russia was not a good faith party to the negotations.

    "A major blockage has been Russia's insistence that it is not a party to the conflict and therefore is not bound by its terms."

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/what-are-minsk-agreements-ukraine-conflict-2022-02-21/

    Oh so concerned about Azov and not a mention of Wagner? Not believable.

    You have done a lot of research but none of that came up? Nope. Your claims have negative credibility.

    This is just a dump of discredited pro Russian propaganda.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 836 ✭✭✭blackwave




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭junkyarddog




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,920 ✭✭✭zv2


    @Luna84 "Soon after, there was a massacre in Odessa"

    Both sides were throwing petrol bombs inside the building and it got out of control.

    "For 8 years the Ukrainian military was indiscriminately shelling civilians living in Donbas."

    Russian false flags.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Didn’t zelensky get elected on platform of wanting to do a deal with Putin which he did only for Putin to tear it up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭junkyarddog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭Polar101


    "I have stated a lot of facts and I have given my honest opinion"

    You must have copypasted the wrong document, the post was devoid of facts.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,174 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    "Research" I.E. verbatim regurgitation of the Kremlin spin. Spin that has evolved by the by. Many Russians seem to suffer from amnesia(& fear), so the Kremlin wrongly assumed people beyond their borders would also forget.

    For 8 years the Ukrainian military was indiscriminately shelling civilians living in Donbas

    You forgot the 16,000 Russians killed line. In fact at least 6000 of those were Ukrainian(Russia herself claimed 10,000 plus Ukrainians killed). Now I've asked you this before, to deafening silence on your part; when did the vast majority of those deaths occur? Hint:2014-16. How many died in 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021? Russia themselves say just over 600 of their men were killed in that period. So why didn't Putin officially invade at the height of the killings he's claiming are his reason for invading in 2022? I say officially as his "little green men" were, already in country. Something he denied for years and then admitted.

    Most of all; how many dead, injured and displaced are there now since Putin's invasion? Ukraine is now the most mined nation on Earth. There is a zone of utter devastation so big it can be easily seen from orbit.

    someone visited Zelensky in Kiev at that time Russia's national security was compromised once NATO began to expand eastwards.

    Ah Boris Johnson, again. The same Russian speaking Boris who was so in bed with FSB connected oligarchs, he visited them in Italy when he was the British Foreign Secretary without his government entourage, who elevated one oligarch's son to the British peerage, who so concerned the British intelligence services they went public with their concerns. That Boris Johnson? Interesting choice of the Kremlin's spin…

    But forget all that, one fact torpedoes this spin; the talks went on for weeks after Johnson had left. Oh and try and find these Kremlin claims from the time it was going on. It was many months before they spun that up and it took nigh on a year before Putin after cranking up his word processor and printer before he claimed he had the documents. You'd think they'd be shouting about at the time, no? No, at the time it was the famous "feint" that had them back off from Kiev.

    Oh and those WMD Biolabs and weaponised birds and insects. They've gone quiet on them haven't they? Even though they're in control of a large chunk of Ukraine for two years they couldn't even invent the "evidence". Don't mention the sims, or any "waifs in their underwear"…

    Russia clearly stated that Ukraine joining NATO was a red line (November 2021) and unfortunately this concern was never taken seriously. The Russians openly stated: if nothing changes, we will be forced to act in order to defend our national security. Enhancing the national security of one country at the expense of another is unacceptable. The Russians have legitimate security concerns.

    If you didn't have your flag planted so firmly in one camp you would know that it was impossible for Ukraine to join NATO. Unlike your Russian friends NATO members have to be voted in and it has to be voluntary. And most of all no potential NATO member can be approved if they have an active conflict on their lands. Y'know, the Donbas war you claim was what kicked off this "SMO"? It wouldn't get past the first stage. It's written in black and white in the charter of NATO.

    Oh and you do realise that Latvia already a NATO member for years is closer to Moscow than Ukraine? Never mind that now after Putin's fcukup his border with NATO has doubled. Nice one Vlad. 🤦‍♂️

    Darya Dugina (journalist) R.I.P.

    You spelled "hard right ultra-nationalist fascist" wrong. Goebbels was a "journalist" too and had written over a dozen books. Oh and for your own "research" look up both the actual law and timeline and non signing of said laws around the Russian language in Ukraine. Though I find it hilarious that Russia of all places bitches about squashing languages after their post war Eastern Bloc nonsense, especially in the Baltics.

    But as sure as the sun rises at least a third of the above will be memory holed and the script changed by the Kremlin, if it suits, and the faithful will learn the new catechism ready to spread the UNBIASED good word.

    The Wagner coup a great example and a good example of how so very different, even alien Russian political culture truly is. Prigozhin at first berated the military leaders and their screwups, but then berated "grandpa in his bunker" and then went on to say that the reasons for the invasion were bogus, effectively repeating what Kiev had been saying and that it was a screwup from the start. He then invades Russia, panics the Kremlin, then some deal is worked out, a stash of his joke shop disguises are rolled out and within a couple of weeks he's back in the Kremlin glad handing African diplomats at an official Kremlin junket. Perfectly normal(save for the Russian service people who were killed by Wagner on Russian soil). Then he gets offed. Cos Putin. Can you imagine any of that happening in any other nation that's even vaguely open, democratic and normal? If that was a Hollywood script it would be rejected as being internally daft.

    But like I say that's been memory holed. As has the horrific ISIS slaughter of civilians in Moscow, among so many other things. But hey, keep on keeping on. Ukrainian spin can be "interesting" at times, but they do far less memory holing and are far less, well, weird. I await the next installment.

    PS Jimmy Dore, Roger Waters? Ah jaysus…😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,608 ✭✭✭✭Danzy




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,920 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,417 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Your the bigger idiot for wasting so much time on that nonsense.



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