Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

But academic studies disagree with you. Nothing about "universally working".

You claimed that they did agree with you. This wasn't true.

The fact you believe that NLP is legit and aren't aware of all of the evidence against it also makes me doubt that you are accurate with your claims about "psychology".

Neuro Lingustic Programming is nonsense. It's psuedoscience. It's marketing buzz words sold in scammy books to people who think it can work. And it's used by magicians to make mentalism tricks sound more modern.

It doesn't work at all. And it doesn't work in the way you are ascribing it, where politicians tell racist lies to mind control people into voting for them.

Nor have you made a very convincing argument that this is what Trump was doing rather than just telling a racist lie cause he was ranting and can't filter what he rants.

Lol just ignoring all of your falsehoods about NLP then? I will infer that you can't address these points.

And not sure why him "being in the corporate world" precludes him from ranting, being a racist or having no filter.

Especially when he's not a very good business man.

I don't believe that he was actually using a super secret corporate mind control technique (that does not actually work). You've not put forward a very good reason to believe this.

Yea, people aren't arguing that people can't believe things that aren't true.

People are disagreeing with your claims that Trump and co are using fake mind control magic as part of a clever strategy when they claimed foreign people are eating pets. People are disagreeing with your claims that these racist lies are going to be very effective in convincing undecided voters. People are pointing out that the majority of undecided people are actually just put off by such obvious racism and lies.

And that these unhinged claims are just going to result in more issues for Trump. It's given Dems plenty of fodder and with all of these bomb threats resulting from his racist lies, it's not a great look for him.

So if Trump actually did this cause of a strategy based on bullshit marketing nonsense that he doesn't realise doesn't work and has shot himself in the foot with it. Then good.

It appears Trumps method of influence is rubbing off on the opposition now:-Tim Waltz getting a hard time for his very minor indiscretions and embellishments - something most politicians do daily - would probably have been better had he made these outrageous lies - they’d probably have been more “effectively persuasive”-now voters are thinking can I trust this person? Bizzare yes.

“Many political psychologists and scientists quickly added that Walz’s mistruths pale compared to those told by former President Trump, who they argue has set the latest blueprint for competing in national politics.

Dr Jon Krosnick, a psychologist who studies political behavior at Stanford University, told DailyMail.com that Trump’s tendency to spout mistruths has transformed how politicians communicate and try to woo voters. 

It signals to other politicians that stretching the truth is a viable way of currying favor with voters and, ultimately, winning the post as the most powerful person in the world.

He said: ‘His perspective is, as long as I say stuff that convinces people to continue to support me, that might move some undecided people in the direction of supporting me. It doesn't matter whether it's true or not, just if it's effectively persuasive.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13822279/psychologist-explain-tim-walz-lies-kamala-harris-vice-president.html

The only people fearful right now are the people being targeted by bomb threats and the like in Ohio, by Trump's cowards phoning such things in.

For virtually everyone else, the last thing they're afraid of is migrants eating pets. It's a big joke that underscores how far Trump's mind has gone: "The people on television say my dog was taken and used for food!" Okay grandpa, time for bed.

Anyway here's my favorite of the viral remixes of his senior moment:

Mind control?
Sorry now - I’ve never said mind control

Grifters gotta grift.

What did you expect just over one month out from the election? It was clearly sign posted that this would be the MO.

If you wish to mock me to other posters go ahead, but it just shows to me a lack of any understanding around the science and tactics of influence and persuasion - these videos are not designed to influence you- they’re designed for the very few swing voters that are expected to disproportionately influence the outcome of this election.

THANK YOU. At last someone gets it.

I posted similar yesterday evening - Trump has done well in polls concerning security- much better than Biden (when the polls were done) - stoking up fear on the border makes security a higher agenda item - which favours Trump.

As for “seeing” cat eaters - no. It’s simply a device to associate something negative with the concept of immigrants - it’s difficult to stop thoughts coming into your mind - if you associate something extreme and grotesque with something else, say immigrants in this instance -in some people it can generate negative feelings towards that something that else - that’s all it is- and it works on many people . It’s how fraudsters extract millions from people every year - getting them to do something through manipulation of a situation and suggestion - it’s not rocket science and nor is it voodoo -

And the other thing they’re not talking about because they’re talking about cat eaters- is what points Harris made.

Anyone actually remember now what key election points Harris made? 🤪

This is all a dog whistle exercise in how to attack Harris in a racist way without actually been racist about Harris. It has a target demographic who are already Trump voters - it's not going to win the election as they are already locked in. It's a campaign strategy to remind voters that Harris is black without explicitly stating it.

Watch as the needle sticks firmly below the ceiling of 46% as testament to this inescapable fact.

The purpose of all this is to highlight how racist Trump is, but it's a losing strategy.

They are wasting their time because you can't make make a good case for him.
He is a racist, a rapist, a felon. He tried to subvert the result of the last last election.
On national US TV, he comes out with racist madeup drivel about immigrants eating pets.
40 out of 44 members of his previous administration refuse to endorse him.

If you go back through the citations and linked articles on this thread, very few are from RTE.
In most instances they are US content, the Guardian also.
So the claim it is only "whatever they hear on RTE" doesn't stand up to any kind of scrutiny.

If the vast majority of people looking at a situation assess it one way, people with access to information from home and abroad, maybe you should consider the possibility they making the right call on the available evidence.
Like the juries in Trump's trials when presented with the evidence.

You want to try to explain how Trumps economic plan inc tariffs will be good for Ireland? Global trade? The US economy?

i've not seen any link between cat eating and immigrants to help Trump. I've only seen the cat comments mocked non-stop and people saying Trump needs the Old Yeller treatment as the Big Macs have finally suffocated his last few brain cells.

The old all publicity is good publicity trope is generally nonsense.

It just takes up the oxegen so they don't have to talk about the non-existent policies

I had reservations about Clinton, which was a common enough sentiment among left leaning people. She forced herself in the nomination and it was widely talked about by liberals that it was a bad idea. She never engendered enthusiasm outside of the core Democrat base.

She was seen as a war monger and it was widely believed that if she was in power there would be a conflict in the Ukraine which she would initiate ( maybe she was right all along).

Self-righteous mental gymnastics to avoid the optics of being wrong. He made a statement, got corrected on it and is now doubling down to avoid admitting he is wrong.

It is like the Four Seasons fiasco after the election. A press conference was announced to be held at a Four Seasons hotel. The hotel told them to get lost and so, instead of simply sending out a correction/new venue amenable to them and showing they were wrong in that announcement, they went and had the presser in front of the "Four Seasons", a landscaping outlet.

Harris probably needs to use local media in the swing states, which I think she's doing. We may not see that message over here. She needs a more comprehensive economic policy to make the, cost of living, more affordable and articulate that message better. Above all, she has to electrify the Dems foot soldiers, to get out the vote. If Dems vote in large numbers, she wins.

I don’t believe he ever believed the statement in the first instance - it was in the same camp of that well worn phrase you often see posted here in jest when highlighting paranoia “they’re stealing our wimmins”

Like she's capable of articulating any of these points. She's a train wreck in front of a camera.

The bunker strategy might be her best bet.

Oh, I’m not saying they weren’t memorable lines. For sure they will be the main take aways from the debate. If that was the sole object of the exercise, then fine. But what makes you think that this will sway crucial voters in swing States ? My point is, this is appealing to his committed fan base only. He ain’t convincing anyone else.

“My point is, this is appealing to his committed fan base only. He ain’t convincing anyone else.”

See my post above that I’ve just posted on the BBC News programme - there were 3 commentators on that show and none of them said that the undecided are “Trump voters” - not one person.
What they did say though, having travelled those states and interviewed those voters is that two things are on their minds - the price of goods (ergo the economy) and immigration - but particularly the price of goods.

I’ve seen “Trump is only preaching to the converted now” statement many times on this thread - I’m sorry I don’t agree. And Harris can’t afford to take that advice either - she has to at least being seeing to try - otherwise post election if Trump wins, the key criticism will be “she didn’t get her message out there clearly” - I remember her comments from the debate on supporting small businesses - one of the few policy related comments that would impact positively on the economy-,but the voters complaining about supermarket prices aren’t small business owners looking for grants - two totally different audiences in general - she said nothing that would appease this audience and she need to

So says you ...

Gaining in Iowa, massive jump from Bidens last polling and more enthusiasm among Democrats than republicans. Could very easily go Blue.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2024/09/15/iowa-poll-donald-trump-iowa-lead-shrinks-as-kamala-harris-replaces-joe-biden/75180245007/