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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,233 ✭✭✭Daith


    No, there'll be "new" 40E route that doesn't go through Cabra. Or at least that was the plan the last time I checked. It will go down the Ballyboggan road and over the bridge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,079 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Is that also part of the Luas extension? Or will it mean further work later for the Luas?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,982 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Further work later for luas but luas will have it's own parallel bridge deck so not necessarily that disruptive to the existing bridge



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,849 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the 1st day of service for the N2 route on the 29th of September will be a big success for Dublin Bus & the NTA. However; the day after that will be a big test in how the new route will be able to withstand the pressure of carrying a huge amount of potential rail passengers to get on the route at Heuston Station, Broombridge & Clontarf Road Dart Station for the new working week which begins on the 30th of September onwards.

    As the N2 has gone through it's online promotion on the TFI website earlier this week; the new route now has two weeks to generate a huge amount of demand from people wanting to use the new service from the end of the month onwards to get them out to their school or other workplace all around the Northside of the capital.

    A similar or bigger amount of interest could eye up a huge amount of potential passengers in wanting to use the O route from Heuston Station when that route gets launched in the near future.

    Although the O route will be covering all of the spines on the southside as well as the northside of the capital. It's going to be very interesting to see whether the N2 will be able to withstand that big test of carrying a huge amount of passengers in the interim period to be a good test bed for the O route to be rolled out in Dublin in the near future.

    If the passenger numbers are going to be good for the N2. The numbers in using the O route could be even better if the N2 has a successful 1st week of service if it links up well with other transport services around the northside of Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,429 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    FYI the N2 will be operated by GoAhead



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,982 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Will the N2 be a double decker?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭mrsdewinter


    I'm sorry - here's another dumb question about the N2 and Broombridge: isn't the bridge one-way? Will the new service run both ways over the bridge? From a quick look at the route, I can see where the in/outbound routes diverge at, eg, NCR, but I didn't see any similar info at Broombridge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    The bridge itself is only one lane wide, but there is a traffic light system in place to allow for 2-way traffic over it.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,499 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    I was wondering myself, so I took a stroll down to take a look. While not under construction yet, there are clear markings on the road for a new west bound stop in between.

    I couldn’t find any indication of a new east bound stop in that area. Hopefully I just missed it or it hasn’t been marked out yet, it is definitely needed to connect to the E spines, the other stops are too far of a walk for good integration.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,499 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Ah total brain fart, I totally forgot the east bound it will have to go up and around the “triangle” and thus it can just stop at the 13 stop, so no need for a new stop in that direction and great interchange in that direction.

    Though perhaps they should move or put the southbound 13/E stop closer to the junction.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,567 ✭✭✭VG31


    I thought the existing stop outside St Michael's House might be too close to allow enough space to get into the right turning lane. However I suppose it's not much different to the eastbound N6 stop by Santry Park.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,233 ✭✭✭Daith


    I'm hoping with the N2 that it'll be able to align with the 40e somewhat. The 40e only runs every 30 mins, but it would be great people aren't waiting too long for a N2 so it could be a viable connection at Broombridge



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,567 ✭✭✭VG31


    Yes, SG class buses have been transferred from Dublin Bus to Go Ahead for the N2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,762 ✭✭✭Midnight_EG


    GAI won't know what hit them once they start dealing with the City 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    They already do. Did you forget about their Kildare routes?



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,499 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Sigh, out of curiosity I took a look at the BusConnects infrastructure plans for this area and while their is some positive, there is a lot of stupidity!

    On the positive it will include a new south bound stop near the junction on the west side of the triangle. So the N2 could stop there either in addition to the St Michael’s house stop or instead of.

    Now for the stupidity, the plans don’t show the new west bound bus stop I mentioned above and instead have a two way bike lane going through it!

    They also seem to be planning to turn the southern end of the triangle from two lanes (two westbound), to four lanes (2 x westbound general traffic lanes, one westbound bus lane and one east bound general traffic lane)!

    Would it not make more sense to have the east bound traffic lane as a bus lane for the N2 with a N2 bus stop on the southern arm of the triangle? Or leave it as a general traffic lane that the N2 can use too, but at least put an N2 bus top there?

    It feels like they have completely forgotten about or ignored the N2 in making these plans!

    Again it feels like another example of a lack of integrated planning.

    As an aside if they are putting a two way cycle lane on this part of Griffith Avenue, can they do it for the rest of Griffith Avenue too, it would be so much better then the current mess of poor quality one way cycle lane it currently has.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭TranslatorPS


    Honestly, that's something that's easily checked between the two routes.

    In the above table, dark red waiting times are inserted if the shortest waiting time is under 6' to show what the previous/next departure allows for.

    Mon-Fri isn't an issue because of N2's f-15, although the midday f-20 on N2 doesn't mesh too well with 40E's f-30. Weekends are a complete coin toss, as the N2 sports a rather uniform f-30 throughout the day, while the 40E can't settle between f-30 on Saturday mornings, f-40 midday and f-50 in the evenings. On Saturdays about every fourth N2 will leave you waiting for it beyond the next N2, on Sundays that happens with every third if not every second N2. The absolute worst part of this are Sunday mornings, where the earliest 40E arrivals mean sitting around for 50 to 65 minutes.

    The main consistent thing across the entire week is that the last two N2s won't meet any 40Es, you need the third-last 23.00 ex Clontarf or 22.55 ex Heuston service to get to Tyrrelstown this way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,233 ✭✭✭Daith


    Thanks for that. I guess with the 40D and N4 too, there might be some other ways for people who might need that connection too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭thomasj


    Also when the B spine comes about you'll have the B3 connection at manor street/stoneybatter and further along the Navan Road at the Garda station



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭TonyK45


    Yes some of the layovers at each end are extreme! L54 75mins allowed for a route that never takes longer than 40.

    G-spine - sometimes nearly two hours allowed - at certain times of the day - now unless there is a major accident on the M50 - which brings the whole county to a stand-still - there is no way it takes two hours from The Point to Liffey Valley or Red Cow. The whole problem, I think is this fixation with 'clockface' timetables. Okay for low freqency route - but doesn't matter a jot for frequent services.



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,499 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Yes it is a bit odd for bus services. Intercity type services, sure hourly or every 30 minutes between the ends makes a lot of sense. But for buses, consistent frequency is more what matters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,220 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,220 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Apparently wicklow doesn't exist for this 😅

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,220 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    There was a load of posts on Facebook Bray Open Forum today (that have disappeared) stating the E Spine and and all the L routesin Wicklow are happening in November.

    I see NTA has Phase 6a for N2 and just says all the  E1, all the L routes for Wicklow are "in the coming months"

    https://www.transportforireland.ie/getting-around/by-bus/n2-orbital-route/#:~:text=Phase%206a%20of%20the%20BusConnects,operated%20by%20Go%2DAhead%20Ireland.

    Has anyone more information about timing of E1 etc?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,567 ✭✭✭VG31


    Apparently the 24th November is the planned start date.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭TranslatorPS


    Full N2 timetable for all stops now available at bustimes.org →

    https://bustimes.org/services/n2-clontarf-station-heuston-train-stn

    Just click on the "all stops" radio button for the direction you want, as by default the website is in the UK mode of "timing points" only.

    On that note, the N2 looks like a PVR of 5 on weekends, at least 6 in Mon-Fri interpeak and at least 8 in Mon-Fri peaks. A skimpy scheduler would do 6 and 8 respectively, a safe-playing scheduler would do 7 and 9, a resource-pressed scheduler would ask "how many drivers can we actually put out".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,628 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Looking at the map of the route and stops, it won’t actually go into Broombridge station but will serve it outside on Broombridge Road.

    Presumably with the L62 and the L89 both terminating at the station in due course, it might get a bit tight to bring the N2 in as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,233 ✭✭✭Daith


    Broombridge does get a bit tight even with the 40e and some cars dropping people off or waiting for them.

    Though they could remove the central area and make some room.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,499 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Interesting, on the Ballymun Road it shows it stopping at a new stop on Mobhi Road, basically the east side of the triangle. I’m not sure that stop is actually built yet, I’ll have to pop over and take a look.

    Though I hope they will have the E spine routes stopping at this stop too soon. And not the crazy situation on Collins Avenue where you have the 16 and 14 skipping new N4 stops for years now!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,567 ✭✭✭VG31


    I wouldn't get your hopes up too much! The same thing happens with the N6 stops on the Swords Road.



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