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Greatest League in the World 2024 [LOI Thread]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,557 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    The article suggests that there are prospective owners, but that they won't want to inherit all the debt, which is why the administration process is the only viable option. I'm not clever enough on company law to try and put my own spin on what will happen (and there'll be enough silly people without the knowledge to back up their talk doing that already) so actual media and club statements are probably the only real things I can work off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,383 ✭✭✭topmanamillion


    There was an American interested but he's ran away, presumably after seeing the state of the figures.

    The facts are Stephen McGuiness, PFAI, has gone in and seen how bad it is. He's given an interview to say they could go bust in weeks.

    Subsequently the club have come out with a statement this evening saying they've a crucial "24 hours" ahead.

    For an administrative process to work there has to be a route to returning to trading. Dundalk don't have that. There's talk of debts in excess of €2 million+ and they're losing 20k/month.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭waynescales1


    How much do you get for winning the league? Would it make financial sense for Shels to bail Dundalk out?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭sidcon


    Ha, please don't give me such a laugh this early in the morning.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,797 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭Patrick2010




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    bookies not taking bets on LOI champions now



  • Registered Users Posts: 84 ✭✭esker72


    Wondering who all the money is owed to. Players seem to be up to date, doesn't seem to be the revenue and the banks hardly gave them credit. There'll be the old favourites of bus comapnies and hotels but that can't add up to huge amounts. They become viable if they can get debts written off, drop to division 1 and cut their wage bill but it will depend on who they owe the money to and if they can get a deal done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,557 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    Ex LOI player Barry Murphy tweeting that Dundalk can’t apply for a licence in any guise if they go under for next season.


    Thats got to intensify the efforts to find any possible route to get through these final weeks, but by the sounds of it Ainscough won’t play ball at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,229 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    that doesn't mean there can't be any entity in Dundalk looking for a licence though, it can't mean that.

    If a fan group could get the use of Oriel then that's probably enough to at least have a presence in D1 of some description



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,041 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    It'll be something like Dundalk Football Club have folded.

    Then a fans group will set up Dundalk Footballing Club, and carry on like nothing happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,557 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    Apparently licence applications would have had to be submitted already. I’m not saying that I know this. I’m saying the source I mentioned (who has been covering the situation in depth) has said this.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,797 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    If a group of Dundalk fans are able to put together a somewhat coherent plan and apply for a licence, it will be granted. Exceptions will be made. However if the current Dundalk FC still exists it will be more difficult.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,557 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    You’d think it’d be a bad exception for them to make, if the rule is ever to hold any water.

    Wouldn’t make much sense for anyone with any interest in funding Dundalk to pay up now, when they can do it with a clean slate next season.



  • Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭Dogsdodogsstuff


    @patrick2010

    I think it would be

    Derry 44 points GD 15 Games left 6
    Shels 43 points GD 10 Games left 7
    Sligo 39 points Games left 5
    Rovers 38 points GD 11 games left 7

    Pats 34 points GL 7

    Waterford points 33 GL 6

    Galway 31 points GL 7

    Bohs 29 points GL 7

    Drogheda 21 points GL 6

    Rovers ,Derry and Shels have all to play each other once more. Those games could decide it. The shels v Derry game on last day could end up being a game where one of them could hand the title to rovers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,328 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    this is a good question. Anyone know the answer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,557 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    Deadline to be extended apparently with them in talk with 2 groups over a deal according to the42.ie



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,043 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    THe radio news said 5pm is the deadline.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,557 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    That was the case but not anymore. It’s been extended, not confirmed until when yet. No guarantee that extension even gets them to Sligo on Saturday but they won’t go today.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,383 ✭✭✭topmanamillion


    If Dundalk go bust at this stage, there's no chance another entity can be put together before the start of next year. It's not like the good old JD days where you'd just ring up Cabo and ask if they were alright for socks.

    The Dundalk fan group is in no way capable of forming a club and I'm not sure "investors" will be too keen on taking over a First Division club playing out of Oriel - a pitch which they got a dispensation for this year and requires around 500k of work to be up to Premier Division standard.

    A year out of football ala Limerick/Treaty where Treaty entered teams in the youth leagues before entering one in the First Division seems likely. Enter Shams B in the meantime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭ratracer


    A mate sent me this table earlier today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,043 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Yeah you'd have to say that would immediately kill off any hopes of euro football for a couple of clubs. Creates a definite split in the table to a Top 4.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,229 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    Someone told me that if there are 27 games played then all results stand, unsure how true it is, but the information comes from someone high up in a club.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,043 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Sounds like crap.

    Sure some teams will have played against Dundalk more than others, and some might have to play them again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,229 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    yeah could be



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,383 ✭✭✭topmanamillion


    The wage bill is about €1.5 million. Their overall budget is around €2 million. Their income has fallen year on year without Europe and title challenges. So it's easy to see how their accumulating debt of around €2 million. Ainscough was plugging holes as well and some debt is owed to him in directors loans. Now he's stopped paying bills there's no money to pay anyone's wages.

    Even at that, they'll still owe people wages. They're most likely prioritising paying players to meet licencing and avoid a points deduction but there'll be other people on the payroll who won't be getting paid. The total wage bill for players, coaches and other staff is €120,000/month. No way they're meeting that obligation in full.

    Then there's the likes of Zahibo who Peak 6 had on anything up to 200k/year (I'm probably understating it) and is taking them to court for unpaid wages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭ratracer


    It really screws Galway and Waterford to the huge benefit of Sligo/ Shamrock Rovers alright.



  • Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭Dogsdodogsstuff


    difference to top 4 is Rovers and shels have 7 games, Derry 6 and Sligo 5



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,797 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Revenue are also owed money.



  • Registered Users Posts: 84 ✭✭esker72


    Even if total wage bill is €120k, it's paid monthly and last week they came out and said the wages had been brought up to date. There might be office staff and others not getting paid but it's not getting to a significant figure and certainly not to €2M. For their sake I'm hoping that Ainscough put in some money and that's been included in the debts. He may be looking for new investors to clear that but realistically that's not going to happen and he'll have to write most or all of it off as he's in no position to negotiate. He could just dig his heels in and let it fall down but there's no benefit to him of doing that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭Smell the glove


    Government have just committed to funding up to 500k for Dundalk to upgrade the floodlights and pitch.......



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,797 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    No use for paying down debts.

    Assume the idea of announcing this is to make it more attractive for investors.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭budgemook


    What would Dundalk going under mean for relegation spots?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,274 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    Dundalk would take the relegation spot and whoever finishes bottom of the remaining 9 is in the playoff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,557 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    Incase this is mistaken for them trying to save Dundalk, it was a grant they were going to get before all this became apparent.

    Unquestionably you’ll still see the usual types outraged that it can’t go towards paying off their debts/wages they agreed to pay



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    Assume they mean points wise, any team getting an advantage etc.

    Ignore can see it above, no real change



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,274 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    Assumed not as that was covered above, wasn't it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,870 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    Pretty much. Even if the club properly goes under, a new entity will arrive next season (or at worst 2026) and claim to be a direct continuation of the current club.

    Hopefully it doesn't get to that point though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,557 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    The mad bit is that if Dundalk come through this with their squad paid and motivated, they’d have a real chance of staying up.


    Nothing between them and Drogheda, and no First Division teams to have real fear over either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,383 ✭✭✭topmanamillion


    Dreamer stuff. No chance a squad that have had missed pay days and know they won't be playing for Dundalk next year are focused on anything other than getting the hell out of the exit door.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,043 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    It feels like it's only delaying the inevitable.

    Hopefully the talk of a new pitch coming for free might persuade someone to take a punt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,557 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    The talk of a takeover that has come about in the last 2 hours is the exact kind of thing that would put a different mood in the building.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,369 ✭✭✭✭Oat23


    I certainly don't be writing whatever Dundalk side arrives at the Showgrounds on Saturday. Last time players went unpaid in the league they refused to train and only played matches to help avoid a points deduction, yet they still beat us.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭waynescales1


    Big win for Rovers away to Galway tonight. Rovers away to Derry this weekend is huge. If they beat them and Shels fail to beat Galway away, then I think Rovers go favourites for the title. (All assuming Dundalk see out the season.)

    Edit: Just noticed Rovers are home to Bohs on the Monday, 3 days after the trip to Derry, be very tough to get 6 points from this weekend.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,797 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Football player must be the only job in the world where you're still seemingly expected to show up to work when you aren't being paid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,274 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    Sickened we lost that. We were comfortable second half and had chances of our own. Rovers moved us around early in the game and didn't take their chances but we upped it second half and were much improved.

    I don't like to pick on refs but felt Doyle gave Rovers every 50/50 or just frees where there weren't any.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,043 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Equally it could be said its the only job where you don't have to try a leg if you don't want to, and still get paid your wages.



  • Registered Users Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Niall_76


    I think Doyle was just rubbish all around. Blew for a mystery free out for Clearys disallowed goal. I think it was cause of the anger of the Galway bench after the goal. He likes to be centre of attention.

    Why has he reffed so few games this year? Is he semi retired?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭deisedude


    You have clearly never heard of the public sector 🤣



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭ratracer


    Yeah ref was disgraceful. Cleary shoild have been sent off in the first half but ref bottled it.
    In fairness though, Rovers were the better side. The manner which Galway conceded both was particularly galling as we’ve been defensively strong all season.
    Did Pohl’s even have to make a decent save all night?



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