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Hezbollah pager explosions

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Rezident


    Unlikely, batteries melt or go on fire, they would not cause large fatal explosions all at the exact same time. It really is brilliant.

    Also, if you have a chance to modify the pagers, just use explosives. But how did they get to all the pagers? That is amazing. Presumably the pagers came from Iran?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    oh but it’s not even subtle unlike your whataboutery

    —-

    ”Despite the disclaimer by some Muslims, the truth is very clear. The 

    72 Virgins

    notion has its origins in the Qur'an. Although the holy book does not specify the number as 72, it does say that those who fight in the way of Allah and are killed will be given a great reward. It goes on to stipulate that Muslims will be awarded with women in Islamic heaven. It even describes their physical attributes—large eyes (Q 56:22) and big, firm, round "swelling breasts" that are not inclined to sagging (Q 78:33). The Qur'an refers to these virgins as houri, companions of equal age, but the highly-flavored emphasis of their bodily characteristics, including their virginity, gave rise to many hadiths and other Islamic writings. 

    Hadith 2687 is where the number 72 is mentioned. "The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and 72 houri, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San'a."

    Qur'anic commentator Al-Suyuti (died 1505) and Orthodox Muslim theologians such as al Ghazali (died 1111 CE) and Al-Ash'ari (died 935 CE) graphically elaborated sensual pleasures attributed to Muslims in paradise". Al-Suyuti wrote, "Each time we sleep with a Houri we find her virgin. Besides, the penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal; the sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it in this world you would faint. Each chosen one [i.e. Muslim] will marry seventy houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all will have appetizing vaginas."

    On the whole, the Qur'an and the hadiths are filled with sexual fantasies that Muslim men are awarded when they reach Islamic heaven. Anas bin Malik, an Islamic scholar, claimed that "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number…The Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)." Muhammad (hadith 24) apparently claimed that devout Muslimswould be given the sexual strength of 100 persons upon their arrival in Heaven. (This is apparently more than what was attributed to the prophet himself).

    The sexual obsession by Muslim men as conveyed by Islamic writings, takes its cue from the founder of the religion.  The description depicts him as a sexual predator. Aisha, Muhammad's wife since she was a nine-year-old girl, described her sexual experiences with the prophet. When she was six years old, he could not have intercourse with her due to her young age. As a consolation prize, he placed his penis between her thighs and massaged it softly. Aisha explained that unlike other believers, the prophet had control over his penis."

    Being consistent with its sexual obsession and predatory practices, the Qur'an permits pedophilia (sura 65:4). It also discusses rape in detail. It lets you know that men can rape female slaves and captives (Q 23:6), even in front of their husbands (Q 4:24). Other writings advise that when having sex with captives, it's better if you don't pull out at the end (Sahih Bukhari 3:46:718).”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,196 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It definitely falls under the category of "state terrorism". It couldn't possibly be referred to as a conventional military operation, not when there was no way of knowing who the explosive devices would kill or injure at any of the numerous explosion locations. Also, the point of the multiple blasts seems to have been to terrorise Hezbollah and the Lebanese population - the very definition of a terrorist act.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,276 ✭✭✭combat14


    one doubts hezbollah whipped out their credit card and bought electronics from israel so far taiwan is only clue



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Rezident


    The explosives could have been in the batteries themselves. In theory, you could have a working lithium battery with explosive added.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Rezident


    FT reporting a Hezbollah assassination attempt on an Israeli official was foiled.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭ZeroThreat


    Tbh I figure little Tiffany was up to no good, why would someone that age have a quantum physics book and be in such a rough location. The true target in disguise!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭thatsdaft




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭ZeroThreat


    Well if you're willing to accept collateral damage of hundreds by dropping a 2000 lb 'dumb' bomb onto a densely populated civilian area to try to eliminate even a single suspected terrorist, this is probably a much milder action.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,276 ✭✭✭combat14


    israeli thinking on hezbollah terrorists after pager strike - looks like the plan was to sow chaos in the iranian backed terrorist group perhaps before an israeli campaign in lebanon to make northern israel safe for civilians again:

    "Effective groups, whether militaries, terrorist groups, cartels, gangs, or corporations, need to have good communication. A group like Hezbollah needs this to mobilize people and coordinate attacks. It can’t coordinate the launch of large numbers of missiles if it can’t get men to the launchers. Hezbollah requires a way to get in touch with its fighters. It will need to scramble now to replace its pagers or other devices."

    https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-820559



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Ardent


    Ask threeball, he has the inside line on this Mossad operation and what the Israelis knew/didn't know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,082 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    It seems to be like something you’d do before launching a ground invasion and if they’ve had these pagers for 5 months already and only decided to detonate it today I think that gives more credence to that theory.



  • Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭billgibney


    Did you see her photo.

    Completely covered from head to toe in a burka. She was condemned to a life of misery, probably going to be married to her cousin in a year or two.

    Probably better off dead

    Poster warned and 1 day forum ban applied

    Post edited by Beasty on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 914 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Dead children. "Genius stuff".



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    The worst assaults since Nazi Germany are happening before our eyes and it's time people woke up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭highpitcheric


    is it really that genius though.

    (non-partisan).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 914 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    It's remarkable what people will support when the enemy has been dehumanised. Imagine if the UK had gotten a thousand of these into the hands of the IRA back in the day, and just set off a thousand explosions in people's homes and pubs and cars killing and injuring anyone who happens to be around them. It's obscene.

    "That 10-year-old girl in Armagh died because of her father, not because of the bomb that exploded in his pocket."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Jizique


    They Were designed to cause a very small explosion, which is why there were thousands injured and only ten killed - even if a group of these terrorists were all sitting in a couple of rows, this would not have taken down a normal jet.

    The level of support for Hezbollah and Hamas here is mind-boggling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 914 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    It's pretty naive to think they were designed that way. If Israel could have fit a 2,000lb bomb into a pager, they would have.

    And drop the charade that anyone who has a problem with this supports Hezbollah and Hamas. Setting off so many bombs when you have no idea where they are or who they will hurt is insanity. Would you be able to pull the trigger on them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,328 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Listen, when innocent people are hurt and it's called out, that's what's happening here. It doesn't indicate support for a terrorist group.

    It's bizarre leaps in logic that lead to this point. Hezbollah are a terrorist group. They're bad because they commit terror attacks. These attacks are indiscriminate. they hurt civilians and are designed to cause terror.

    Yet if we apply the same standards to the israeli state, when they commit acts designed to cause terror, we're suddenly on the side of Hezbollah.

    So let's set things straight. Hezbollah are scum. Hamas are scum. They are scum because of their actions. However, the israeli state, especially under it's current far right government, are scum too. They're all scum because of their actions.

    This is the point where someone calls me antisemitic. However for some reason, no-one ever calls me Islamophobic or anti arab.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,328 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Israel are a country. Correct. However they want to erase palestine from the map. they are slowly committing genocidal actions.

    Being a country Vs not being a country, is a very weird way of determining morality. I'm sure we could all mention loads of states where the state has committed horrific acts. Being a state does not make it's actions moral.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭plodder


    Report in IT saying:

    Sky News Arabia reported that Mossad, the Israeli national intelligence agency, got hold of the pagers before they were recently delivered to the militants and placed a quantity of PETN, a highly explosive material, on the batteries of the devices, and detonated them by remotely raising the temperature of the batteries.

    There has to be more to it than that. You can't just remotely raise the temperature of the batteries on random devices, in a predictable way, unless you have control over the software running on the device. I'd say Israel are leaking information selectively here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Legitimate “defence” forces don’t consistently break international law and steal other countries lands. Or would you claim the Russian defence forces are legitimate too??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    because for the last 50 years I’ve had to look at them killing people on the news year in year out , Israel kill children , women … it doesn’t seem to matter … they seem to love killing the locals along with stealing all their land and then playing the victim card themselves …. Horrible nation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Thank you for clarifying and I wish more would follow your lead in outright condemnation of Hamas and Hezbollah, plus all the iranian-supported militias - I would note this was pretty targeted and few "innocent people" seem to have been hurt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,595 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    SKY NEWS WERE THE ONE WHO TOLD US 8 PLANES HAD CRASHED IN 9/11

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    By killing the locals and stealing their lands for the past 60-70 years Israel have driven people to attacking the Bully Israel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,568 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    This is an appalling indiscriminate attack



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Apr username. What century is the book that gives Israelis the right to their land from??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Lebanon used to be a wonderful place a generation ago, it was a centre of commerce and often described as a playground of the middle east - these islamists want to turn it into a caliphate with no room for any non-muslims of the hard core variety; we could say much the same about Iran, so I really wonder what these have in common



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭facehugger99




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,786 ✭✭✭brickster69


    According to the Taiwanese company the pagers were made in Europe. Should be quite easy to track down soon enough.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    They massacred people for the crime of not being Muslim. They turned the country into a bloodbath and made the capital city's name shorthand for chaos and destruction.

    They included the socialists who helped bring them to power in their indiscriminate killing which should serve as a warning for all the lefty wing nuts who cheerlead for Islamic extremist groups today, they're only every seen as useful idiots.

    There's no moral high ground to be claimed in these situations, which renders anything other than expressions of disbelief and horror at what goes on in that region utterly misguided.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,294 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    You are victim blaming and you are justifying the death of a child



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭plodder


    European company using cheap Chinese sounding brand name … 😀

    You couldn't make this stuff up. It's fascinating though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭flatty


    Genius?

    Firstly it's not Hezbollah, it's indiscriminate civilians. It's absolutely obscene.

    Genius? You probably like the ingenuity of cluster bombs too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,159 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    the "what ifs" and "think about/imagines" are hilarious at this point. All off course pretending that the attack was completely indiscriminate not targetting members of Hezbollah.

    I'm surprised no one has tried to claim these devices were gifted to children during school yet. Just gotta keep twisting things against Israel facts/reality be damned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,798 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    This "war" beggars belief. There are obviously faults on every side but the amount of innocent people killed or seriously injured in the conflict since October alone is beyond sad.

    This latest attack is the most worrying of all - until the details are out anyway - it appears to be a completely indiscrimate attack on individuals with no care for the consequences of/for collateral damage.

    I will be interested to hear how this was done, purely from a security standpoint as it should worry everyone globally, how state actors have the capability to pull this type of attack off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,187 ✭✭✭Cordell


    I suppose you have the luxury of taking this moral high ground from the safety of your home, but israeli don't. They are fighting a war against multiple hostile states and terrorist organisations who don't respect any international laws. One civilian casualty for almost 3000 militant targets, that's as close as you get to a clean surgical strike. It's indeed sad that it came to this, but it's not Israel's fault. They are defending their people and country by any means necessary.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 914 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    I wonder how the guys who tamper with these devices feel. Do they love their job? Like these things are designed to explode at children's eye-level. Does that occur to them?

    Sounds like a dream job for some people on here but surely not everyone is like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Jizique


    During school classes in the local Islamic school where the kids, both male and female, in mixed schools, were being taught the Irish curriculum on HPSE, covering gender identity, masturbation, anal sex and same sex relationships



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,568 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Expanding your territory is not defending your country and people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,786 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    no matter what people use they can be compromised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭carveone


    You're right. Sky is peddling complete garbage here. It's funny, as soon as Sky puts someone on TV who "expertly" talks about something I actually have 10 years experience with, I see immediately that they're talking through their ass.

    I remember my Da shouting at the TV after the Concorde crash. He worked in aircraft maintenance for 40 years and could see all the TV experts were just making things up to get on TV. Makes you wonder about all the rest of their news, doesn't it. How much made up news is steering opinion which creates policy which starts wars.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,212 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Reports that the tamper had been discovered so was decided to page them before anything got out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,212 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The people aghast at this operation just see Hezbollah as tough on Jews, they don't see that they are pretty savage to their own and others as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,595 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    Logical scenario as doing it during a ground invasion would have been the objective.

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,294 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    yeah yeah yeah, we heard it all before. Israel is the only state in the area which has the right to defend itself even if that means it carries out terrorism, offensive actions and genocide….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,212 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It's taking out its enemies who started attacking it last Oct.

    It's just acting rationally.



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