Hezbollah pager explosions

Spot on.

Oh yeah those 4 year olds were certainly " combatants " alright. BTW it doesn't even come close to the largest targeted killing spree. The Yanks killing close on 200 thousand Japanese civilians are way out in front.

You sound like the British government circa 1980 talking about sinn Fein.

Seven likes?

Did you read up on how many children were ingeniously maimed or slain, or did you bother?

Israel does not care about innocents being killed. They murder them deliberately and have done for many years.

Indeed. They love death and actually back those causing it. Some saying that Israel is actually doing it for peace !! You couldn't make it up.

Assuming Israel appears to have "embraced" this new terrorist playbook methodology, what do you think their red line is for its use?

Will they limit it to "combatants" or do you think they'd be happy enough to go ahead and neutralise others they simply don't like?

Reminds me of the Russian Novichock assassinations…

Its a bit rich of Israel to complain about others ignoring UN resolutions when it regularly ignores them. However I agree that Hezbollah should return to the north of Litani as should Israel abide by the ruling from the ICJ on the West Bank.

I see this attack as an attempt to avoid an all out war. Gallant was about to be sacked so I don't believe these attacks were done prematurely, it was done to save his skin and try to avoid an all out war. Which is why the Americans likely approved it. Nasrallah and the rest of the Hezbollah leadership have been humiliated and the foot soliders are in disarray. I have a feeling Hezbollah would be secretly delighted with a ceasefire now in Gaza to give them an exit ramp. This is why the Americans should put real pressure on Bibi now to agree a ceasefire. Why has no one suggested sending in a neutral force to the philidelphia corridor if that is really the sticking point.

And still Hamas/Palestine won’t surrender and release the hostages.

Why should Israel offer a ceasefire? It would only encourage the terrorists to rinse and repeat as their tactics would have been proven to be successful.

Danzy, surely you can realise the difference between an ally of Western countries committing genocide and <insert-whatever-random-country-or-militants=here> committing it somewhere else? In terms of what coverage you would expect in the media?

I mean there are ~100k killed in the recent and ongoing Sudanese civil war. Now, if the US decided to kill 50k of it's black citizens do you think that whataboutery would get much traction - "yeah well you can't give out about the US doing it when it's only a fraction of those killed in Sudan".

Israel gets more blowback as it pretends to hold itself up to "Western" standards. It also gets directly funded from the West. The Sudanese aren't garnering much headlines, but if one side was committing genocide against another, and the former was getting massive funding and weaponry from the UK to do so, you can bet that there'd be a lot about that aspect of it in our media.

the Americans should put real pressure on Bibi now to agree a ceasefire

I feel you misunderstand the real situation.

So much escalation by Israel has occurred just after consultation with the USA. It shouldn't take much imagination to join the dots there.

Oh dear do you now think it was exploding coke bottles?

it's not their job to surrender and they can't surrender anyway as this is not a war and the IDF are themselves a terrorist organisation.
israel have to be forced into a sease fire and full sanctions imposed upon it to protect the middle east and the west.

Why should Israel offer a ceasefire?

Well, there are reports of 500,000 and 2,000,000 Israelis having left Israel since October 2023.The reality is probably somewhere in between - but the numbers are only going to increase. Like in NI, in essence it's a numbers game, and those numbers are working against Israel, just as they work against the Unionists in the north. Israeli/Jewish emigration from Palestine is only going to speed up the implosion of Israel.

If they had treated the native Palestinians with a modicum of humanity they could have managed the situation to their long-term advantage, but Netanyahoo's way is going to leave Israel on the brink of extinction owing to Jews fleeing, not from the Ayrabs, but from the monster they have created themselves.

Well, there are reports of 500,000 and 2,000,000 Israelis having left Israel since October 2023

Those figures are nonesense.

Do you have a link to those reports?

The population of Israel has been steadily increasing between 1970 and 2020 according to Google and Wikipedia.

I'm not your nurse pjohnson. Apologies if I confused you. Easily done. I'll leave it at that.

Israeli data is hard to come by, and different bodies have different methods of counting how many have emigrated.

Having studied the available sources over a number of years, all I can confirm is that Israeli data on the matter is suspect. Mostly what is available is media reports, and none clearly based on actual facts. One source claimed that a million Israelis live in the US, but hard data isn't available - and as so many Israelis have dual nationality, they may not show up as Israeli in US statistics.

Here are some links:

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240719-285-spike-in-israelis-leaving-country/

Take what you will from them, it's a variety of sources from differing viewpoints.

How are they a thread to the west, while the middle east is well able to **** it's self up without Israeli intervention

Is it possible a viral message got sent to these devices that caused an instant battery thermal runaway event?

Nice antisemitism there.

A normal man. Hezbollah is a terrorist organisation . He probably is a member of that group maybe just going to a shop

Ordinary civilians have no reason to use those pagers when they can buy a android phone cheap those pagers are used by Hezbollah because they think phones can be tracked and are vulnerable to being hacked by Israeli intelligence organisations

There Is anti semitism,no doubt, but you'd like to be able conflate all criticism of Israel as anti semitism. The vast majority of posts are not anti semitic.

I understand the situation perfectly. Nethanyu has the Democrats snookered in an election year. If they were to put real pressure on Israel, like threatening to suspend military aid, the Republicans would then brand them as Hamas sympathisers.

At the same time I don't think Joe Biden wants this to escalate to an all out war. Which maybe why the US Government agreed to this escalation in the hope it would demoralise Hezbollah and appease Israel. One thing that has been abundantly clear is that Nasrallah in his speeches is desperate to avoid an all out war too. Hezbollah through bank channels has communicated this to the US. This latest incident will discourage them further.

If it was a simple as you state, why do you think this war (and all the others going back 80 years) has not been solved?

Where do the illegal settlers taking land in the West Bank fit into this "binary" problem?

I'm fairly sure there are many terrorists who have the same thoughts as you - they shed no tears for the Israeli "terrorists" killed on Oct 7th and the manner of their death was also too good for them.
I guess this is a good part of the reason of why the situation is where it is…

It is anything but simple or binary.