Hezbollah pager explosions

Out of whiskey here unfortunately. Not enough supplies to comprehend this thread.

I know this is not "Ireland" thread. Plenty of blood on this nation's hand, isn't it. I've always kind of thought it's pretty rich to comment and judge others without actually facing their own problems.

Of course. Out of arguments, calling the Charter. As usual.

It's amazing how far some will go to present actors like Hezbollah etc as not being the problem, not being the drivers of all of this.

But it's not surprising given that we've seen posters in this thread use the kind of language about Israelis that would not have been out of place in a 1930s Nuremberg rally.

I just checked the defintion of colony. From Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colony

A colony is a territory subject to a form of foreign rule.[1][2] Though dominated by the foreign colonizers, the rule remains separate to the original country of the colonizers, the metropolitan state (or "mother country"), which together have often been organized as colonial empires, particularly with the development of modern imperialism and its colonialism.

A colony requires a Metropole. Israel proper (at least within the 1967 borders) cannot by definition qualify as a colonial venture because there is no Jewish metropole. Israel is the only home of the Israeli people, or nearly half the worlds Jews.

@SeanW

It's amazing how far some will go to present actors like Hezbollah etc as not being the problem, not being the drivers of all of this.

I guess it depends on what you define as "the problem".

Your view, I think, is that somehow, many "anti-Israeli" posters here somehow hate either Israel or the Jews. The jump is then made that those posters are therefore pro Hamas/Hezbollah.

For the posters I read and agree with, and for myself, the problem is that Israel is destroying Gaza and its innocent people, putting the entire Middle East on a war footing, promoting illegal settlements and land grabbing in the West Bank and now jeopardizing innocent civilians in Lebanon. Israel has also abandoned its own hostages and their families.

I couldn't care less if Hamas, Hezbollah and the IDF buggered off to some remote location and simply kicked seven colours out of each other until none of them was left.

Israel absolutely has the right to defend itself against the abhorrent acts of Hamas and Hezbollah- but not at the expense of innocents (of any and all sides).

A Jewish baby murdered by Hamas is no different to an Arab baby murdered by the IDF. They did nothing and yet their lives were snuffed out in an instant.

I agree with you Sean - Hezbollah is the problem, Hamas is the problem. But do you agree that Israel is also the problem?

And I believe Israel is the main driver in this - they have the weapons, the manpower and the might. And by God, they are using them.

using that twitter profile as a source of information is not a good idea

Its just what popped up, other sources are available

Killing tonnes of civilians is a sure way to create people who will want to seek revenge on you and yours. It's just a circle of violence that some politicians like Netanyahu appear to live off

It's also another way to ensure they have more members to replace them. There was a retired Israeli soldier on YouTube saying that the future of Hamas was secured because relatives of those people killed in Gaza would be queueing up to join. Stealing the property of the people in the WB will also increase their numbers. Maybe treating people properly would be a better way.

The Jews in Iran are the biggest Jewish community in the middle east outside of Israel.

They aren't subjugated, but you know that. The people that are subjugated are in the West Bank. You ignored that Sean. I wonder why.

This is a great post. Unfortunately the apologists won't be able to admit that you are right. It has been pointed out many times that the Israeli right and the Islamists have a symbotic relationship- one needs the other to justify their policies. This is why Likud under both Bibi and Shamir were content to prop up Islamists in order to continue on with their apartheid policies. Let us not forget it was Bibi who held the mock funeral for Rabin.

Yet the Israel can do no wrong brigade will ignore this and apportion all the blame on the other side and make out that it is solely them that are an obstacle to peace.

You make it sound like there is a huge jewish community there. In reality there are only around 8000 jews left in iran, out of an estimated 100,000, because the vast majority of them fled to israel and the US after the Islamic revolution.

They aren't subjugated by they are subject to travel and other restrictions, such as being prohibited from being a judge, or holding senior government or military positions. Also, their ability to teach in Hebrew is limited

So there's no good guys? Why do Irish people wave the Palestinian flag with such passion when such instances have taken place? Why do we hate the Brits for being colonizers but not the Arabs?

They mostly did all flee though? A few thousand, mainly older people, are left. They can't live freely because they are actually in an "apartheid state", unlike in israel where jews and arabs are equal. There are more Iranian jews in Los Angeles than in Iran. Ask them how they feel about the current iranian regime -spoiler alert, its not positive.

Similar to many Lebanese people abroad, they hate Hezbollah. How many people have fled from the Lebanon due to hezbollah? How many have fled from Iran? How many have fled from Israel? I'm sure that one is less than the others..why? It's a total mystery 🤔

The Jews and Arabs are equal in Israel? Really?

I thinks this topic of discussion was dealt with extensively in a previous thread. But here's a BBC report from 2021:

Israel committing crimes of apartheid and persecution - HRW (bbc.com)

@Danzy

Any significant loss of life would mean a decapitation of the regime in Iran would be necessary and the complete annihilation of Hezbollah, the IDF would take the gloves off.

Almost sounds like you're willing the IDF to go all in?

Its unlikely the IDF could do anything more horrific, depraved and abhorrent than what they have already done to innocent civilians (on all sides) - at least to normal, moral people.

They are classed as a protected minority in Iran. There are dozens of Synagoues in Iran. While they do face discrimination, which i'm not defending by the way, Sean's claim that Iran wants to kill all the jews doesn't seem to hold up when you consider these facts. As i said it's wrong Iranian Jews are discriminated against- Just as it's wrong that Palestinians are discriminated against.

This is funny: on the same thread, within a couple of pages, I've been accused of being a Sinner and a Loyalist supporter.

I'll leave you all to fight it out over which one I am. Assuming you don't actually believe both can be true simultaneously. 😁

I read this is a breach of international law if you plant explosive devices in items that may be used by civilians but of course the IDF bombs schools and hospitals so they have past the point of caring

Meanwhile upper class people are leaving Israel

Doctors tech experts programmers highly qualified people who can afford to move to country's where there is no war Israel,s economy depends on elite workers to keep it's tech company's going

Eventually a new government will be elected and they will have to reach some peace agreement with Hamas and the Palestinian minority

This is a gamble they are hoping they can force Hezbollah to move back and stop attacking border areas will to his work who knows

Do they intend to invade Lebanon

Who knows

Even Israel has a limit it cannot continue this war for years

Hezbollah is still able to launch 150 rockets in one day

Its hard to see a rational peaceful resolution to this crisis

Of course it's Genocide. The means Israel uses to achieve it's goals proves this. Their mindsets are genocidal too. Here's a little article I read not long after the Israelis entered Gaza and began their actions which were Genocidal and clearly so to many independent people -

https://www.cadtm.org/Trying-to-understand-the-genocidal-drift-of-Israeli-society

Most of those organisations have lost their right to comment - the UN is completely pointless at this stage, they sill have Russia in the Security Council, everything is "can we all not just get along and take loads more 3rd world refugees" while listening to another MD Higgins speech extolling their own virtues

Does anyone? Everyone detests them, particularly people who have zero skin in the game and no understanding of the underlying issues but feel the need to take a side

No country that has had terrorists attacks, has gone after the innocent people who share the nationality of those terrorists, except Israel.

I'd say that opinion piece is written by someone drawing tenuous, at best, connections, based on some extrapolations of the works of a renowned Marxist (Ernest Mandel)

And he blames Brown International as a threat to society - who is that?

When you go through history, the most of horrific stuff committed, was done by religious beliefs led by some muppets who chose themselves as a speakers of fictional beings. 

You might find that secular ideologies have been responsible for the odd death too.
Facism, communism, nationalism, imperialism.

Gosh I must have imagined where the US invaded Afghanistan, killing about 70,000 civilians, and leaving tonnes of unexploded ordinance in the fields and elsewhere, as a direct result of a terrorist attack by a tiny group of people who were just living in Afghanistan, not even the act of the Afghan government, contrary to Hamas in Gaza. And also Iraq - something like 200,000 civilians killed as a direct result of the war started by the US for no good reason really - not even a terrorist attack.

Or there's particularly the second Chechen war, starting in 1999 after alleged terrorist attacks in Moscow. That killed an estimated 25,000 civilians, with several thousand more still missing - and that's just part of the Russia-Chechnya conflict in recent times. Moreover the bombings were probably actually set up by Moscow to give them an excuse to invade Chechnya in the first place - but hey, those Jews right? Much worse.

Because of course it's totally different when the Jews do it. Nobody has ever done anything as bad as them. Even when they have. 🙄