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Gosh I must have imagined where the US invaded Afghanistan, killing about 70,000 civilians, and leaving tonnes of unexploded ordinance in the fields and elsewhere, as a direct result of a terrorist attack by a tiny group of people who were just living in Afghanistan, not even the act of the Afghan government, contrary to Hamas in Gaza. And also Iraq - something like 200,000 civilians killed as a direct result of the war started by the US for no good reason really - not even a terrorist attack.

Or there's particularly the second Chechen war, starting in 1999 after alleged terrorist attacks in Moscow. That killed an estimated 25,000 civilians, with several thousand more still missing - and that's just part of the Russia-Chechnya conflict in recent times. Moreover the bombings were probably actually set up by Moscow to give them an excuse to invade Chechnya in the first place - but hey, those Jews right? Much worse.

Because of course it's totally different when the Jews do it. Nobody has ever done anything as bad as them. Even when they have. 🙄

No you weren't. You pretended that I was failing to answer the question because I responded with Netanyahu rather than Likud, when he is the leader of Likud, and then tried to put words into my mouth about the IDF.

That's not in good faith, which requires that you respond to what I've said, not tell me what I must somehow really think despite what I've actually said.

Feel free to ignore or report. You're the one who tried to put words into my mouth, not the other way around.

And I seem to recall you did something similar before, and only after I went over and over it several times did you end up admitting you had misquoted me. Or misunderstood, I forget exactly.

I do remember though that it took a LOT of time and some effort to force you to acknowledge that you were in the wrong.

Out of curiosity what do you think of Israeli human rights groups who have come to the same conclusions as the organisations you condemn in this post?

You're the one who tried to put words into my mouth, not the other way around.

It has been a thing on boards for a while, some peeps intentionally, unintentionally or for whatever other reason, forgot the ability to read, think and only then to react. What I'm saying is, posters will happily try to twist anything posted, if it doesn't suit their own narrative.

A country has been killing civilians in the tens of thousands and may soon be killing civilians in another country. What does it matter what religions are involved?

I swear if someone wrote that it is necessary to kill a thousand innocent civilians with no further context given, some posters would wait to see who the victims were before deciding whether to defend the action.

Yeah, the US went after innocent people of a completely different nationality

LOL that's amusing. I haven't noticed any shortage of responses to any of my posts. Quite the opposite - I've put a couple of them on ignore (as I pointed out yesterday). So I'm perfectly happy for you to ignore my posts if it makes your life better. There's no obligation to respond anyway.

Can't both be true though can they? Which makes it quite likely that both are wrong, and that I am neither. TBF the poster who accused me of being a Shinner would actually be closer to the truth - I think I did actually once vote Sinn Fein, though it was a long time ago and I'm not 100% sure. But I can guarantee I have never ever voted loyalist. 😂

Yes you did, but then perhaps it's just your go-to term of abuse when you can't find anything more pertinent to say, so you forget who all you've said it to?

Oh and the guy did come to the wedding BTW. I'd have preferred to tell him to stuff it, but I was close to his then-girlfriend, so I wasn't going to fall out with him. I just reassured him gently that he wasn't taking his life in his hands merely crossing the border. 🙄

Not sure what I've said about the Irish Army, but my experience of southerners comes from having lived there. Perhaps you're still mixing me up with Peggy Shippen. The comment about the Israeli flag is also puzzling to me.

Just FYI I grew up thinking "Free State" was a complimentary term (ie they were "free") and only when I went to Dublin did I discover that they took it as demeaning. It's regularly used in the north by nationalists. Less so now perhaps than when I was growing up, but I'm not even sure of that. I generally avoid it but lots of people wouldn't. Loyalists though? I'd say probably not. Sounds too positive an expression. Plus we can't say eg "Irish people" to refer to you, since we're Irish too, but they can.

But I certainly didn't start out with a negative view of southerners in general. Whereas I've lost count of the times an "appropriate" conversation starter from someone in Dublin was some crack about violent northerners, or IRA membership. This was some decades ago, during the troubles - but Dublin had a massive problem with drugs and robberies at the time, so it's not like it was some golden age there.

8,000 odd second-class citizens in a totalitarian theocratic sh**hole that is only allied with other s***holes like Russia.

I'm not sure that's the flex you think it is. There's a very good reason why almost all of the 100,000-odd Jews that lived in Iran before 1979 don't live there anymore.

☝️Maybe it's something to do with the fact that they are the "chosen ones"🤣🤣and can live within their ancestral homeland which was given to them by the God they believe in(totally not a coincidence that one). Who wouldn't want move from Iran to Israel when you can just go push someone out of their house and off their land based on this compelling evidence from the Bible

Many of them took up the offer of being supported by the zionist forces to steal land from Palestinians……….free land and stolen houses……what's not to like!

I agree SeanW. Like the idiots who write history books who try to tell us that e.g. North America was colonised. It wasn't. At the time the US was set up, it had no "metropole" anywhere else. Therefore it had nothing to do with colonisation. Despite the fact that it subsequently imported many more Europeans and pushed its borders further and further West, taking land from the Native Americans, there was nothing colonial about any of that. No-siree.

Same as how idiots why try to point out that zionism was inherently a colonial project which was pushed via the British mandate don't realise that it can't have been because when Israel came into existence, there was no "metropole"

Of course. You're missing the point.

Sinwar, the man who has blocked every ceasefire deal and Hamas ending the fight may have been killed.

What is left of Hamas might take the opportunity to release the kidnapped and stop, though as an org. the whole point is continued fighting till the Jews are gone. They aren't motivated by ideas of statehood or Palestinian identity. However you view such a concept, manufactured or real like there was running through much of the PLO decades ago.

Maybe, but Hamas is not interested in peace are they?

The records they found of their plans

If you have a record of Israeli plans to exterminate all Palestinians, then please share it.

The Nazi's did have this plan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference

Are you claiming Israel have targeted Palestinian civilians intentionally?

Methinks you could do with a history lesson on North American settlements - colonisation was a very large part of it. Before the founding of either the US or Canada, all European settlement in the Americas was colonial - that is, there was a metropole-colony relationship. Once the US declared independence from the British Empire (the former metropole) they went on to take other colonies - Louisiana from France and Spanish Florida from … you guessed it … Spain. As to the US westward expansion, that also occurred in colonial stages, with new territories being just "territories" before becoming full states.

The Jews never had any of this. Therefore Israel cannot be accused of colonialism except possibly its West Bank settlements.

But one thing both Israel and European North America do indeed share in common is how much they have given to the world. Without the North American settlements, including the United States and Canada, the world would have been extremely unlikely to have developed much beyond the Renaissance. If you like having nice things today you should thank the Jews of Israel and other parts of the world. For example, not to long ago if you got sick and a doctor wanted to look around inside you, they'd have to cut you open. Now that same doc can just give you a pill-cam, thanks to that tiny country and its people.