New England Patriots Thread Mod Warning Post #253

He has good touch throws when he has to feather it over the top. It is more the drive element of it and his form when he does throw deep. It is not a complete killer. He showed that year you can get around it and all QBs have weaknesses.


Yeah Pats should not get too excited about that. Nice showing for their defense though. Personally I feel Burrow's terrible haircut takes some blame.

Poxy loss today, Seahawks always seem to pull out the last minute win over us. Mayo should've back the team to pick up the down on 4th and 1.

That's a game that should've been won. Brisset is playing a very conservative game, per design, but we're missing opportunities because of it. He's also holding the ball too long in the pocket, should never have taken that sack at the end of regulation.

So it begins, it only took one loss, but now the clamour to start Maye begins. Jalen Reagor posted (then deleted) this on IG. Going to assume that after 4 years of being a WR 4/5 on three different teams and failing to crack 400 yards in any of them, that he doesn't have delusions of grandeur. It would seem this is a reference to keeping Maye benched.

Oops, it would help if I actually posted the picture. My bad, here it is. IG is Instagram.

Great statistic on Christian Gonzalez.

Last year before he got injured, and so far this season, he has gone up against:

JaMarr Chase, DK Metcalf, AJ Brown, Devonte Smith, Jaylen Waddle, Tyreek Hill and Garrett Wilson.

He doesn't always shadow a team's best receiver so he wasnt always covering those players, but on the plays where he was matched up against them, he's only allowed 17 catches for 148 yards. That's very impressive.

Belichick drafted terribly in his last few seasons. A couple of picks that look like panning out doesn't change that.

Barmore, Dugger and Onwenu are very good players. Rhamondre is a good back, but they're not too difficult to find. The others are solid contributors, at best. It's not exactly a great haul from 40 picks in the 4 years you chose. Go back another year and you've N'Keal Harry and Joejuan Williams.. two complete busts. It doesn't get any better in the few years before that.

We are bad

Maye coming in now. I don't think he's any good but he could get destroyed here before he has a chance to show anything. It's a stupid move putting him in against a defense who got to the QB multiple times tonight.

Yeah I don't think Maye should have gone in the game last night at all. That game was much worse than the first 2 where we actually played well, and is more aligned with where I think we are as a team right now.

Douglas, Sow, Onwenu, Strange, Brissett, Rhamondre, Andrews, Barmore, White, Uche, Jennings, Bentley, Jonathan Jones, Marcus Jones and Gonzalez are all starters drafted by Bill. That's 15 of 22 starters.

Let's see how many of this year's draft class are playing in two years time.

We are missing a left tackle and a good wide receiver, we could have got both of them by trading back this year which would have been the smart thing to do. The real GM decided we were getting a QB, that's Kraft that made that decision. Obviously the coaches are either stupid or haven't the balls to stand up to the owner. It's not going to work out.

After three games this is possibly the worst Patriots team I've ever seen. The 1-15 team back somewhere around 88-91 was the worst but if this level of performance keeps up then this team will be the worst in my 40+ years following the Patriots.

That level of stupidity was enhanced last night by bringing Maye in. He took two sacks and another hit. I don't think he's good enough but he won't get a chance to prove me wrong if they play him with this horrendous team.

As I said last night I don't know how Brissett survived the night with all the brutal hits he took.

Anyway you keep backing this new management team. By the end of the year the fans will want change and they'll want Bill back. It'll never happen though because Kraft can't walk back now after all the despicable things he did.

I mentioned all the really good ones in a previous post. Who if those do you think needs to be replaced?

There is no left tackle and only one wide receiver whose definitely good enough to play as third on the depth chart.

We could have drafted a left tackle and wide receiver, it went traded back, and pick up another one next year in free agency, or in the draft, if Brissett, Mac Jones or Bailey Zappe worked out.

You don't know that, I don't know that. They could all be crap, they could all be great, less likely with Brissett. The other two never had a chance to prove what they could do.

Anybody stating they know what level Zappe or Jones were at is talking nonsense. You cannot gauge anything from watching QBs in a horrendous situation like they experienced for the last two years. It's even worse this year, Brissett looks awful as a result. We know from this time elsewhere that he's a serviceable QB but we are not seeing that this year, He looks worse than Zappe and Jones did.

Maye came on the other night and he looked awful too.

If Mac and Bailey are back ups at best then Brissett should be working in McDonalds if we are to compare his work through the first three games with their work over the last two years. Are you in agreement with that?

Are you also in agreement that if Maye plays like he did on Thursday for the rest of the season that we would have been better to keep Mac and Bailey than draft him?

How on earth do you know he didn't have the physical tools? What games did you get to see him have the opportunity to show off his abilities?

What do you think of Brock Purdy as a QB?

You see it's you that's the one that stuck on a hill because I've always said there's no way to know how good or bad Mac and Bailey are because they never had a chance. No offensive line to protect you, constantly on the run and no receiver that can separate. So you are trying to do something and you are basically throwing to a guy's body. It's a recipe for disaster and that's going to happen to almost any QB in the league.

Even with all that Mac ended up with a 64.9 completion percentage, that was better than Geno Smith, Love, Stroud and Stafford and miles ahead of all the bad QBs in the league like Fields, Young and Levis.

There is no way to assess a QB in the situation that Mac and Bailey found themselves in over the last two seasons and anybody saying they can hasn't a clue what they are talking about.

So please stop telling me you know what level Mac and Bailey are at because it's just making you look stupid.

And for the umpteenth time to try and get it into your head, I'm not saying Mac or Bailey are good QBs, I'm saying there is no way to assess them. I've never said during our conversation that they are good, I've always said there is no way to know.

Brissett looks worse now than they did but we know that Jacoby has been serviceable during his time in the NFL and that shows the horrendous situation that's still prevalent in New England.

By the way Maye completed 50% of his passes the other night. He might be better than that but I've said all along that I see bust written all over him. Thing is he might not even get the chance to prove me wrong because his career might be over very quickly if he has to put up with what Brissett currently is. Jacoby isn't going to be around much longer, he's got up hurt a few times already through three games, he's going to stay down some night soon.

You have no way to rate him over the last two years. Stop saying stupid stuff like you can rate a QB who has no protection and no receiver who can separate.

If you continue with this line that you can decide what a QB is like in the situation that Bailey and Mac found themselves in over the last two years it's pointless talking to you because you have no clue at all.

I'm not saying you have no clue about football, just how and when you can evaluate a QB.

Actually Sam Darnold might prove the point if he continues how he's been going so far in Minnesota. He didn't have protection or a receiver when he was with the Jets, he had a receiver but no protection in Carolina. Now he has protection and receivers and he's lighting it up.

We'll leave it here. You obviously have no clue and will never learn.

Anyway what's the over under on his many games Brissett plays? I'd guess two more before he goes down. Three for Maye or Milton then.

Another Stevenson fumble

So after watching the game back against SF, I'm glad to see Brissett out there. We simply can't pass protect, and even the color comms guy said in the 3rd or 4th quarter that you don't put your number 3 overall pick future starter out there to take those hits. I've nothing against Jacoby at all tbh he's a perfectly serviceable high tier backup or journeyman/game manager starter.

We had a lucky special teams turnover near the goal line and managed a good showing on defense but we were simply outclassed by a superbowl contender. That's ok, we know where we are. There wasn't much opportunity in the run game due to the scores but the running that we did do was serviceable except the fumble. I'm a fan of stevenson and think he is part of our team going forward. We have no O Line. None. Especially on pass protection. It is not quite the texans under David Carr level of sack but we're getting there. When you take that into consideration it shows how well jacoby is playing. Until the game was likely out of reach he actually played well this week and last.

It's actally not as bad as I thought before the season. There's no shame in being outclassed by a loaded SF team. Kittle, Aiyuk, Deebo, Juyskyk(sp), mccaffrey are 5 elite options on offense skill positions that would each walk into most teams in the NFL let alone ours.

Going forward we need pass protection. We clearly have not replaced Scar as a line coach. Can't fully say we need run protection because when we get to run the ball (ie when the game is still up for grabs) we do well enough. We obviously need an WR1 but that's secondary to the O Line. No good having a bentley outside if you can't insure it, tax it and put fuel in it. The tax, insurance and fuel here is the O Line to pass protect, so we can actually get the ball to our WRs! On defense the needs are less obvious, we're still utilizing the core of the belichick team so we have the keep the ball in front of you, no big plays, etc as well as most of the good drafted guys (Say what you want about BB but he knew how to draft defense, particularly secondary). Of course we have no established elite talent on defense,but we never really did (other than one year rentals to complement a stocked well drafted and well coached defense).

I didnt intend to write a lengthy evaluation! On a TLDR basis we are actually doing better than I expected preseason. Playing much better than I expected and the win in week one was not expected at all.

Yup I can't disagree with any of that, you may remember from earlier posts here I was not a fan of BB going, not in favor of the Mayo hire, not infavor of drafting anyone at 3 at all let alone a QB and not a fan of necessarily moving on from Mac. (I would have liked Zappe!)

David Andrews done for the season with a shoulder injury. The OL was no great shakes to begin with, but it's been ravaged by injuries too.

Maye is going to start Sunday