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What's the point though? This will all re-commence in another generation in the same way. Netanyahu has assure that will happen by creating more cannon fodder for Hamas and Hezbollah. More hatred by the offspring of those martyred and an even bigger thirst for revenge than the last time. I used to type '' Rinse and Repeat '' but all the killing and bombing only achieves the fact that it is sure to happen again. Neither side learns, neither side can live in peace and innocents will suffer again.

What's the point though?

Yes, what is the point.

Israel as a nation state is here to stay. It is the biggest military player in that region and will use if it necessary.

One would think folks in Hamas and Hezbollah would just accept that there is no winning a war with Israel, never mind try the betterment of its people.

So, what is the point of Hezbollah or Hamas? You tell me?

Eventually the Arabs in the region will just have to accept that they lost and get over it. Concentrate on actual peace and a better Palestine, not one sworn in perpetual violence.

What makes you think they will accept it? They didn't before. Forget about Hamas and Hezbollah and ask yourself what Israel can do to prevent it recurring? Maybe treat the Palestinians properly for a change.

Not so sure how Martin can provide that..

That brings me again to question, (I know I'm not Irish, but I do live here, work literally from day one, paying taxes etc., plus I do love parts of this country), why the fook there's so little done on the home front, but big pointless noise being done on situation somewhere else..

Edit: I don't think either of us actually have a clue about the mindset on both of sides of conflict.

Ok, Ukrainian forces and Israeli forces are both using US missiles against their joint opponents.

No country in the region is a “full democracy”. Israel is an apartheid state. Apartheid South Africa was also a “flawed democracy”.

I doubt Israel would be laying siege to 2 million voters in their functioning democracy. Netanyahu would also never see power in a functioning democracy if the Arabs were equal partners, nor would Hamas.

Yes, hence the reason they have killed 25,000 women and children in Palestine. It's a genocide, they want to wipe them out.

They might claim Hezbollah but more women and children will killed than members of Hezbollah, just like Gaza. It's a genocide, that's want they want to achieve.

Israel has no interest in long-term settling land or conquering south Lebanon. They do however want their citizen to live in peace in northern Israel.

But you give yourself away. You seem fine with Hizbollah committing war crimes and deliberately targeting civilians.

I k kw theyvhave no interest in conquering south Lebanon. They only have interest in genocide and annihilating Lebanon so it doesn't exist as stated by their Minister for Education.

There is no difference between Hezbollah and Lebanon. Lebanon will be annihilated. It will cease to exist."

Look you might be supportive of genocide but it doesn't mean the rest of us are.

The furious operation that killed children? Yes, isn't it just outrageous that people out there are against killing children. Shame on them!

A generation of peace, that is what it achieves, as you point out above.

You won't get Hamas or Hezbollah to change and they will always have more volunteers than rifles. That will not change.

People don't appreciate that for groups like Hezbollah, Hamas. Iranian leadership, their God is an active participant and director. Not invoked but directly communicated to.

More real than any idea of politics or nationality.

When was the last time that such complete, unquestioning faith was seen in Europe, 1600s.

There is an element of that in Israeli society as well but not the leadership.

At this stage they are the only ones doing it, let the Saturday keffiyeh club at least have that.

Well that goes without saying if you kill 1k on one side and 40k on the other side. Every life taken can lead to life long enmity

"Forget about Hamas and Hezbollah?" That is not something anyone in Israel has the luxury of doing.

They probably won't accept it, but that is their issue. They will just leave another generation fighting the same useless battles.

No leadership, a society full of hatred and anti-Semitism.

They just need to let go, accept their loss and move on.

Also, it's a myth that if Israel treated the Palestinians nicer, Hamas and Hezbollah would be all rainbows and lollipops. People who peddle that are utterly naive.

The Nazi's didnt need an excuse, Hamas and their like don't either.

It's a genocide, they want to wipe them out.

They are doing a poor job of it though.

Targetting Hezbollah, doing a great job at that.

They might claim Hezbollah but more women and children will killed than members of Hezbollah, just like Gaza. It's a genocide, that's want they want to achieve.

Eh, OK, so now Israel wants to kill all the people in Lebanon? You are becoming close to going deep down the 'blood lust' Jewish anti-Semitic trope.

What is their end game here according to you? Kill every Arab?

They only have interest in genocide and annihilating Lebanon so it doesn't exist as stated by their Minister for Education

Dangerous blood libel talk to be honest. I would be careful with what you say.

Israel has no interest in 'annihilating' Lebanon or that Israel is somehow motivated by pure primaeval means in killing as many people, as quickly as possible. It's dangerously anti-Semitic to suggest so.

Do you actually follow the news at all? The Israeli Minister for Educatin claimed Lebanon will be annihilated.

They won't be able to kill every Arab. Israeli government have repeatedly stated and worked towards wiping out Gaza, the Qest Bank and now is moving towards Lebanon. It's does pose questions as to which Arab nation will be next on their list.

She was literally on the phone to the Red Cross begging for her life after her family were slaughtered and before her and the paramedics racing to save her was slaughtered. Ffs. Disgusting comment.

Another big wave of Israeli jets heading north over Galilee.

Long night ahead for the pilots.

What we are seeing now is a comprehensive targeting and destruction of one of the main military forces in the middle east, one that has significant combat experience, that would have killed people in 6 figure numbers in Syria alone and it's being done with a very small causality count.

Today has done more to counter China going into Taiwan, stop Iran attacking ships in the Red sea and have Putin swearing in bed than nearly all else for 20 years.

The reality of modern war, AI tech.

I googled that, and the usual bits of propaganda popped up. So, yea, not really 'News'.

So what is their end game?

You honestly believe that Israel wants to kill everyone in Gaza, the West Bank and now Lebanon. This is your sincere honest belief, is it?

Do you really think they've blown up over 25,000 women and children in Gaza by accident?

You have a habit of answering a question with a question which is the hallmark of someone trying to hide something.

So, answer this to me truthfully.

So what is their end game?

You honestly believe that Israel wants to kill everyone in Gaza, the West Bank and now Lebanon. This is your sincere honest belief, is it?

Don’t all Israelis have to serve in the IDF?? Surely by your logic all Israelis are legitimate military targets.

They'll blame it on Hamas. It's Hamas fault that Israel has blown up them up. 🙄

I've no idea where you get that from anything I've written but I can only guess that it comes from some confusion in your mind as to the difference between an army and a terrorist organisation.