Anyone else feel ashamed of getting the Covid shots?

Ah earlier on thread you seemed to suggest you decided not to get vaxxed well before Omicron. So you have invalidated your own point, as you shift the goalposts back and forwards as needed to suit the current dubious claim.

Not everybody will be floored for day or so by vaccines, it is a possibility that is all. The probability and range of symptoms for Omicron and later variants is much worse as attested in studies and by posters on this forum reporting symptoms.

Floored for a day is not a severe side effect under any generally accepted definition of it. That is your own invention as likely is such a dubious claim as never having spent a sick day in bed ever.

I have seen this playbook before... and here is the attempt at playing the victim when someone starts poking holes in the inconsistencies and contradictions in your claims.

You seem to be the one drastically looking for anti vaxxer evidence when you got caught out admitting (probably you) was floored for the day after taking your beloved drug.

Mild in medical terminology means not requiring hospital treatment and recovering. Having to spend a day in bed is mild.

https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/mild-covid-symptoms#:~:text=Mild%20COVID%2D19%20symptoms%20mean,%2C%20headache%2C%20and%20sore%20throat.

"Beloved drug."

Nope. It is a vaccine. Standard anti vax operating procedure to call it something other than vaccine.

Remarkable you claim you are not an anti vaxxer yet repeat their tropes.

LAV have been tried and mostly failed for coronavirus (colds in this case) previously due to low efficacy rates, though they are still trying.

If mRNA is your worry, then Novavax or Valneva might be more up your street, if you're willing to accept lower efficacy (side effects are similar).

But it does fly in the face of your "big pharma" argument.

Unless you had the virus sequenced there is no way of knowing which variant you got or if you had previously been exposed and hadn't noticed (unless you were suffering severe symptoms in which case they may sequence the variant).

Ill steer clear of both really. I dont trust the Chinese or Russians for that matter. Virus originated in China so good possibility they had access to data before anyone else. Not a huge fan of big pharma either but they are a necessary evil. If there is money to be made we all like to maximise it. Cant blame them on that. In my business I have been accused of the same myself. And a certain amount of truth to it (my business). Nothing like a good crisis to make a lot of money.

Ok hold on a minute. You wrote "You're statement is false" twice now in 2 separate posts. It makes my head hurt. That reads as "You are statement is false".

It's "Your". Your statement. You're means You are.

Fairly obvious what he means. Its worse with 'loose' and 'lose' especially if the context of the sentence is lost with the incorrect word. The standard of English these days is not great.

**** happens. Meanwhile thousands avoided death through vaccines.

That's bad logic if you are an epidemiologist. Risk is at a population level.

There is no way in advance of predicting who will die, what's important is that fewer people die overall.

No Are you? It is well documented that young healthy persons with no comorbidities are at minimal risk from Covid.

It was quite easy to predict who was most likely to die. Age and existing health issues made dying way more likely.

... The chances of anyone contracting COVID and endingup in ICU or dead were elevated. This poor lad could easily have died from complicatons from contracting COVID. The reasons he died from the vaccine would have made him far more likely to suffer bad outcomes from the disease.

We can all feel sorry for the lads family, but that is no excuse for goulishly latching onto his death to attempt to discredit vaccines

Equating vaccine injury to the disease impacts would need solid proof. They are not exactly the same thing.

Oh Id have to have a look at his medical records. Get a grip. What do you think yourself? This is boards. Its not autopsy.ie

I understand how every choice comes with benefits and risks. In the grand scheme of things I understand that cases like this are inevitable (they are predicted) but I am not such a child that I cannot admit that some people will suffer with or without the vaccine. I feel for the suffering of them all.

It's not about the cheap shots we can score.

COVID19 not just the vaccines gave a rise in intercranial bleeding. Those with COVID 19 were 80% more likely to suffer a stroke than people not sick with the disease. **** happens is not the applicable expression. However if you got COVID you were much more likely to have a stroke.

https://go.skimresources.com/?id=61111X1383796&isjs=1&jv=15.7.1&sref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fdiscussion%2F2058356394%2Fanyone-else-feel-ashamed-of-getting-the-covid-shots%23latest&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26source%3Dweb%26rct%3Dj%26opi%3D89978449%26url%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.aan.com%2FPressRoom%2FHome%2FPressRelease%2F5027%26ved%3D2ahUKEwjW06LUutyIAxWlQ0EAHbQ_A6wQFnoECCkQAQ%26usg%3DAOvVaw308egbQ3brKfHCxG6p_xGq&xs=1&xtz=-60&xuuid=6b0248014a625a3a3b93ce76929afa49&xjsf=other_click__contextmenu%20%5B-1%5D

A person susceptible to such an occurrence would carry that risk when getting a vaccine but at a lower risk level. About 7500 people get a stroke in Ireland every year.

https://irishheart.ie/heart-and-stroke-conditions-a-z/stroke/

We have no figures for different types of brain injuries in Ireland, from concussion. It's a significant factor in sport, in Rugby, GAA and the risk is in soccer as well from even heading the ball. There would have been a significant risk if he got COVID the outcome would be similar unfortunately.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.aan.com/PressRoom/Home/PressRelease/5027&ved=2ahUKEwjW06LUutyIAxWlQ0EAHbQ_A6wQFnoECCkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw308egbQ3brKfHCxG6p_xGq

"The inquest was told evidence will be submitted that 59 other people suffered intercranial bleeds within 10 days of receiving the same vaccine."

Nothing to see here. And this isn't even the most common severe adverse effect from this vaccine, which is the one that the least amount of people got compared to the other brands .

Hold up, you appear to have made a massive leap in logic there, are you saying the vaccine caused his illness? You better get your ass up to the courts quickly to present your evidence. I am sure your scientific method will appreciated. Or maybe, just maybe you are talking out your hole?

Maybe your anecdotal story is true, maybe it's not.

Here are the facts. Thousands of people died as a result of Covid in Ireland, many more were hospitalized. The vaccines reduced deaths/hospitalizations by up to 80%.

In terms of serious injury/death from the vaccines (around 95% of the adult population here is vaccinated) these have been highly rare.

It's straightforward medication. Medication can have side effects. Aspirin for example is 200 times more dangerous than Covid vaccines.

https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/getting-a-covid-jab-is-safer-than-taking-aspirin

Around a dozen sources are estimated to be responsible for the majority of anti-vax disinfo online - and it's worth millions. Some individuals fall for it. Ironically a higher proportion of deaths in ICU's were unvaccinated people. People literally died due to a fake belief or a non-understanding of risk.

Nope.

Restrictions were being lifted with vaccines well before Omicron in Ireland and elsewhere such as Denmark.

Ireland temporarily brought some back while assessing Omicron severity.

Denmark and others did not.

Places like Hong Kong were hard hit by Omicron due to large numbers of unvaccinated.

Solid evidence of key role of vaccination.

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When Omicron and it's sub-variants started hitting in autumn 2021 the majority of people were already vaccinated, the vaccines at the time were estimated to offer e.g. an approx 40% reduction in hospitalization against the new variant. The companies then started working on vaccines to also tackle the Omicron variant.

A mutation being milder and the vaccines reducing hospitalizations/deaths are not mutually exclusive.

It's the job of vaccine developers to develop vaccines.

It's not normal or sane to harbour such vitriol against people making treatments for stuff that can hospitalize or kill us.