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Of course…The only thing Israel is accomplishing is the creation of more Palestinians who are willing to die for the cause, and they are also are making sure sympathy in normally supporting nations is dwindling as well… Its a loose loose scenario

There was a report in Haaretz about the IDF sending down syndrome Palestinians into tunnels

I'm not going to comment on "a report" and we're talking about Hezbollah, not Gaza or Hamas. Hezbollah has no reason to attack Israel, other than killing jews.

Your brought it up about Israel only ever defending itself. You seem to think self defense mean you can do whatever you want if you class it as self defense. That's not how it work if you supposedly adhere to western values and view yourself as a democracy who abides by international law.

So you prefer to deny that this happened by dismissing it as a "report". How about B'tselem and other organisations who documents these violations of international law. Still no comment I suppose.

I am seeing a pattern here you dismiss any information that contradicts your narrative.

Number 1. My background is a catholic farmers son from Munster. So if you're mistaking me for an Irish Protestant (planter in your narrow view) then you are wrong. Some of my friends growing up would have been Protestant and they often said to me how difficult it was at times.

Also post the Norman French/ Welsh invasion of Strongbow and others there was huge settlement from South West England around Bristol but also artisians from East Anglia . So it was a plantation. The Norman's weren't taking over unclaimed land

Thirdly. It's not the Bible I'm relying on for the historical facts around the jews being expelled by Hadrian from their homeland. It's factual history as described by multiple sources from Josephus to the flavians. Look at titus's column in Rome from 70ad. It shows the booty from the second temple..it shows looted menorahs, treasure and Jewish slaves. Like this is '101' historical fact and you're trying to contest it? The Bible is also an historical source. That's not a question either from Historians. Its a legitimate source but not the only spurce.Jesus was a real person sir..like do abit of study.

Palestinians are Arabs. I dont contest that there's Arabs that were many generations in the area that consider themselves 'Palestinians '. There's no genetic differences between them and Jordanians, Egyptian Arabs ect. I don't deny that they should have a safe place to live. However they've very poor leadership..very poor indeed. They've let themselves down badly time and time again. The two state solution is probably gone now unfortunately and it's the Palestinians fault for not accepting many many attempts of settlement. There comes a time when it's time to say 'lads good luck and safe travels to a safe Arab country.

For reasons that are long gone. What's important is why do they continue to exist, and the answer to that is because they are a proxy for Iran's war against Israel. They are an internationally recognized terrorist organization and destroying any of their members should be celebrated.

Quite a monologue, but you didn't answer my one question.

Do you think Israel invaded Lebanon for the craic?

Because it suits your point of view?

Who has ruled the region for close to 400 years?

Yet another dictator giving out about Bibi.

I do believe that the reasons for such actions can be questioned (in all cases) and debated.

OK, lets debate it.

If a terrorist outfit is on your border with a huge arsenal of rockets and missiles, and it's constantly firing them into populated civilian areas, killing innocent civilians (11 children in a playground in a recent strike) what do you?

Ask them nicely to stop?

Give up and give in to their demands?

Buy them presents and have a sing-song after?

Ignore them, while they kill your citizens?

Attack them?

Or wonder why they want to attack you in the first place, and go from there …. perhaps.

Yeah, they don't want anything other than a Muslim state in the region.

That's why, when there were multiple movements of populations in the period following the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, the Christians were forced to leave Turkey (and other countriesà, the Muslims were forced out of Greece, and the various countries basically did a swap with most of their minority religious and ethnic groups. Lebanon was to be the Christian majority state for those who didn't want to go to Greece or the US or other existing Christian countries.

The Jews OTOH had nowhere to go when forced out of Yemen, Iraq, Turkey etc - except after the new state of Israel was set up, with the agreement of the UN. But the Arabs wouldn't even allow them 2% of the region - it was to be Judenrein. Hence the combined Arab countries went to war the day after Israel was created.

To hear posters on here, you'd think that only Palestinians had ever had to move as part of that forced remake of a whole region over decades. That's just not the case. Hundreds of thousands, possibly millions, of people moved. Like Muslims and Hindus after their states were set up.

Every third bomb is from Germany, but the left can’t bring itself to blame them

So you agree with Israeli actions in trying to protect is borders and citizens from indiscriminate fire.

Perhaps then we should focus on those proxies who are funded by Iran and put pressure on Iran itself.

If Iran was out of the picture, the region would be much safer, and these military actions would not be needed.

Why don't Hamas/Palestine do that then i.e. give back the hostages? If they continue on with the war, they are giving Bibi what he wants.

there is no evidence that all of the arab world and the majority of european muslims want any of those.
yes, some will want the destruction of israel because the reality is it threatens the whole of the middle east.
a tiny minority of nuts want the extermination of all jews but it's never going to happen so it's a fantasy.
yes, israel needs the support of europe and america to continue it's terror machine and that is what it is, israel has rarely ever simply defended itself.
your last statement is just sky fairy and hasbara guff, israel was never and is not under existential threat.
if it even was the case that this was true, that's down to israel's own behaviour and quite frankly play stupid games win stupid prises because continuing to support the israely terror machine and it's victim playing is costing us dearly.

well to be fair why would they when israel will just keep slaughtering anyway.

they did try to give them back but israel said no.

chances are the remaining hostages are sadly dead now thanks to israel's terror machine.

you will find plenty of it, try the hamas thread for a start.