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Is getting married still worth it nowadays?

  • 25-09-2024 1:49am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,260 ✭✭✭


    A huge expense if you go for a traditional hotel wedding and possibly an even bigger expense to clean up the mess if you break up.

    Is it worth the hassle?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,742 ✭✭✭wandererz


    Makes a difference in terms of custody of kids in after a split. Check out father's rights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 Who Ate The Cat


    Worth it if you have 300 or more guests and you make money on the wedding gifts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭Feline Groovy


    Well the huge event is optional.

    If cohabiting couples could get all the benefits of married ones I wouldn't see the point. Nothing is guaranteed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,713 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Depends on whether you attach any value to giving and receiving the formal, public commitments involved. If you do then obviously, yeah, marriage has a point.

    If you don't, it may still have a point as a way of accessing adminstrative treatment appropriate to a committed, exclusive, conjugal couple — joint tax assessment, automatic inheritance rights, etc. Some of these you can replicate by, e.g., making a will in appropriate terms; others, like joint assessment, are not replicable. But marriage provides a convenient way of accessing the entire package, if that's what you want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,260 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    Non-existent in this country, the judges always give the house, kids and money to the woman simply because she has a vagina



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 367 ✭✭iniscealtra


    The huge expense is optional. I am married. Good for inheritance, tax credits, bereavement leave, automatic guardianship of any children etc. I would day that it is worth it, just choose well if possible parthner wise.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,184 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    This, I know plenty who didn't have the big day out, one co worker done it on her lunch break, another took one day off and went to a nice restaurant with the witnesses afterwards, that was it.

    The benefits are inheritance, tax credits if on wildly different pay, but only do it if you are reasonably confident of staying the course.



  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭Ash40


    Im just going to though my twopence worth in here cause I've been thinking about this. To me marriage still means something. Alright, people don't see it as the committment they used to but I do. I don't however feel the need for a huge wedding and certainly not a gift list, the thought of giving someone a gift list makes me wanna boke. I do know someone who invited everyone they could think of, hoping they wouldn't all come just to get a gift from them and ended up being able to pay half his mortgage off and get a honeymoon out of it. But for me, it means that someone is committing themselves to me. But that's just me....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    I've no problems with civil ceremonies. In fact, they're usually better. Best wedding I was at was 20 odd of us at the Cork city registry for the 15 minute ceremony/signing. Then down to their favourite local restaurant for a 3 course meal, and finally onto the penthouse of the nearby hotel for the party. Such a relaxed and enjoyable afternoon/night.

    I do have issues with religious ceremonies. Mainly because the two getting married probably never actually practice the religion. It's all for show. And costs so much. Also if I'm invited to a wedding and I accept, then they send a gift list... I wouldn't be long cancelling. I don't even give money at weddings, because its already cost me the bones of a few hundred to get the room and travel. If you just want money or a gift, don't invite me. Thankfully, most people I know are now married so only 1 wedding in the last 10 years, and I was a groomsman at that so had no choice.

    As for the benefits, no idea. Just be sure, divorce rate is low at 13% (46% in not-so-Great Britain), but rising every year I believe.

    So marriage may be worth it, but the religious ceremonies and ghastly expensive weddings are not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,713 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    So marriage may be worth it, but the religious ceremonies and ghastly expensive weddings are not.

    The OP's question, though, is about marriage, not about weddings.

    Weddings may be worth discussing, but it's a whole different discussion that deserves a whole different thread (or even a whole different forum).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,394 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    Getting married is great. Both of you are the centre of attention, everyone is dressed up and there for a day out, mediocre food, dancing, pints, bit of gossip, residents bar for the hardcore. Well worth it.

    Being young is a great advantage, since we see the world from a new perspective and we are not afraid to make radical changes - Greta Thunburg



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭RichT


    Worth it?

    Absolutely invaluable if you're looking for immigration benefit!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,422 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    The wedding is the easy/irrelevant/fluffy part of getting married. It's the tip of the iceberg..😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,451 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    I'm a widow and the difference that being married made when my wife passed was enormous. In terms of guardianship of the kids, insurance, death benefits etc etc it was all much easier because we were married.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    I can only comment on my experience of marriage and that is the wedding part because I'm not married. But for a lot of people, who ultimately end up divorced, the wedding part is super important. And imo, sets up potentially what the marriage will be like. At nearly every wedding there's at least one part where the future is conversed between drunken attendees. One can usually guess which marriages last by the wedding. The more lavish, the less chance of it lasting is my personal experience.

    But aasa single male, from what my married friends say, it's worth it for the tax... benefits?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 669 ✭✭✭SVI40


    Marriage is worth it, if it works out. No so if it doesn't. Having children is what complicates it all. But the same arises when you have children outside of marriage and split up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,141 ✭✭✭homer911


    If buying a property with your partner, things can get very messy if one brings a greater share of the deposit than the other - anything more than a 3k differential will potentially attract a capital gains charge on the beneficiary (the smaller contributor). It may be possible to address this with an appropriate contract (joint tenants? tenants in common?) but a solicitor will advise



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah it's worth it if you plan to be together long-term. It makes little difference in day-to-day life, but I think it's important.

    My partner and I were together for 13 years before we got married and I was really surprised by friends and family responses. Everyone knew we were committed to each other but people close to us were really happy for us and expresseda lot of love. The wedding ceremony is a really important cultural ritual throughout the world. You stand in front of your community (and government) and formally tell everyone you want to be considered a new family. I think that's really important.

    People express their love for each other in ways they don't usually do in normal life.

    There's an expression that I'd rather go to a good funeral than a bad wedding. Thankfully I've never been to a bad wedding. I've always been really happy for anyone whose wedding I've been to.

    Pretty sure the OP is looking for replies about how terrible women are and it's not worth getting married. Wonder if they're happy with the responses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,269 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    The only real benefits are artificial tbh: preferential tax treatment, simplified inheritance/guardianship of children etc. Nothing that a government couldn't remove at the stroke of a pen.

    The risks are enormous for the higher earner/wealthier spouse, though the government have already inflicted some of this same risk on co-habiting couples. That said, I don't believe the levels of alimony are quite the same in such cases.

    Divorce isn't much of a risk if you're both penniless, both earn similar levels of income or if the higher earner is absolutely coining it but if you're the higher earner by any significant amount, our no-fault divorce system puts you at high risk. There's nothing stopping a vindictive spouse from having an affair, quitting their job and expecting their now ex to support them financially for the rest of their lives.

    Add kids to the mix and if you're the main breadwinner, you better hope you're in a financial position to cover two mortgages or you'll likely find yourself homeless or, if you're lucky, back living in a flat share at an age beyond what most would find acceptable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 192 ✭✭Charlo30


    For tax credits and inheritance it's beneficial. Beyond that it's of limited use.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭yagan


    Marriage is merely the formal acknowledgement of a deep connection.

    I wouldn't recommend it if there's any doubts.

    I did warn my partner that I'd never get married in a religious setting, so thankfully just the two of us went abroad and staged some fake church pics for those relatives for who such things are crucial.

    My siblings thanked me for not dragging them through the expense of the usual Irish wedding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,830 ✭✭✭hawkwing


    You can't have sex without being married first so it's worth it for people into that sort of thing..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,821 ✭✭✭Hooked


    68 guests. No church. 3600 euro bill for the LOT.

    Happily married 9 years

    Would be a mess for all the reasons above (kids, the law, tax, etc) to not be wed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭ec18


    depends on how you assign value.

    As other have mentioned there are tax, inheritance and other rights that are automatic once married.

    Being married it is worth it as long as you are sure of your partner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,709 ✭✭✭Feisar


    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭optogirl


    Agreed. Widowed here and things would have been way more complicated if we hadn't been married. That being said, I may still be stuck with a mortgage on my own forever more but that's a topic for another thread….



  • Registered Users Posts: 796 ✭✭✭French Toast


    I got married in towards the tail end of COVID. We had a traditional church wedding, hotel reception afterwards. 60 guests or so, relatively small. Cards covered about 80% of costs I’d say. Made zero difference to our daily lives but it’s what we both wanted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 880 ✭✭✭crybaby


    I got married a few years ago, and yeah, weddings are pricey. But for me, it was about the commitment, not the party. If you're with the right person, it's worth it, but you don't need marriage to have a strong relationship either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,451 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Did you not have life insurance on your mortgage? I thought it was compulsory.

    I have no mortgage now, but on the whole I'd rather have my wife back.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,174 ✭✭✭screamer


    Absolutely disagree here, all it takes is an allegation of violence (without any proof and completely made up) and a baring order will ensure fathers have no rights married or otherwise. ive seen this happen to people i know.

    As for the original question marriage in Ireland is a waste of money and time these days and I will actively discourage my boys from getting married. Divorce is long drawn out expensive and messy and the men are left with nothing, but expected to pay for everything. Totally unfair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,987 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    There's a theory that a lot of marriages don't work out because way back in the day it was purely to procreate and we were dead within 5 years of the marriage hence why a lot of people stray because we're not designed to be loyal to one person.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭mulbot




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭optogirl


    Potential suicide (drowning) so insurance say that if they 'deem it likely' to have been self inflicted they will not pay out. Waiting for inquest and then the fight begins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭yagan


    Civilizations adapt. Some societies still think cousin marriage is ok but end up with high birth defect rates, Qatar I believe has it bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,294 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    A couple with a child, where only one spouse works, will pay about 5 grand less in tax each year simply by being married.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,451 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Oh ****, I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope they don't muck you about too much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,214 ✭✭✭witchgirl26


    Can I just clear up the whole automatic guardianship thing. If you are not married but are living together for at least 12 months in a row (3 months after the birth) then the father automatically has guardianship rights. Yes these are also granted upon marriage as well but it doesn't affect it if you've been living together.

    As for me - I think marriage is worth it if you're doing it for the right reasons, the actual marriage & not some big party. A wedding and a marriage are two very different things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,834 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    i worked for one employer who was massively prejudiced against non married staff. Holidays, shifts, training courses, sick leave etc…. All first preference and first option was given to married people or people with families of which 99% of those were married in that job. This was regardless of their seniority.

    Funny how it’s extremely incendiary / illegal to discriminate against people, based on sexuality, gender, race / nationality, disability etc……. But hey, a person who is single and or childless, it’s completely acceptable in some circles like employment to basically throw them and their rights / entitlements away when it suits some other parties, especially married people…. So I’d say based on what I witnessed and experienced it’s probably worth it yeah.. 😅

    None of the married gang minded one bit of course. 🤪



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    The expense of the wedding will pale to the expense of the divorce - the “wedding” itself can be as expensive or as reasonable as you both wish -most couples agree on the type of day they want first -budget comes later🤪

    As long as a lot of aspects of society still favour married people more from a financial perspective - everything from insurance to tax to inheritance etc then yes it’s probably the way to go.

    Is that reason enough to get married? Probably not if you’re independently wealthy - I’m probably olde fashioned and believe in love as the foundation of a good marriage - maybe that’s an outdated thing now - I’d hate to think people in general are getting married purely because of financial benefits - I know there was a well publicised case a few years ago of a same sex couple who weren’t even in a relationship but that was more the exception I would have thought - but yeah love for me is the foundation not money - but I’m totally accepting many marriages don’t work out - I’d probably be in favour of much more straightforward and cheap divorces especially when kids aren’t involved - I don’t care about “divorce” figures these days - they’re no one’s business but the couple at hand - but I’d like to see a fair divorce process - not sure it is right now



  • Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭Wezz


    Funny I've been thinking about this myself. I'm in a LTR, no kids and we are hoping to buy a house in the new year. We rent currently. I have concerns about what the implications are if we have a house and one of us dies, does the other have to pay tax on the inheritance. We don't intend to have children so the father's rights bit is moot but I kind of like the idea of her being my next of kin in the event of something happening and vice versa.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭Feline Groovy


    It comes from the view that children need their mother more because she's more nurturing and present. An old fashioned, simplistic view, and one that's plain wrong when it comes to some mothers, but that's the reason for it - and there was probably more truth to it way back when men looking after children alone was just not a thing.

    It's not just because she has a vagina.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭Feline Groovy


    Marriage imo is just a formality to protect people in the event of their relationship ending - pretty unromantic. However, marriages of convenience aside, love does have to come into it when you're agreeing to be tethered together forever. I'm not cynical for the sake of it - what it confers on the couple in terms of becoming family is very important. If an unmarried couple had the right to the same though, it would eliminate the heartache of divorce should the relationship end. And these massive weddings are absurd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭yagan


    Being married does make it easier as the house would be your joint estate. I don't know the exact procedure to getting tax clearance for inheriting in non married long term established relationship but I'd imagine it's just a little more drawn out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    If unmarried couples had the same rights as married couples, then the unmarried couples would have the exact same problems when they break up. It would be divorce by another name.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,612 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    If you both love each other , or are even compatible and know exactly what you both want , be it children a house or a farm to provide income , marriage is definitely worth a go . If you’re just doing it because it’s expected , you’re better off alone . From a bitter divorcee



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,713 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Off topic, but for the record discrimination on the grounds of marital or family status is unlawful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,713 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    This. There's no version of relationship breakdown in which splitting up one household to establish two households isn't going to be massively expensive, with both parties bearing suffering financial impact. Marriage provides a framework for negotiating and allocating those costs, but the costs arise, and you need a framework for dealing with them, whether you are formally married or not. Increasingly the trend is to assimilate the treatment of non-marital couples on relationship breakdown to the treatment of married couples on divorce — i.e. to give the courts the same powers to order property transfer, maintenance payment, etc regardless of whether the couple are married or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,089 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    No, it's because she has a womb, and carried the kids for nine months.

    Proper order, too, because she has bonded to the kids during those nine months in a way that's not possible for a person- with-a-penis.

    Post edited by Mrs OBumble on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,089 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    There is nothing about civil marriage which guarantees that a couple are exclusive, or conjugal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 thegreenapple


    Very sad society we live in if two people can't make these commitments work. Especially if there is kids involved.



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