Amazon WFH Policy

will they bring it back? Who knows. If they need to hire more people in the future, and they are failing to attract the talent they require, then I would wager nothing would be off the table.

The rational given by the CEO makes zero sense,
"Andy Jassy emphasized the benefits of in-person work, such as increased collaboration, innovation and cultural connection."
Thats pure BS, have a look at the amazon share price now compared to 2019, when everyone attended the office 5 days a week. Its all optics and money saving, this means that they don't have to announce and most importantly, pay for redundancies.

https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/4885672-amazon-return-office-controversy/

That is a misguided myth, I am afraid. No one is more or less likely to be promoted or saved if they work beyond what is asked of them. If anything, high performers (which would possibly earn more), would be more likely if anything to be cut in layoffs, bigger salary gone means bigger savings for the company.

Oh dear, that is not what I said :)

but there are ways to make it more likely you will be the one promoted or not the one cut.

People get promoted by doing their work, simple as that. As for your inference that if you work extra hard etc, that you would be less likely to be laid off etc, that is pure fallacy. When it comes to layoffs, it settles on the cost saved, not who works the hardest.

oh dear indeed, your post is there for anyone else to read.

It’s a given that people do their work, not everyone gets promoted, funny that ? If you don’t do your work you tend to get ushered out.

Your inference that being a better performer won’t make you any less likely to be laid off is pure fallacy.

The old Elon/Thanos is quite accurate. They'll just cut down the middle on financial basis. Perhaps the finance dept is duplicated or can be outsourced. Click it's gone top to bottom. R&D too expensive click it's gone.

That's said the whole interview for your job, that's classic. Nothing like it to cull numbers.

The rationale for a company defining their workplace regulations are not important. ie it doesnt matter why a company wants all employees back in the office. Ultimately it means that all employees will be back in the office and WFH is no longer an optiin in that company.

If all employers head in this direction the amount of jobs available that have WFH will be limited and the options to move jobs are further reduced.

you are typical of someone who has worked in one speciality and thinks that their reality is all reality. I have both worked in an insolvency practice and implemented a headcount reduction program where we reduced headcount by 20 percent in a business , I know exactly how we identified where headcount was to be cut and the employees salary was way down the list.

Anyway enough of your attempted condescension, I’ll leave you go write some code from home safe in the knowledge that you know it all :D

Got love how the twitter did it...

"...Some of those who are being asked to return were laid off by mistake. Others were let go before management realized that their work and experience may be necessary.."

https://www.reuters.com/technology/twitter-asks-some-laid-off-workers-come-back-bloomberg-news-2022-11-06/

Amazon are also doing similar, here just bringing everyone back a sweeping decision. Blunt force.

I never said I was the one laid off, did I? 😉

That is also a pretty repulsive thing to say to someone. Nice work there.

Doesn't say much about your argument that you have to revert to insults like that.

Is that the fall back when you can tackle the argument now? Oh dear. Keep working hard buddy 😘

Yeah that sentence makes no sense, good work 😘

And just to tag onto that…..

I have also seen well capable intelligent guys not get promoted because they wouldn't look well representing the Irish site when the US visitors called.

Say it like it is type fellas who wanted the work done and called out those whom werent pulling their weight. Not very PC these days.

I woudlnt bother, Cyrus seems to get flustered / agressive whenever somebody gets one up on him, or doesnt agree with him.. has he called you passive agressive yet for quoting his words back at him :)?

100%. Unfortunately I have seen that too.

Gets one up 🤣

go back to bed

Better prospects yes, appreciation? not sure about that, depends on how you define appreciation, if its pay then yes when things are going well you well be appreciated.

Also if pretending to care about diversity, employee welfare and pool tables and consoles are your thing youll enjoy it!

Some of ye seem to think that all that matters is to get the job done and targets met.

Unfortunately there are very few piece rate contracts. Almost all of us are contracted to work for your employer for N hours per day. That means if you get your work done quicker from home, you need to be asking for more work to do.

Some of ye seem to think that all that matters is to get the job done and targets met.

Yes, that is all that matters, simple as that.

You are naive if you think otherwise, or you are still in this master/slave relationship. Do you think that or staying late is what matters, going the extra mile? People who work more than what is needed are rewarded with more work, not money. Once you do that you are just making the company more money for it's shareholders.

Unfortunately there are very few piece rate contracts. Almost all of us are contracted to work for your employer for N hours per day. That means if you get your work done quicker from home, you need to be asking for more work to do.

Complete horse. If you get your work done quicker, you are doing your job. It is up to the company to give you the appropriate amount of work to do, whether that be at home or in an office.

On the one hand I don't see how they get the genie back in the bottle. There's people in companies all over the world that have never know anything other than hybrid working.

On the other hand a lot of people want more hybrid/more wfh days. More leeway etc.

Like a drug, some people aren't satisfied with just a taste. They want the whole bag.

I'm just relaying my experiences, full of virtue signallers.

The penny drops. It is all their fault, not yours.

How would I dress your rubbish? You think you think based on your experience you somehow think that that makes it fact. Am I going to change your mind? Unlikely, doesn't make it right though.

I will try to understand this. I am an expert in my own experiences, we all are for that fact. You are using generalisations to make yours, I am not. All those "virtue signallers" must have left a mark on you.

I am not looking for you to change my mind, just reverting to calling it "rubbish" and having a little dig kinda shows you haven't got any substance at all to back up what you are even trying to say.

Best leave it there, I can see you don't like those big tech companies and all their money, those pesky virtue signallers.

I think you need to feel like you had a little win today in an internet argument frank so tell you what I'll leave you to it, I think you need it more than me.

So kind of you.

As for virtue signallers leaving a mark on me? I suppose they did I wouldn't willingly go back into that environment, and luckily for me there's a lot more money outside of it and you don't need to put your preferred pronouns on your email signature so it's a win win.

It seems they did, make sure you point to where they touched you on the chart when they ask. Pronouns in emails…the world has gone mad, hasn't it? Something tells me you wouldn't fit in well in that environment, so for everyone involved, let's hope you steer clear.

Take care now.

Frank Bullitt (He/Him)