Hezbollah pager explosions

in 1967? no they didn't.

they were going to invade first, other countries got wind and mobilised forces to secure their borders and while they were doing so israel hit.

israel made false flag claims to blackmail america to help them and provide weaponry.

even the israely generals involved in that and the 1973 war admitted that israel's claims were bogus, apparently on tape.

the IDF have done nothing different to what they did in 2006.
same type of targets, commanders leaders assets and so on, they still lost in 2006 even though they took the gloves off then.
if israel tries to launch a full scale attack on iran they will lose, iran will put up with the odd scientist or diplomat being killed because well it's annoying for them but it's not the be all and end all but a full scale attack and the gloves will be off.
power plants can easily be rebuilt in time and attacking power plants is a war crime anyway, war crimes being what israel always engages in being a terrorist state.

Absolutely not true. The civil rights movement ended the sectarian aspect, and all the IRA did was slow that down by causing the British to bring in new limits on our civil rights such as internment without trial. If the PIRA had not existed, there might well have been a peaceful reunification like East and West Germany years ago.

(Maybe you can tell us about a single incident where the IRA saved a civilian from British or loyalist violence? That other poster hasn't been able to.)

israel won't be destroying or straightening anyone, hamas and hesbala ETC will continue to exist just like they have always done.
the only way october 7th wouldn't have happened is if israel didn't throw open the borders.
russia invaded ukrain in 2014, they were always going to likely invade it whatever happened to iran.
plenty of us are pro-palestinian state and condemn russia's invasion of ukrain.
even if america were to help israel, there is little they can do to iran to have any real effect long term, iraq was a quagmire, afghanistan was a complete failure, iran only lost to iraq during the iran iraq war because america helped iraq and that turned out to be a **** show.

ultimately, america's foreign policy is backfiring again and it will be the rest of us who pay in some form as per.

You have one particular interpretation of the history of northern Ireland.
The civil rights movement ended the sectarian aspect? What does this even mean. Sectarianism and the loyalist workers strike collapsed the Northern Ireland government.
IRA violence, like all violence is abhorrent but like it or not the civil rights movement was met with state violence. Bloody Sunday started as a civil rights March and ended with 14 unarmed civilians murdered by the British Army. When peaceful protesters are shot dead, be it in Ireland or Palestine, it is inevitable that they will eventually fight back.

it's absolutely true the PIRA ended the sectarian state.
the civil rights movement were shot and beaten off the streets, they were essentially destroyed.
the british were always going to bring in new limits on your freedoms once protests started against the sectarian apartheid state because that is what the british empire did because they would not have wanted the civil rights movement to be a success hence why there were attacks on them including bloody sunday.
there wouldn't have been a reunification because britain wanted northern ireland for military purposes, to keep a military presence on the island of ireland.
they would never have allowed any reunification unless the armed struggle was continuing passed 2003 for which they would not have the resources for iraq afghanistan and northern ireland and by that stage a military presence on the island of ireland would be redundant due to military modernisation.
the PIRA saved countless civilian lives by preventing the loyalist killings from being nothing more then tit for tat and such tit for tat killings of civilians were unjustifiable.
however without the PIRA the loyalists would have committed ethnic cleansing at best and a full on genocide at worst.

Normally one would urge people to pursue entirely peaceful means to achieve statehood, but the Palestinians are coming up against a far right, racist government (supported by far right racists globally) who regard them as second class citizens. It's hardly a surprise some of them are going the violent route, even when violence is nearly always counter-productive and wrong.

You say the Hamas Charter is online and you seem to be familiar with it.
Could you quote the paragraph where it states their goal is the complete extermination of the citizens of Israel?

Your surrender is accepted.

No. Just no.

https://www.google.com/search?q=is+turkey+a+dictatorship&oq=is+turkey+a+dictatorship&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDczODFqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

The last election went to a run off. The local elections this year saw a huge drop on support for him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Turkish_local_elections

He's not a dictator. Dictators don't go to run offs. Dictators political parties don't lose elections

where is this plan?

seriously there is enough to discuss without inventing 💩 and conspiracies

Are you saying that SF/PIRA were a democratic group, fighting for 'democracy'?

When did they have this mandate, and who gave it to them, via said democratic means?

I must have missed that 'vote' in the history books….

You are talking utter shite.

While few of the pro Palestinian or pro Hezbollah people will condemn Russia for anything, they'll change their tune when it hits their pocket and daily lives.

When inflation jumps up to 2 figures again, maybe it might dawn on people.

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

It calls on Muslims to find Jews and kill them.

Its quite explicit in this regard, but hey you might think defending these guys is a good look. It isnt.

Additional Reading.

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/hamas-its-own-words

Statements by Hamas officials make clear the terrorist organization’s commitment to destroying Israel and killing Jews and Israelis around the world. 

Good luck defending that.

Post like this show who are Hamas apologists.

The facts are Hamas were fringe within Palestine until Netanyahu started facilitating the funnelling of Qatari money to Hamas in order to undermine Fatah who were starting to seem like a legitimate government of a putative Palestinian state

If there hadn’t been a Civil Rights March the paratroopers wouldn’t have had to shoot any unarmed civilians. Great logic there volchitsa.

The IRA killed 700 British soldiers as well as another 150 or so UDA/UVF members. Whos to say one of those 850 militants could have shot and killed a catholic or two - So the IRA also used the tactic of "pre-emptive" defence saving Nationalists lives in the process.

No they didn't. I was a teenager during various series of tit-for-tat killings: the IRA would attack a police officer or UDR man, and in return the loyalists would murder a catholic civilian. We weren't allowed out of our area until someone else was killed, as that then meant we were "safe" until the next time - so how TF was that the IRA saving civilians? Do you think those police officers were still randomly arriving in nationalist areas and killing people? They weren't. The civilian deaths among nationalists were entirely as "punishment" by loyalist paramilitaries for IRA actions - and those actions were not carried out to demand civil rights for nationalist - by then those problems were pretty much solved anyway. But even if they hadn't been that was not what the IRA was looking for.

Same thing the Israelis are doing. Saving their civilians by taking out Hamas / Hezbollah before they get a chance to kill a civilian.

And here I am now having to defend the IRA😏 - it's positively hilarious how little people in the south understand the mechanics of what actually happening - or maybe it's the effect of time, and they've just forgotten: NO, it's not like that because the IRA NEVER kidnapped and murdered dozens of protestant civilians just for being protestant.

TBH I don't think it's because they were too nice to do that - it's more because they knew the limits of what the nationalist community would accept. There's a reason why the Omagh bombing caused the end of any effective dissident IRA activity.

But while were on the subject the IRA (Hamas / Hezbollah) are in similar positions as in all three organisations are / were defending their territories against a much more heavily armed nation. Its a well know fact that Netanyahu wants the state of Israel to expand to include the Palestinian territories and Lebanon. Its also a well know fact that the British empire never wanted to give up the North.

But you also have to remember that the IRA were never defeated militarily.

The same could be said about the current conflict in Israel - Hamas and Hezbollah will never be defeated no matter what Israel throws at them (internment??, air strikes etc)

There's a lot of interesting stuff in there, some of it valid, but the parallels are tenuous. For instance, air strikes? There's just nothing comparable in Northern Ireland.

It was a process of peace that brought about change in the North.

Its gone on long enough and the only way to achieve a lasting peace is probably in a similar fashion to what happened in the North. Disarmament from Hamas / Hezbollah , a stop to the indiscriminate bombing from the Israeli side and maybe a withdrawing to recognised borders and then borders possibly redrawn to a fairer distribution of land for both sides of the conflict.

But someone has to be the bigger person and start that process - at the minute it looks like neither side is willing to even discuss a peace plan.

Again, lots that's interesting in there, but I'm at work and can't reply properly. Two quick points though:

The IRA wasn't defeated militarily because there was no need - the British had thoroughly infiltrated it to the extent that the "nutting squad" was identifying the wrong people and killing them instead of the actual spies. It's suspected that a number of leaders who were most involved in the peace process were also British agents. I've no idea if that's true but it's definitely true that some of them have had a heck of a lot more luck than others in not being jailed or taken out by the British.

As for being the bigger person: October 7th, and the promise to repeat it mean that Israel can't just "be the bigger person". Because their first duty is to Israeli civilians, and while Hamas promise to continue murdering civilians (something the IRA always denied wanting to do) there is just no equivalence with the NI peace process.

Replace "have had to" with "have had an excuse to" and you will have posted an honest response. But your post, quoted above, is sheer bad faith from you.

Bye now.

This is what you want?

If there hadn’t been a Civil Rights March the paratroopers wouldn’t have had an excuse to shoot any unarmed civilians.

This might make sense to you. I still dont see an excuse for shooting 26 unarmed civilians , killing 14.

This canard again. Israel's very survival is not at stake. They are one of the most formidable armies in the world with nuclear weapons. Who are also backed up by a superpower.

Whatever intent their enemies may have, they simply are not a threat to the survival of the state of Israel . We are seeing the proof of that play out in Lebanon. Hezbollah have been severely weakened, their backer, Iran, have no stomach to intervene because they know they will lose and that risks the end of their rule.