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You made the (false) charge that under attack nationalists flocked for protection to the IRA after Bombay St.

That there was a democratic will for nationalists to fight back with violence.

Ahistorical clap trap.

You are just making things up now.
Whete did I say there was a democratic will for anything? Thsts right I didn’t?

Was 1919 IRA a paramilitary force?

That what doesn't exist?

A plan to kill all 12 million people in Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon, and depopulate the area totally?

Can you find my any credible source that alludes to this 'plan'?

And no, bingo card soundbites like "Genocide hmm'kay" or a 'map' are not evidence.

You made the claim that Hamas’s number 1 priority is to “Kill all the Jews in Israel and all around the world” but you don’t seem to be able to support your claim so post a link to something that doesn’t say this as a distraction.
Not very clever.

Yes, as that poster failed to point out there were mass protests against the Iraq War and calls for the use of Shannon by the Americans to stop. He or she didn't claim people protesting against the Russian invasion were Russianphobes and that calls for sanction were further examples of it.

He/she also wasn't posting complaining about people protesting the War in Ukraine on the basis they didnt protest the war in Ethiopia first. Why were they so focused on Russia. Clearly they were haters of the entire nation of Russia, as opposed to being against the actions of Putin and his cronies.

While there is antisemitism, that poster would like to equate any and all of criticism as Israel as being anti semitic simply because he/ she can't brook criticism of Israel. That's what it boils down too. Bear in mind the very same poster defends the action of Irgun while claiming to be against political violence because non state actors have no legitimacy, except when it comes to Israel.

Yes, an imagined conversation by a right wing Tic Toker sums up the views of many here.

and yet america failed to do that and the viet cong won.
yeah yeah, israel simply lashes out more because it wants to slaughter as many as they can so they can settle the land, they even tell you this.

it wasn't a pre-emtive strike, it was an invasion to steal more land.

israel won thanks to america, ergo it was actually america that won because israel would have been militarily neutralised which it would have deserved to have been, if it wasn't for the americans falling for the immotional blackmail.

Mark keeps using “casus belli” as justification.
Just like the Germans did in 1939, Russians did in 2022, US did in 2003.

Warned and 1 day forum ban applied

Ah the hoary old 'proportionality ' excuse. That Israelis are better at defending themselves than Hamas or Hezbollah is actually used against them by lefties in Ireland.

If a rocket is fired at israel it's one too many. Proportionality doesn't mean they can only fire one for one. They can fire 100 to 1 if they feel it necessary to neutralise the threat. Same with deaths.. if its 50 to 1 it's neither here nor there. Hamas and Hezbollah are getting crushed. That's not against 'proportionality '. Irish people in general are so bad on military stuff it's shocking. You're ordinary European,Brit ,American has some idea of the laws of war and military stuff. Alot of Irish people especially on here are only interested in 'victimhood'... its the famine hangover..' The Most Oppressed People Ever..' fairytale ...thats morphed into a country that can't defend its skies or waters and relies on its so called colonial masters ( colonial colleagues is accurate) to defend themselves. You couldn't make it up. So we go for the terrorists...time and time again.

Looks like they are going full force today but not launching much retaliatory strikes, so full steam ahead with breaks on.

The reality is that, like Hamas. Hezbollah place key assets and resources under civilian blocks...

Unlike Hamas much of what they have near the south is in open and empty country whereas Hamas could always use the civilian infrastructure as bases and human cover.

Hezbollah and Lebanon are just having the reality of war pointed out. They have been attacking since last Oct and they won't like what being stopped means.

Due care will be taken but the hard logic of war will also ensure.

An ex IDF chief of staff said he expects presence on the ground in Gaza into next summer.

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/october-forbes-issue-featured-mark-zuckerberg-not-hamas-official-2023-11-09/

Beheading babies and putting babies in ovens surely you believe that is a priority too 🙄

but they aren't better at defending themselves because they slaughter so many civilians in an attack.
they are actually **** at defending themselves in fact.
hamas and hesbala are being temporarily weakened yes, but like always they will rebuild because the problem ultimately is israel and it's greed cause a sky fairy said they are entitled.

Ireland is in the haypenny place when it comes to victim mentality.
Israel’s defence as you acknowledge is based on hand outs from America to buy rockets invented by Nazis. Maybe the best way to guarantee security is to be less Killy.

October the 7th .

The reality is that Israel can do what it wants for some. All they need to do after committing another atrocity is just say "eh yeah, there was a Hamas Hezbollah fella nearby …. eh … using the kids in that playschool as an eh ..human shield. Yes that's it."

Critical thinking isn't a skill acquired by many people. But no harm to think for one's self the odd time rather than blindly swallowing the same excuses over and over

Seems like Hesbollah exist on the tolerance of the IDF. They know who's who and who's where at all times and just wait for their moment. Must be concerning.

the evidence would suggest otherwise.

sure, the IDF will find out who is who as they did in 2006 and before hand, take them out and so on, but ultimately hesbala exists on the fact that israel's might hasn't and won't ultimately defeat them.

even in the event they did, something else more extreme will replace it because while israel wants to be a genocidal state that steals land and slaughters, other forces will step up to try and stop it from achieving such aims.

Sky news

Israel appears to have rejected ceasefire attempts by seven Western nations and three from the Middle East.

Israel's leader Benjamin Netanyahu stands accused of playing a double game, telling US diplomats he would approve a truce before publicly doing the opposite.

According to Israeli media, Western diplomats claim Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu privately agreed to a ceasefire with US interlocutors, but then distanced himself from the idea in public.

Western diplomats have become used to such ambiguity from the Israeli leader over Gaza too. 
Chance to explain himself

Last night, the Biden administration was confident enough of success to say this to Sky News and other organisations: 

"I can share that we have had this conversation with the parties and felt this was the right moment, based on the call, based on our discussion, they're familiar with the texts and we'll let them speak to their actions. We're expecting the deal in the coming hours."

That confidence appears to have been misplaced.

Trust between the US and the Netanyahu government will have been dealt yet another blow.

No amount of historical revision changes the fact that those who made Aliyah to the Holy Land did not do so with the intention of setting up a colony for a foreign power, nor the fact that they did not have a single metropolitan state that they all came from. This is totally unlike the 13 colonies that became the US, or French Louisiana, Spanish Florida etc. The intention was always to set up an independent homeland which by dictionary definition, makes them not colonists.

Settlers, maybe. Conquerors, maybe. But not colonists.

A basic understanding Israeli demographics would confirm this.

Israeli Jews - Wikipedia

Where is their metropole?

Without using the word metropole in the answer, do you have a problem with Palestinians being forced out of their homes and off their land so foreign "settlers" can take it because they believe their god says it's ok?

You can dance on the head of a pin all you want SeanW but it won't change facts. Keep trying to convince yourself if you want. Maybe some day you will manage that. As pointed out already on the thread (for all the relevance it is) but the original Pilgrims moved to the Americas with similar intentions. You'd can believe that every person who emigrated there from this island in the 18th century went on a mission to set up a colony for their English betters. I have no doubt you have the self belief in your ability to read that minds of those long-dead people. As did the Dutch who went to what is now NY and the Germans who went to Pennsylvania. They all went to establish a colony for the English. Or whatever you are having yourself.

It comes across that you read something on twitter about a "metropole" and you just keep repeating it over and over again. If it makes you happy then who am I to stop you. It's a bit boring at this stage