Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

Itssoeasy · 24-09-2024 8:12pm

The brexiteer lot are complaining that because the EU is checks notes controlling their borders, that Christmas supplies to the the UK may be affected. Do they seriously not hear what they are saying out loud ? At the risk of all of us repeating ourselves here, the UK voted to leave the EU and that included the customs union and the single market. Again they left of their own accord. So can they stop **** complaining about something they did on their own ?

Hotblack Desiato · 26-09-2024 9:53pm

They didn't actually vote to leave the customs union or single market. In fact several leading Brexiteers promised that one, or the other, or both would not happen.

Well… the electorate didn't vote to leave CU or SM. Parliament did.

Hotblack Desiato · 26-09-2024 9:57pm

I suppose we could sum it up as

"Who knew that putting up trade barriers would present barriers to trade?"

ancapailldorcha · 27-09-2024 12:51am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122658097#Comment_122658097

Do we really need to drag all this up again? It's been 8 years. It doesn't matter at this point. The UK is out, Farage is finally an MP after nearly 10 attempts and nobody is seriously talking about fixing the damage, ie becoming an EU member.

Hotblack Desiato · 27-09-2024 2:15pm

Apparently we do, if we have posters saying that leaving the EU means inevitably leaving the CU and SM 😉

Not only did they choose to leave, their parliament chose to leave in the most damaging way possible.

ancapailldorcha · 27-09-2024 2:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122659793#Comment_122659793

We don't. It's done and time travel is impossible. There is no going back. The whole thing was so vague that I can see that voting leave meant remaining in both the CU and SM while someone else could argue for leaving both and we'd both be right and wrong. There's nothing more to it than that.

rock22 · 29-09-2024 11:30am

@ancapailldorcha "

The UK is out, … and nobody is seriously talking about fixing the damage, ie becoming an EU member."

The British government is very seriously talking about fixing the damage because the only route to economic recovery is closer ties to the UK's nearest market, i.e. the EU. That is why Starmer is heading to Brussels next week to talk with the EU Commission.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/sep/29/starmer-visit-to-brussels-could-lead-to-overhaul-of-brexit-deal

Whether you acknowledge it or not, Brexit will never be done, because the affects will continue to impact on the UK and there will always be attempts to mitigate, as much as possible, the damages.

I accept that Starmer and the Labour party could not be explicit about re-joining the EU during an election but either this government , or a future government, will have to face up to the reality that economic growth will involve some sort of closer relationship.

ancapailldorcha · 29-09-2024 1:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122665090#Comment_122665090

From the article:

The prime minister will meet Ursula von der Leyen in Brussels on Wednesday. However, it comes with home secretary Yvette Cooper still vehemently opposed to an agreement that would allow young people to move more freely between Europe and the UK – a measure that EU diplomats regard as key to unlocking more serious talks in the spring.

The EU’s ambassador to the UK, Pedro Serrano, recently appeared to put forward a relatively narrow youth mobility scheme that would allow young Europeans to spend a gap year in Britain more easily, and vice versa. A more comprehensive deal was rejected out of hand by Starmer, leaving officials in Brussels unsure about how serious the UK really is about beefing up its EU links.

I'm glad there is communication and I respect that the Home Secretary, Yvette Cooper is under great pressure to limit migration but if something this small can't be agreed, how will there be any progress? The UK government, true to form, can't decide what it wants itself. That said, I may be proven wrong and we'll see real progress. If not, London and Brussels meeting cordially can only be a good thing.

Brexit is done. It was done on the 30th January 2020. It is objectively done. What have now is the relationship between the UK and its closest neighbours as well as the one between London and Brussels. One of the main things preventing open discussion about rejoining is the lack of a serious movement. Brexit had at least one and it was deeply entrenched in both the media and the Conservative party. Without it, I can't see the UK applying for membership soon.

yagan · 29-09-2024 1:25pm

The Brexit mandate this UK government has is to not talk about Brexit.

They can go to Brussels but the best I can see happening is a sectoral agreement in which no EU businesses are impacted. Even in the weapons industry the Ukraine invasion has shaken EU governments to increase production, and they won't give the UK a leg up if there's no greater EU alignment involved.

Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

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"Who knew that putting up trade barriers would present barriers to trade?"