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Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Really enjoyed that one. Some thoughts:

    1. Cracking game of rugby, and a good atmosphere in lovely conditions. Connacht will feel they left that one behind, but very enjoyable all round.
    2. That said, Munster's error count just way too high. We shored up the early lineout issues, but other errors continued all game.
    3. Nank deserved MOTM, but Haley equally could've gotten it imo. Both had a fine game, just excellent all day.
    4. Casey was excellent, the poor bit of defending for Ioane's try aside. Was really in the wars as well, and made some excellent snipes. Clear yellow for Cordero for me, but thought it should've been looked at as a possible penalty try, not sure there was cover in behind.
    5. Tom Farrell had a bit of a mixed bag. Some brilliant stuff in attack but 1 or 2 mistakes defensively, biting in.
    6. Shane Daly is just routinely solid for us a this point, especially defensively but had some nices breaks for us as well today, like line-break off a set moved on 2nd phase in the 2nd half.
    7. Burns didn't have a great game by any means (the 2 kicks to touch, but he threw 2 hospital passes to Barron and Coombes as well) but you'd have to hope the injury isn't too bad. I wouldn't like to have to rely on Tony Butler and probably Rory Scannell until Crowley is available. Butler with a couple of costly missed tackles, but he'll learn from it.
    8. Thought Ruadhán Quinn was disappointing, was hoping for more from him.
    9. From a Connacht perspective, Josh Murphy had a fine game on both sides of the ball.
    10. Feels like I need a 10th point to round it out so…. welcome back Jean Kleyn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,436 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Loved that game, 10 tries, 9 conversions and only one attempt at kicking a penalty. Both sides will be annoyed at their defence but some nice running rugby at times too.

    New centre partnership, new halfback pairing and we score 5 tries, not to be sneezed at, at all.

    We start the season with similar errors we had in the warm up games but I'll take a BP win in an InterPro anytime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,266 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    My thinking is that Butler could well be, but bringing Burns in will do little else but stall his (and someone like Hicks, albeit to a lesser extent) development. Obviously the squad is looking a little light on experience at 10 so it might make sense to bring in an older hand to guide the others in their development, i just don't think BB is of a high enough quality for that



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,220 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    A better player won't agree to be second fiddle to Crowley. Burns is the perfect back up. If Butler is good enough then he'll overtake Burns.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Should be looking at wins vs Zebre and Ospreys now, before the Leinster game and trip to SA. Think it's the first time since the SA teams have been added that we have them this early in the season?

    Thought Abrahams was quiet, didn't really get into the game much. Decent kick or 2, mixed bag with his tackling, but on that evidence are we expecting the 1st choice back 3 to remain Daly, Nash and Haley? Or where does Kilgallen come into it when back from injury?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,778 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Take nothing for granted! We could very easily lose to Zebre and Ospreys if we don't wake up after the way we played on Saturday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,436 ✭✭✭✭phog


    I don't know if Burns is the man but we definitely needed someone of his experience now that Crowley is the starting Irish 10. It's only a one year contract too for Burns so worth the punt.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,220 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Connacht are a far better team than either Zebre or Ospreys. We should be looking at 10 points while reintegrating the rest of the internationals over the two games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,436 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Thought Abrahams was quiet, didn't really get into the game much

    The spoiling at ruck time didn't help fast ball so he probably suffered a bit by that, when Casey upped the tempo with with quick tap free kicks then we cut them open. Daly had a few good hits in defence, especially when we were trying to pen Connacht back in their own half late in the game. Hard to see Nash and/or Haley losing out so a few players are probably vying for the one spot



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Daly's just so good defensively; once or twice (and in particular one late on around the 75th minute) he just shut down a 1-on-1, it slowed the attack and stopped all of Connacht's momentum. He's just so good at that, and on scramble. More than solid at the ruck too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,436 ✭✭✭✭phog


    He gave away one penalty for crawling through a ruck in an attempt to counter ruck but other than that his defence was brilliant. He is great at presenting a ball for quick ball after being tackled to the ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,266 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    as much as i agree that if hes good enough he'll overtake BB, it will be very hard for him to do that if hes barely getting any gametime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,436 ✭✭✭✭phog


    https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2024/09/23/squad-update-munster-begin-preparations-for-zebre/

    Billy Burns was removed with a shoulder injury and will go for a scan. His availability for Saturday will be determined later in the week.

    Patrick Campbell suffered a shoulder injury while in AIL action for Young Munster and will have a specialist review.

    There is good news for Dave Kilcoyne as he returns to full training this week.

    Continuing to rehab: Diarmuid Kilgallen (leg), Brian Gleeson (shoulder), Cian Hurley (knee), Tom Ahern (ankle), Rory Scannell (ankle), Paddy Patterson (knee), Edwin Edogbo (achilles), Roman Salanoa (knee).



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    With Scannell injured as well, even as a break glass option, that could leave us pretty short at 10 if Crowley isn’t back sooner rather than later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭Boscoirl


    what’s Damian McKenzie upto for the next couple of months…. 👀



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,154 ✭✭✭letowski


    Campbell just can't catch a break.

    I thought they mentioned Ahern was with Jean Klyen in his final stages of rehab a few weeks ago. Hopefully we'll see him soon.



  • Registered Users Posts: 434 ✭✭sliabh 1956


    Rowntrees comments about Butlers defensive frailities was strange to say the least . Not very reassuring for a young player in his first Season as 1st team squad member



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭50HX


    He called it correctly, I fail to see how "we had a chat there & he knows he has a lot of work to do in the defensive channell " is some how you viewing him not reassuring a young player when it was preceeded by "I am proud of him"

    Jaysus nobody can take some criticism anymore

    I like Rowntrees interviews esp post match as he v honest



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,872 ✭✭✭budhabob


    Finally got to watch the match, very scrappy but a decent win with the basics to work on - not a bad platform to launch your season from.

    I was delighted for Haley, he finished last season in a poor vein of form (by his very high standards) so this game will set him up nicely in terms of confidence this season.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,220 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    It was mentioned last week that he's due back for the Ospreys game. I'm sure if needed he could sit on the bench on Saturday.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,220 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    I heard it somewhere last week that he was a little behind Kleyn but not too far away either. Hopefully not too far, would love to see him kick on from last season's form and maybe get an Ireland shot in the AI's.

    Cian Hurley seems to be another in the "can't catch a break" group.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,284 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Signing for Leinster as injury cover for Jordie Barrett.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,436 ✭✭✭✭phog


    After the match on Saturday, in the dressing room, the 3 new caps were welcomed to the squad (in front of their families) and presented with their jersey, each by a player.

    Nice touch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭50HX


    Great to see Hollie appointed as ref for Sat v Zebre



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    One of the better refs in the league, for my money.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Team news. Shane Daly at 13 a bit of a surprise, but Nankivell unavailable. Looking forward to seeing how Tony Butler gets on. Anyone know much and Bryan Fitzgerald? I've heard he's a centre?

    Munster: Mike Haley; Calvin Nash, Shane Daly, Tom Farrell, Thaakir Abrahams; Tony Butler, Craig Casey; Josh Wycherley, Diarmuid Barron (c), Oli Jager; Jean Kleyn, Fineen Wycherley; Ruadhán Quinn, John Hodnett, Gavin Coombes.

    Replacements: Niall Scannell, Jeremy Loughman, John Ryan, Jack Daly, Jack O’Donoghue, Conor Murray, Bryan Fitzgerald, Shay McCarthy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,174 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Fitzgerald didn't really play age grade with munster. Playing with garryowen and was a stand out player in game between munster development and the north munster ail select side at end of last season. 24/15 year old centre



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Pretty reliant on Tony Butler at 10 so. You’d imagine if he picked up an injury it’d be Murray into 10?

    And - tale as old as time - Gavin Coombes covering lock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,436 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Daly played centre during one of the preseason games, Fitz is a Garryowen AIL and in on a short term deal, he had to make one of the early games if he was hoping to get an extension.

    Coombes is making his 100th cap tomorrow.

    Unfortunately Nankivell picked up a knock so not available and worse agat for poor Liam Coombes picked up a knock yesterday so not available.

    Yep, no obvious outhalf on the bench so Murray stands in there, if required.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    The back 3 looks pretty tasty on paper anyways, with a nice bit of pace on both wings. Hopefully will run in a few quality tries….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,436 ✭✭✭✭phog


    My concern, from the pre-season game in Cork, our midfield was porous and Zebre can and do score tries, they could be smacking their lips at our midfield pairing, though Farrell did steady the ship when he came on.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Add in Tony Butler and 10 who wasn't great defensively the last day (but showed some mettle with the kicks to be fair to him), and you'd imagine it's definitely an area they'll go after.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,011 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Can we expect the big guns like O Mahony and Crowley to return against leinster?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,220 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Well Nash and Murray are back this week. There'll be a few more (including Crowley) back next week. I'd expect everyone back by Leinster.



  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 8,142 ✭✭✭fitz


    Munster really in trouble here against Zebre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,260 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Munster have melted down this half.



  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 8,142 ✭✭✭fitz




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭Boscoirl


    zebra have been excellent.

    Munster pack nowhere. No impact from bench apart from one scrum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 77 ✭✭niallm77


    Munster basics are awful. So many poor passes and poor handling



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,260 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Incredible effort from Zebra to win.

    Munster were so ineffective up front in the second half. Won so few contacts on either side of the ball.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭50HX


    Don't know where to start

    Zero leadership on the pitch from half time on

    Not even a losing bonus point

    Zebre fully deserved it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,050 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Disgraceful performance from Munster

    Need a serious kick up the backside



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,284 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Jesus. I need a drink. Not even the LBP



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,154 ✭✭✭letowski


    Embarrassing result and performance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,695 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    Outstanding result for the URC

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,854 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    No disrespect to Zebre but that's a shocking result for Munster. Very poor performance. Not Good enough



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,220 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    I think they just got one.

    Shocking performance. A game lost at the breakdown. Penalty after penalty given away. Two trys conceded due to awful pillar defence. And an intercept thrown in for to make it even worse.



  • Registered Users Posts: 434 ✭✭sliabh 1956


    Poor Tony that must be crushing for him to be replaced by Murray Rowntree makes another crazy call



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,220 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    It wasn't in any way a crazy call and it would have been a pre match call. Murray was covering both 9 and 10 and you get your most experienced players on the pitch when you're chasing a game.



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