Israel are going to start WWIII

I'm fairly certain that announcing that you want to kill terrorists doesn't count as genocide though.

The death of Nasrallah is a historic moment. By all accounts he was moderate in his leadership of Hezbollah. The dropping of bunker bombs in residential areas in another country, which is not a war with Israel is a true act of terrorism and war crimes. Netanyahu is a modern day Hitler. He is making Israel a pariah state and potentially threatening the existence of the country.

The U.S unwavering backing for Israel is making a mockery of the office of President. The U.S is now a joke in international circles and has arguably lost it's moral authority. I don't hate the people of Israel but I detest the leaders and the IDF with a passion. They are on a par with the Nazi's which is the mother of all ironies.

Israel has lost it's right to exist as a country. Now their must be a new country formed which includes the Palestinian Territories, incorporates Israel and allows both Jews and Arabs to live as equals. Their is simply no other solution now.

The British were pushed out of Eire and they are been pushed out of the North.

Ireland will be a nation again in a very short amount of time, but the history has been long.

Well, maybe (the Irish government seems on no hurry to organise a referendum does it?), but in the meantime, the British are still in charge in Northern Ireland. They even suspended Stormont again recently and were running it directly. But you claimed that if the British were still in Ireland, then Ireland would be kidnapping and killing random English citizens in the manner of October 7th. Which is not the case, right?

Unless you've decided that Northern Ireland is not in Ireland and not entitled to be part of Ireland.

Because otherwise, why shouldn't the IRA use Dublin as a base to start shooting rockets off at Liverpool? Or maybe you think they should? After all, you said you have "every confidence" that they would, if the British were still in Ireland. And they are.

How much support do you think there'd be in Dublin for such a campaign?

Israel is not the equivalent of a fascist state. Right now it IS a fascist state.

But they aren't about to start WWIII. They simply are not important enough to the big powers, or global geopolitics in general. Neither are Iran. Russia won't back Iran because they are unable right now and America is not going to blow up the middle east when it is trying to get the Kingdoms and the Emirates under its ambit.

The big tinderbox for the next generation is the Indian Ocean and South China Sea rim.

So when's the referendum for then? 🙄

Looks to me like the Dublin government really really doesn't want one. And it doesn't seem to a big electoral issue in the south either.

Almost as though people in the south are very happy for the status quo to continue as it is.

so Israel’s solution is kill all the natives

But your claim that the British are gone is wrong, isn't it? Now you're even admitting that it's up to the British when/whether there's a border referendum. After all, they already closed down Stormont before - they can do it again if they want.

So much for your claim that if the British were still in Ireland, the Irish would be kidnapping and killing English civilians. Go on, tell the truth: you weren't really counting Northern Ireland as part of Ireland when you made that stupid comment, were you?

Doesn't matter for the purposes of your claim that they are gone.

They aren 't - and yet nobody is supporting a killing campaign like Oct 7th - not even the dissident groups who think the IRA and the Irish government have sold the armed conflict ideology down the line.

Why do you think that is? Could it be that nobody in Ireland would accept such murderous behaviour from within Ireland, possibly because they know very well that the British would not sit there and take it, and that Ireland would be condemned by the civilised world for allowing it in the first place? Yet they expect Israel to do just that?

All a bit off-topic but you're confusing what actually happened with "the only thing that could have happened".

For instance in 1912, Home Rule for the whole country was about to happen, except for the outbreak of war, and had it not been for the Easter Rising, which was widely seen by the British - and indeed by many Irish: remember that the rebels were spat at in the streets of Dublin as they were brought to Kilmainham Gaol - as a stab in the back while they were busy fighting a war, we would likely have had Home Rule with a united Ireland shortly after the war, and thence full independence - all without the horrors of either the War of Independence and likely the Civil War too could have been avoided. The border would certainly have been avoided - even the Unionists didn't want that.

And if we had had Home Rule and then independence for the whole country, we would not only have had a far better economic situation starting out, but the existence of a significant protestant minority in the population would likely have made the whole place a more open, less priest-ridden country than the republic remained for decades.

Exactly at the time I'm referring to. Solomons kingdom was the most widespread of the kings. Even Sheba came to see him . You do know about the sheban inscriptions found during one of the archeological digs of Jerusalem? Probably not .

We've been told not to discuss it further on these threads. (On the other one, but I assume the logic is the same)

They intend to destroy Hamas as an organisation. If all the top Hamas officers surrendered to the IDF right now, what do you think would happen to them? If it meant the end of Hamas and their genocidal threats against Jews? They would be tried and sent to jail, but they would not be killed, because they would no longer be belligerents in a conflict, unlike (say) Hassan Nasrallah was. You remember him, right? The guy who said "there is no solution to the conflict in this region except with the disappearance of Israel" and called Israel "a cancer that must be eradicated".

Israel started it all by robbing all the locals lands along with killing a load of the natives .. Israel deserves all it gets and more - horrible evil nation

calling all the various Jewish people who settled there, “a violent terrorist cult” is really something.

Here’s a few examples of violence in that general region before ww1

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category%3ARebellions_in_Ottoman_Syria

I don’t think it mentions the Druze Christian conflicts. Eg

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1860_civil_conflict_in_Mount_Lebanon_and_Damascus

Plus in the wider region, the gradual establishment of Saudi Arabia was a bloody affair, over the centuries

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Saudi_Arabia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_conquest_of_Hejaz

Lots of anti jewish rhetoric here, I'd expect nothing less on this predominantly Irish board. I'm not jewish but if I were I'd expect that living here is like living in 1930s germany.

Israel has the right to defend itself, there are trees in Israel that exist from when the kingdom of israel was conquered by the romans. This is c 2000 years ago, and is older than the islamic religion, let alone those who are descended from the islamic tribes that conquered the area and attempted to kick out the jews between the 11th and 13th century. Or, you know, around the time the brits starting doing that to Ireland too.

I really don't understand the false equivalence Irish people draw between the palestinian ham*s settlers and the Irish struggle for independence.

by that of course you mean the total and unrestrained barbaric rape murder and pillage of every jew in the region followed by the rest of them world wide , not to forget the same for any christen and other sect they happen to run across in the ramage, as was shown on the 7th October when your islamic hero's got free access to its targets , men wemen and children, babes and the elderly , robbed raped and slaughtered like sheep . if you support that sort of action , im very concerned that you are out and about

Even assuming that were true for Israel, it's definitely true about America, Canada, Australia and New Zealand - so are they also horrible evil nations where babies and old people deserve to be kidnapped and murdered because their nation is so evil?

And most of south and central America too - do you think Brazilians and Argentinians all deserve a similar fate? What percentage of the Argentinian population is indigenous? It's a couple of percent at most, and probably not much more in Brazil.

The Lehi group, sometimes known as the Stern gang, was a violent terrorist cult. It referred to its own members as terrorists, and it described its acts as terrorism. It carried out massacres of Palestinian villages, carried out the first truck bombing and assassinated a UN mediator. Rather infamously, they befriended and then kidnapped two British army NCOs who they hung from trees and booby trapped the bodies. Just to be dicks. While cutting down the bodies, another was injured by the booby traps. Remember, this was the same British army which had liberated the concentration camps 2 years earlier but the level of evil hatred this group had placed no value on it. The publications of the Lehi group blatantly described Arabs as a slave race which summarises the modern israeli attitude to Arabs.

In 1948, the membership of this violent terrorist cult was inducted into the newly formed israeli defence forces. Many of its members were elected to the israeli legislature. Some became journalists. One became prime minister of israel. israel so much celebrated these self described terrorists, and their role in forging israel that in 1980 they introduced a Lehi ribbon as a commemoration of its terrorist activities.

This group - evil as it clearly was - was and is embraced by israel. When we see israel carrying out blatant massacres and terrorist attacks in Gaza and now in Lebanon, its not something new. It is inherently what israel is from its formation until now.

Do the Israelis really, truly believe that they can totally get rid of Hamas and Hezbollah?

Delusional.

They defeated both before and both came back stronger and in the case of Hamas inflicted much more damage.

Israel were warned by the US not to make the same mistakes the US made post 9/11 and seems they didn't listen.

Quite possibly years from now we will hear of a massive attack on Israel and it will be a surprise to some, an escalation, a shock etc… but it will be a direct result of what Israel is doing right now. Breeding the new terrorists and recruits. It will buy Israel a few years, a decade, maybe a few etc… but they won't rid the hate until all sides treat each other as humans and not animals.

A very disingenuous post that is. The point was that they openly celebrated the 9/11 attacks in New York.

Christians and Muslims live in Israel as well. Would a Christian or Jew be welcome in West Bank or Gaza? Whatever faults are there with Israel being an apartheid state is not one of them. Our country does have a history of treating the Jewish people poorly i think. Ireland did provide Nazi war criminals with a safe haven after the second world war after all.

Possibly not but they can weaken them, and they most certainly are doing that right now.

"I'm not jewish but if I were I'd expect that living here is like living in 1930s germany"

A wee bit of an exaggeration I think.