Israel are going to start WWIII

So to be clear, are you saying that Israel has no right to exist where it is?

And if not there, then where?

If not in the Middle East, then Europe or in the USA

Do you think Palestine has the right to exist? Do you think Lebanon has the right to exist?

I think it's more that they are leading the herd - from behind.

Plus why should people in Palestine and Lebanon suffer for what happened Jews in Europe?

Russia has an autonomous region, the Jewish Autonomous Oblast which pretty much is what it says on the label.

Either way, its not the job of the Palestinians to solve the problems of israel.

That's you saying that. I didn't say that. I mean trouble generally.

It's the most intractable conflict in the world that has impacted the whole world since it began and I don't see that ever changing really.

It seems hopeless.

If your going to base your logic on expanding a Jewish minority of less than 5% to 50%, your whole argument is based on very shaky foundations and can be dismissed as the propeganda it is.

According to a survey conducted in 2005, 61% of Jewish Israelis identified as either Mizrahi or Sephardic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews_in_Israel#Population_in_Israel

Of the estimated 1.5 million Sephardic Jews worldwide in the early 21st century (far fewer than the Ashkenazim), the largest number were residing in the state of Israel. The chief rabbinate of Israel has both a Sephardic and an Ashkenazi chief rabbi.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Sephardi

I have said this before, I do not see a soluton to the problem of Palestine. It will continue as a slow burn genocide until isreal achieves it's objective of a greater Israel. If Iran achieves nuclear weapons then I see a different outcome since they at some point it will inevitably use them. At this point the Isrealis will invoke the sampson option and that will represent the end of Europe and America. It won't happen quickly, but I do predict that in the next few decades Isreal will be the death of us all.

Irish people were never going to rally behind a country like Israel en masse. It has too much of a 'colonial oppressor' thing going on. Also, clearly a very right wing state and population ; another turn off for Irish people.

Population censuses of the Levant from before the Zionist colonization show the Jewish population to be around 5% of the total population. 5% doesn't get to claim ownership rights.

Why would they go to the middle east, invade the Palestinian people and build a state over the graves of the Palestinian people?

People talk as if there was no other choice - there was a choice, and even today the choice remains. The reality is, israel is doomed. It's prestige and diplomatic credibility is collapsed. It is a crippling weight attached to the necks of the USA, which is itself in clear decline and where more and more people are questioning why the US is so deferential to it. The north of israel is a warzone, from which settlers have fled. In the south Gaza is an open wound which israel cannot close. All its efforts in Gaza and Lebanon and the West Bank are showing israel cannot kill its way out of the problem.

Your point has zero merit.

There was an active Zionist campaign of migration and ethnic cleansing of Palestine. It doesn't make it legitimate that they flooded and bombed their way to demographic superiority in the region. it's a **** horror story of religiously motivated violence.

Your argument is pure facts on the ground that I simply ain't buying.

looks like an israeli response (coordinated with US) to repeated missile attacks on israel

You would think the Iranian pawns would learn. Iran supplies them with rockets, which they fire at Israel then sit back and watch them get pummeled by Israel.

That's a bit revisionist. The British were making promises to give the area of Palestine to Jewish people long before the Treaty of Versailles…………They were promising it even before it became their colony even.

I think the question the Iranian leadership are asking themselves is not so much about their professional army, but more whether Iran's young people, who are already deeply disenchanted with the regime, would be prepared to continue being conscripted into an army where they were mere cannon fodder against Israel.

They have about 190,000 professionals according to Wikipedia plus around 350,000 reservists for a total of 700,000 soldiers. The reservists are older: they might come back in? But protests/refusals to serve would likely further destabilize the regime.

It wouldn't be army to army. Iran would likely bombard israel with drones and missiles, either through proxies or directly. If recent events has shown anything, its that the US doesn't produce enough air defence systems or air defence missiles so israel might be able to shoot down the first couple of waves, but eventually they would have to pick and choose what hits to take, and after that they would just have to take the hits.

Now, while that is going on, israel - and maybe the US - would be trying to carry out drone, missile and airstrikes on Iran. Apparently Iran is preparing for this by bringing in air defence systems and missiles from Russia. Russia could also supply anti-shipping missiles which would allow Iran to threaten US carrier groups.

Now a lot of people will just assume that israel/US will just crush Iran in 24-72 hours like it was 1990 all over again. But the same people believed the US navy would crush the Houthis last year, and yet the Houthis are still imposing a naval blockade on the Red Sea and even carrying out missile strikes on israel itself.

Isreal showed itself incapable of winning against Hezbella 7 years ago. They will open this front and it will fester away for at least a year.

What Isreal finds intolerable is the loss of its own cirizens and army, hence it's 100:1 doctorine, this will quickly exhaust it's domestic resources and if Harris pushes for a cease fire you can bet the momentum will grind to a halt fairly quickly.

As Russia has found out, brute force has it's limits and Isreal will quickly hit them hard.

If Iran achieve nuclear weapons then you are going to have to rewrite that assessment.

Understand that the Sampson option means that if anyone threatens the existential existence of Israel they will nuke all range accessible capitols regardless of allegiances. They really are that clinical and it is the reason that everyone who understands this is so deferential.

Nah, Israel and Iran don't have a land border so its not going to be army vs army regardless of Iran having nukes or not. It will be drone/missile strikes vs air defences.

I don't think iran wants to go war with Israel as it will also be at war with America and face multiple sanctions on its economy it does not want to risk end up like gaza with most of it's buildings. reduced to rubble

It prefers to send weapons to houthi or Hezbollah eg attack by proxy

Iran has not reached the point of actually producing nuclear missiles

Iran doesnt want to go to war with israel, but at some point it has to act to deter the multiple israeli attacks on Iran. Its likely best to deter israel by arming proxies, but israel is clearly pushing for a direct war now because they hope to get USA to fight Iran for them.

The question is if young people in the US who are already deeply disenchanted with the regime, would be prepared to continue being conscripted into an army where they were mere cannon fodder for israel. The US is increasingly unable to find volunteers for its armed forces as it is.

How can you have a war with a country that you are not geographically joined to?All israels wars have been with enjoining countries. They can't do what they are doing to Gaza and Lebanon. Sure they can bomb but without boots on the ground it's hard to see anything more than a ceasefire being agreed. There is no way that the US would put boots on the ground in Iran either given their experiences in Iraq and Afghanistan.

A war with Iran would require it. No way anyone volunteers for it. They're even daydreaming about a draft in peacetime to try keep numbers up.