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Irish Cycling Legislation

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  • #252
    Roadhawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Roadhawk


    CramCycle wrote: »
    MOD VOICE: I was being sarcastic but truthfully, this discussion has been done to death in other threads and its not really on topic for this thread so I am nipping it in the bud, if you wish to talk about licenses for cyclists please use other threads about it or start another one, do not post about it in here

    You're right, i was off topic. sorry for inconvenience.


  • #253
    Carawaystick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    If I take the pedals off, is my bicycle still a pedal cycle? (Semi-serious q)


  • #254
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,229 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Carawaystick wrote: »
    If I take the pedals off, is my bicycle still a pedal cycle? (Semi-serious q)
    I think so.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1961/act/24/section/3/enacted/en/html
    1961 Road Traffic Act wrote:
    “pedal bicycle” means a bicycle which is intended or adapted for propulsion solely by the physical exertions of a person or persons seated thereon;

    Although maybe that has been superceded as it would not apply to electric-assist bikes.


  • #255
    Qualitymark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,824 ✭✭✭Qualitymark


    Carawaystick wrote: »
    If I take the pedals off, is my bicycle still a pedal cycle? (Semi-serious q)

    No, it is a velocipede or draisine.


  • #256
    traprunner
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    wrote:
    1961 Road Traffic Act]
    “pedal bicycle” means a bicycle which is intended or adapted for propulsion solely by the physical exertions of a person or persons seated thereon;

    So taking the saddle off would mean it's not a "pedal bicycle" because no person can be "seated thereln"?


  • #257
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,540 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    traprunner wrote: »
    So taking the saddle off would mean it's not a "pedal bicycle" because no person can be "seated thereln"?

    you can still sit on it, won't be comfortable though (or may be depending...)


  • #258
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,538 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    MOD VOICE: Cycling licenses are not catered for in legislation and for reasons done to death they are unlikely ever to be in Ireland. Please leave any discussion of licenses out of this thread. POSTS have been deleted. If you wish to discuss the benefits/negatives, do so in a different thread, or start one.


  • #259
    Roadhawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Roadhawk


    regarding the infrastructure for cyclists in Ireland would i be right in saying cyclists would have been onto a good thing if Leo Varadkar did not amend the “Cycle Track” laws in 2012. This law previously explained that if there was a cycle track provided that a cyclist must use the cycle track and not the main road. This law then changed to allow cyclists to be legally allowed to use both the main road and cycle at their own decision. Realistically speaking the government has now gotten away from the cost of building new cycle tracks and fixing/maintaining existing cycle track as the excuse is that the cyclist can just use the road. Am i right to think this?


  • #260
    Lumen
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    No.


  • #261
    tomasrojo
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    The only people I can recall opposing the repeal of the compulsory use of all cycle tracks was the RSA. If Vechicular Cyclists, Segregationists and Cycle Chic people alike oppose a law, it's definitely not good for cycling.


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  • #262
    galwaycyclist
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    Roadhawk wrote: »
    Realistically speaking the government has now gotten away from the cost of building new cycle tracks and fixing/maintaining existing cycle track as the excuse is that the cyclist can just use the road. Am i right to think this?

    The "Government" does not bear the costs of maintenance as such. The government often throws money at local authorities to build things without regards to the issue of whether or not there are the resources, or intention, to maintain them afterwards.


  • #263
    ButtersSuki
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    Hi folks,

    New here so apologies in advance if my question has already been asked (and answered) or is in the wrong forum.

    Can anyone tell me (with links to sources etc.) what is the legal position re. installing a tracking device on your own bike (which I assume is perfectly fine) with specific reference to any infringement of rights on the part of any who may steal your bike etc.? Are there any Data Protection or other Legal issues that one may fall foul of? Has anyone fallen foul of the law on this? Does the victim have less rights than the perpetrator etc.? Do the Gardai act on information achieved in this way (example: my bike was stolen and from GPS I can tell it's at 123 Main Street - will the Gardai act on this or is it out of bounds for them to do so?).

    Any help greatly appreciated!


  • #264
    diarmaidol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭diarmaidol


    I can't see how a thief would gain the upper hand by you installing a tracker on your bike. Look at the find my phone tools for mobiles as an example. I've heard of the Garda using such tools where available to them to locate stolen phones. As long as it's your bike and you are installing a tracker for you then you are well with in your rights. Now, if you installed it on a non-personal bike you'd start hitting Data Protection stuff maybe, but if there is no legitimate 3rd Party Data Protection won't come into it.


  • #265
    CramCycle
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    All the DB ones have trackers so there is good precedent that installing one is not an issue. Lived with a Garda once who had used one in conjunction with DB to locate a stolen bike (with the thief still a board).


  • #266
    waywardchild
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 ✭waywardchild


    ButtersSuki wrote: »
    Hi folks,

    New here so apologies in advance if my question has already been asked (and answered) or is in the wrong forum.

    Can anyone tell me (with links to sources etc.) what is the legal position re. installing a tracking device on your own bike (which I assume is perfectly fine) with specific reference to any infringement of rights on the part of any who may steal your bike etc.? Are there any Data Protection or other Legal issues that one may fall foul of? Has anyone fallen foul of the law on this? Does the victim have less rights than the perpetrator etc.? Do the Gardai act on information achieved in this way (example: my bike was stolen and from GPS I can tell it's at 123 Main Street - will the Gardai act on this or is it out of bounds for them to do so?).

    Any help greatly appreciated!

    It's your bike you are entitled to protect it in anyway you see fit once you don't endanger anyone else (i.e. Run several hundred volts through it). The Garda will use legitimate information supplied by the public to apprehend criminals


  • #267
    Beasty
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    Discussion on bike tracker options moved to new thread


  • #268
    The GMan
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    This is a great reference to have

    Could I suggest an amendment to the "Cycling Two Abreast" section


    The relevant legislation is
    S.I. No. 332/2012 - Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 2012.
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2012/si/332/made/en/print
    The Original legislation was 1964, amended in 1997 and again in 2012.

    Each of these say exactly the same thing in slightly different language.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2012/si/332/made/en/print
    S.I. No. 332/2012 - Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 2012.
    Section 47 of this legislation states

    47. (1) A pedal cyclist shall not drive a pedal cycle on a roadway in such a manner as to result in more than 2 pedal cyclists driving abreast, save when overtaking other pedal cyclists, and then only if to do so will not endanger, inconvenience or obstruct other traffic or pedestrians.

    (2) Pedal cyclists on a roadway shall cycle in single file when overtaking other traffic.


    The important words to keep in mind are "more than 2".

    The statements in the acts above state that a cyclist

    (1) must not cycle "more than 2 abreast"
    except when over taking another cyclist
    and even if they are over taking another cyclist they cannot be "more than 2 abreast" if it would endanger, inconvenience or obstruct other traffic or pedestrians.

    (2) must cycle in single file when passing other traffic.


    In simple language the acts state
    a) In general cycling
    a.1) Cyclist cannot cycle more than 2 abreast
    a.2) Cyclist can cycle 2 abreast

    b) Cyclists when overtaking
    b.1) When overtaking other traffic - must cycle in single file.
    b.2) When overtaking other cyclist - can be more than 2 abreast as long as they do not inconvenience or obstruct other road users.



    No matter what part of the sentence you interpret the conditions to apply to the effect is still the same in relation to cycling “more than 2 abreastâ€

    Interpertation 1
    A pedal cyclist shall not drive a pedal cycle on a roadway in such a manner as to result in more than 2 pedal cyclists driving abreast and then only if to do so will not endanger, inconvenience or obstruct other traffic or pedestrians.

    Interpertation 2
    A pedal cyclist shall not drive a pedal cycle on a roadway in such a manner as to result in more than 2 pedal cyclists driving abreast. Save when overtaking other pedal cyclists and then only if to do so will not endanger, inconvenience or obstruct other traffic or pedestrians.




    Original Legislation 1964
    Amended 1997 & 2012

    Original Legislation 1964
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1964/si/294/made/en/print
    S.I. No. 294/1964 - Road Traffic General Bye-Laws, 1964.

    PART IV. CYCLE TRAFFIC.

    29 Driving two abreast

    29.—(1) A pedal cyclist shall not, save when overtaking other pedal cyclists (and then only if to do so will not endanger other traffic or pedestrians) drive a pedal cycle on a roadway in such a manner as to result in more than two pedal cycles driving abreast.

    (2) Pedal cyclists on a roadway shall cycle in single file when overtaking other traffic.


    Ammendment 1997
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/si/182/made/en/print
    S.I. No. 182/1997 - Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) Regulations, 1997
    Section 47 of this legislation states

    47. (1) A pedal cyclist shall not drive a pedal cycle on a roadway in such a manner as to result in more than two pedal cyclists driving abreast, save when overtaking other pedal cyclists, and then only if to do so will not endanger, inconvenience or obstruct other traffic or pedestrians.

    (2) Pedal cyclists on a roadway shall cycle in single file when overtaking other traffic.

    Ammendment 2012
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2012/si/332/made/en/print
    S.I. No. 332/2012 - Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 2012.
    Section 47 of this legislation states

    47. (1) A pedal cyclist shall not drive a pedal cycle on a roadway in such a manner as to result in more than 2 pedal cyclists driving abreast, save when overtaking other pedal cyclists, and then only if to do so will not endanger, inconvenience or obstruct other traffic or pedestrians.

    (2) Pedal cyclists on a roadway shall cycle in single file when overtaking other traffic.


  • #269
    [Deleted User]
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    The term "inconvenience" is so vague as to mean anything. Many people would claim that having to slow down or overtake is an inconvenience.


  • #270
    Beasty
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    Would have thought that in most cases if it's safe to overtake 2 abreast it's equally safe (and indeed quicker) to overtake 3 abreast. A motorist will need to go into an overtaking or opposite lane (if available) to safely undertake either manoeuvre


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  • #271
    monument
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    galwaycyclist wrote: »
    Ok but this is the legislation which it seems applied at the time that this report was written.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1964/si/294/made/en/print#zzsi294y1964a26



    This law does not distinguish between motor vehicles and pedal cycles with regards to parking on footways (i.e. footpaths/footpads). But interestingly enough the law does allow for cycles to be parked on roadways in situations where motor vehicles are not allowed to park - (i.e where there are continuous centre line markings)

    I know galwaycyclist isn't here anymore, but, it's worth noting the following:

    S.I. No. 182/1997 - Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) Regulations, 1997, states:
    REVOCATIONS

    Part I

    Road Traffic General Bye-Laws, 1964 ( S.I. No. 294 of 1964 )

    Just to be clear: The link and quote galwaycyclist posted were referring to SI 294 of 1964 and that's revoked.


  • #272
    buffalo
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    Overtaking on the left:
    (5) (b) A pedal cyclist may overtake on the left where vehicles to the pedal cyclist’s right are stationary or are moving more slowly than the overtaking pedal cycle, except where the vehicle to be overtaken—

    (i) has signalled an intention to turn to the left and there is a reasonable expectation that the vehicle in which the driver has signalled an intention to turn to the left will execute a movement to the left before the cycle overtakes the vehicle,

    (ii) is stationary for the purposes of permitting a passenger or passengers to alight or board the vehicle, or

    (iii) is stationary for the purposes of loading or unloading.”,

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2012/si/332/made/en/print


  • #273
    buffalo
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    Parking in cycle lanes

    SI 332/2012:
    36. (1) Save as otherwise provided for in these Regulations and subject to article 5 a vehicle shall not be parked on a public road at a location, in a manner or for a purpose, referred to in sub-article (2).

    (2) A vehicle shall not be parked—

    (m) in a cycle track where traffic sign number RUS 009, RUS 058 or RUS 059 is provided, or

    Those signs are respectively, cycle track, shared path/cycle track and contra-flow cycle track. So no parking in those tracks.

    Article 5 (of 274/1998) makes an exception though:
    (5) A prohibition on the parking of a vehicle imposed by article 36 (2) (m) shall not apply to a vehicle parked in a cycle track, on the right hand edge of which traffic sign number RRM 023 has been provided, while goods are being loaded in or on to it or unloaded from it for a period not exceeding thirty minutes from the commencement of such parking.

    RRM 023 is the dashed line marking for a non-mandatory lane. (RRM 022 is the solid line marking for a mandatory lane.)

    So, if a cycle track has a sign, you're not allowed park in it - no distinction between mandatory and non-mandatory, what matters if there's round blue sign (RUS 009, RUS 058) or a contra-flow sign (RUS 059).

    However, if the cycle track is marked with non-mandatory line markings (RRM 023), that restriction doesn't apply to parking while loading/unloading for up to thirty minutes. I can't see a restriction on the type of vehicle.


  • #274
    buffalo
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    Is a cycle track a traffic lane?

    Things you shouldn’t do with regards to traffic in another traffic lane…

    S.I. No. 182/1997 - Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) Regulations, 1997

    8 (8) A driver shall not drive from one traffic lane to another without yielding the right of way to traffic in that other lane.

    Also, you can overtake on the left if you’re in a separate traffic lane (same SI):

    10 (5) (c) in slow-moving traffic, when vehicles in the traffic lane on the driver's right are moving more slowly than the overtaking vehicle.

    (Does this mean that for decades cyclists who overtook on the left were breaking the law? Overtaking on the left was legalised for cyclists - except for certain situations - in 332/2012.)


    So what’s a cycle track?

    S.I. No. 332/2012 - Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 2012.

    14. (1) A cycle track shall be indicated by—

    (a) traffic sign number RUS 009 (with-flow cycle track) provided in association with traffic sign number RRM 022 (continuous white line) or RRM 023 (broken white line) which latter signs may be marked on the right hand edge of the cycle track or on the right hand and left hand edges of the cycle track,

    (b) traffic sign number RUS 059 (contra-flow cycle track) provided in association with traffic sign number RRM 022 (continuous white line) which may be marked on the right hand edge of the cycle track or on the left hand edge of the cycle track or on both sides, or

    (c) traffic sign number RUS 058 (shared track for pedal cycles and pedestrians).


    So what’s a traffic lane?

    S.I. No. 294/1964 - Road Traffic General Bye-Laws, 1964.

    12.—(1) An authorised broken white line on a roadway shall indicate the boundary of a traffic lane.

    S.I. No. 181/1997 - Road Traffic (Signs) Regulations, 1997.

    12. (1) Traffic sign number RRM 003 shall—

    (a) indicate the boundary of a traffic lane, and

    (b) consist of a broken white line, consisting of segments approximately 100 millimetres or 150 millimetres wide, 2 metres long and 2 metres apart (or 100 millimetres wide, 4 metres long and 8 metres apart on a motorway).

    Backed up by S.I. No. 182/1997 - Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) Regulations, 1997

    27. (1) Traffic sign number [RRM 003] [broken white line], shall indicate the boundary of a traffic lane.


    So a traffic lane is marked by RRM 003, but a cycle track is marked by RRM 023. So a cycle track - even segregated - is arguably not a traffic lane in the eyes of the law. Therefore, a driver does not have to specifically yield right of way to cyclists on a cycle track under these laws.

    There is a large catch-all that stops drivers from just running over cyclists of course

    Road Traffic Act, 1961

    52.—(1) A person shall not drive a vehicle in a public place without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the place.



  • #275
    AndrewJRenko
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    Can I ask about junctions like this one (Rathfarnham Road / Dodder Park Road) where there are dedicated cycle lights, marked with a blue arrow in the photo.

    There are to the side of the junction, but there is no clearly marked cycle lane at that side.

    Most people are treating the green cycle light phase as the time for cyclists to pass through from anywhere at the junction, including the position of the three cyclists in front of me in the photo.

    In fairness, it doesn't seem to cause any particular problems. I've seen one cyclist being a bit inconsiderate of a pedestrian one morning, but nothing major.

    Am I right in thinking that law would require those three cyclists to wait for the 'normal' green light and not take the green cycle light at the side?


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  • #276
    Seth Brundle
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    The only light to govern those three is the one in front and centrenof the pic currently showing red.

    The one you are pointing to is for the cycle path, which those three are not on.


    Edit: the ground at that junction looks to have been completed and yet I'm seeing street furniture and poles making the junction pretty much unusable to anyone commuting at a reasonable pace - so I'm guessing these cyclists will continue to use the road. However, the introduction of traffic lights for cyclists will simply add a layer of confusion to the junction and potentially make the junction dangerous for them as they make assumptions when crossing

    Post edited by Seth Brundle on


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  • #277
    Macy0161
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,559 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    I hadn't used it for a good while until recently, but the bike lights at Fosters Avenue ceed an awful amount of time compared to the road sequence. I had wondered on their legal status, given the cycle lane is only separated by wands rather than being grade separated. fwiw I've been taking the road and maintaining the same priority as the vehicles.



  • #278
    Grassey
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409071#Comment_120409071

    Tbh when I commuted that route daily 6+ years ago, a good number of cyclists queuing from where pic is taken would wait until the pedestrian light (which seems to be a bike one indicated in the pic now) and free for all across that junction in all 3 possible directions. So I don't think the new layout and lights will change that!


    In fairness I assume anyone going straight through or right will continue to use the road because it's non-sensical to continue around the curve to the left, press button, wait for a light to cross 2 lanes, turn right, go 3 meters, wait for another sequence of lights to then go left (up the hill) or straight (along the dodder)...



  • #279
    AndrewJRenko
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409071#Comment_120409071

    I suspect that you’re right, though the absence of any clearly marked route for cyclists makes it a bit confusing.

    Does anyone know the particular legislation around this? How does the legislation assess whether you are cycling in an unmarked cycle lane?



  • #280
    Grassey
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    16800839543704142127364975611400.jpg

    Looks like road markings still outstanding?



  • #281
    Seth Brundle
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120414627#Comment_120414627

    It is as basic as you are not permitted to pass the red light. I take it that there is also a thick "stop" line between you (taking the photo) and the lad with the orange jacket.



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  • #282
    AndrewJRenko
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120414762#Comment_120414762

    So how do you legally use the green cycle light?



  • #283
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 41,342 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120414835#Comment_120414835

    I'm guessing that you'd need to be on the cycle path/footpath rather than the road.



  • #284
    cletus
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120414835#Comment_120414835

    The traffic light highlighted by the blue arrow in the photo would seem to cover crossing the road perpendicular to the road you are on. It doesn't look to have any control re. cyclists in the position you were in. They would be controlled by the light at the entrance to the junction, in line with the (presumably) stop line just at your front wheel.

    It looks like there are ongoing roadworks, with the plan being to bring the cycle lane around to the left. I'd imagine, once this is in place, anyone who follows the lane to the left and then wants to cross at that crossing, will be governed by the green cycle light that you highlighted.

    Why anyone would choose to do this rather than take the lane and go straight through the junction with the rest of the traffic, I'm not sure. I do know a lot of bike lanes are designed like this, including one close to my place of work.



  • #285
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,352 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120414890#Comment_120414890

    But how do you get to that cycle path, without either breaking the red light or cycling on the footpath?



  • #286
    Seth Brundle
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120415042#Comment_120415042

    I've no idea but presumably, like much of our cycling infrastructure, it hasn't been thought through properly for those it is intended for. However, as @Grassey's image shows, it is a good bit away from being completed.



  • #287
    cletus
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120415042#Comment_120415042

    It looks like there are ongoing roadworks, with the plan being to bring the cycle lane around to the left. I'd imagine, once this is in place, anyone who follows the lane to the left and then wants to cross at that crossing, will be governed by the green cycle light that you highlighted.

    Why anyone would choose to do this rather than take the lane and go straight through the junction with the rest of the traffic, I'm not sure. I do know a lot of bike lanes are designed like this, including one close to my place of work.


    From my previous post, I edited as you were posting



  • #288
    Grassey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,393 ✭✭✭Grassey


    Once complete the cycle lane will be on the left of the light so the traffic light doesn't apply. But, using the cycle lane you would only be able to continue around to the left until you reach the signaled bike/pedestrian crossing.



  • #289
    AndrewJRenko
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    Let’s revisit this when they’ve finished the works and markings.



  • #290
    cletus
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120415273#Comment_120415273

    I can't see the answer being much different, to be honest



  • #291
    AndrewJRenko
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    Bit of a missed of opportunity with this new design of segregated cycle lane segments at Sandyford Industrial Estate Business District. It's just a bit of a shame that there isn't a dedicated traffic light for cyclists that would allow cyclists to proceed pretty much all the time, given the segregation from traffic coming from all directions.



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  • #292
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,538 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120529312#Comment_120529312

    They aren't segregated though as other cyclists could come in when they have a green light at the T junction, I presume that is the rationale



  • #293
    AndrewJRenko
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120532299#Comment_120532299

    Maybe, though if I was cycling up the T, I'd be far more inclined to swing around the bend and move into towards the left after the bollards, not through the bollards.



  • #294
    CramCycle
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120532563#Comment_120532563

    All it takes is one accident and the council would be brought through the courts by not one but two people. I get what you are saying but no one in their right mind would take the risk



  • #295
    what_traffic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭what_traffic



    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120529312#Comment_120529312

    Don't know the area here - but are cyclists expected to merge into the cycle lane in the section with the bollards turning right from the T-Junction? Have somewhat a similar junction in Galway City on the Seamus Quirke Road without bollards

    https://goo.gl/maps/VJd83gXAAm7196yg6


    most people cycling proceed through the lights when red (potential conflicts with pedestrians would tend to be a greater that cyclists)As long as people are doing it a low speeds and give way it works, but it is something that perhaps should be legislated for. Flashing amber cycling light here?



  • #296
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,853 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    I think there's a pedestrian crossing on the right arm of the T as well? So there would be times when cyclists should stop on the left arm of the T for them. I suppose a general "caution: cyclists, pedestrians merging" warning might suffice, but idk.



  • #297
    loyatemu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,342 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    A separate light for cyclists, tied to the pedestrian phase only, should be provided there. TBH if there were no pedestrians crossing, I'd probably just go through.



  • #298
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,352 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120415058#Comment_120415058
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120415196#Comment_120415196
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120415074#Comment_120415074
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    IMG_3212.jpeg

    Time to revisit, perhaps, now that the works are completed?

    I’m still in the same position as before. When I come down the hill from Rathfarnham and stop at the lights at the bridge, I’ve no way of getting to the part of junction controlled by the cycle lights without either

    • breaking the lights, and moving forward around the corner, through a red light, or
    • cycling across the footpath

    Are we really designing cycle facilities that can only be used by breaking the law, or am I missing something?



  • #299
    cletus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,197 ✭✭✭cletus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120961213#Comment_120961213

    Can you not just cycle through the junction, and pick up the cycle lane at the far side?



  • #300
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,352 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120961446#Comment_120961446

    You can, but you either miss the green cycle light and have to wait for the main green light, which makes the whole cycle crossing infrastructure entirely redundant, or you break the main green light by proceeding on the green cycle light.

    Post edited by AndrewJRenko on


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  • #301
    cletus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,197 ✭✭✭cletus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120962348#Comment_120962348

    Well, either way you might have to wait for a light, if it's red when you get there.

    The infrastructure is not designed well at that junction, but it really is as simple as deciding to cycle directly through the junction, and rejoin the cycle lane on the far side.

    This is a bit like the miniature bread scene in Spinal Tap.



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