Why wont die hard GAA fans admit football these days is muck?

Surely all they need is a fella with a stop watch and hooter - as the timekeeper fella just for that job. Not expensive tech needed.

impossible to do at club level , we are lucky to have umpires at intermediate or junior level let alone someone to look after the time

The most important thing is not to ignore the elephant in the room….. the amount of hand passing in the current way the game is played and coached.

Most of the 'fallout' stems from that in my opinion, and the trundling of players back and forward condensing the play

into the last third of the pitch with the consequent congestion has made the game a poor watch.

Sort that stuff out and we could have at least a start to pull the game out of the doldrums.

After each "play" when a team is in the opponents half as the yanks say. Once they are in the opponents half the 45 second stopwatch starts. Up to a team to take a shot within that time. If they lose the ball/take a shot the stopwatch watch is reset.

Stopwatches are not expensive to buy.

No more difficult than clicking a stopwatch when a runner does a lap etc. Obviously in Croke Park and the bigger grounds could have a 45 second countdown.

I think it would be alright, as it should not take a team more than 45 seconds to break down the field from one side of the pitch to the other. Or when in the opponents half a team should have no excuses for working a scoring chance within that time. Especially if 13 a side.

I suggested the picking off the ground as a rule change earlier in the thread. Along with making it 8 or 10 steps instead of 4. Both would just be recognising what happens anyway. A player running at near the speed of a 100 metre sprinter in the Olympics, should not be expected to execute a solo in the time it takes to run 4 steps.

All this other stuff is just asking teams to surrender possession to the opponents for no good reason. Not going to work, because possession of the ball is what creates scores. The field is there for all the players to set up whatever way they want. Nothing stopping them going back to defenders, midfielders and forwards staying in their positions. And the keeper choosing to send every kickout into midfield. Teams simply don't want to do that any more, because it is not an efficient way to win matches.

There wouldn't be 15 players in my idea though there would be 13 a side - much harder for 11 outfield players to crowd an area and defend, on wide Gaelic football pitches. There would be more space to exploit.

I think teams will learn and adapt if you don't want to start giving frees away take shot with the 45 seconds when within an opponents half simple.

Plus I think what would eventually happen a team would have a specialised long range shooter like a scrum half in rugby.

Plenty of possibilities.

If a shot clock can work in basketball why not Gaelic football? It is scores people the OP want to see fast play and movement/shots on goal.

Lots of long range shooting in the games I see. Must drive the "clipboard" people who do the stats on percentage shooting mad. Sometimes they get a point, more often they go wide or into the keepers hands. Putting players on a clock is not going to improve the outcomes.

"Recent studies have identified shot efficiency as a key performance indicator (KPI) in Gaelic football; however, there has been little research into the impact of shot location on shot efficiency. The current study aims to establish a methodology to calculate shot distance and angle reliably and consistently in Gaelic football. Through application of this methodology to the 2019 inter-county championship the impact of distance and angle on shot success was assessed. There was evidence of reliability in the proposed methodology for calculating shot distance and angle. As a result, this study determined average shot distance at 30.9 m (±11.4 m) and average shot angle at 31.3° (±18.6°). While shot success peaked at 20 m, shots from closer to goal had a higher points per shot value given many from closer range were successful goal attempts, thus having greater scoreboard impact. This study can conclude that the scoring zone in Gaelic football lies within a 32 m arc of the goal, and within a 60° angle from the midline of the pitch. Moreover, this study presents the first validated methodology to calculate shot distance and angle in Gaelic football using commercially available software."

Unfortunately this is kind of rubbish that the very top brass of the GAA can see is killing the game as entertainment value.

Are you implying that the very top brass of the GAA ,plus the media, the social media, the pundits cannot see what is going on?🤣

Why on earth would they assemble a very high powered committee of senior figures to examine the rules of the game with a

view to making it more attractive to play and watch.

Cannot believe that post, to be honest.

You can’t run at speed through the field with “nifty 5 yard foot passes” and it would be much more difficult to keep possession.

The overuse of the handpass is where all these issues spring from.

Your posts are just constantly trying to derail this discussion with ridiculous inputs.

The game is up, my friend, the top brass have seen the writing on the wall.

The game of Gaelic Football as it’s currently being played and ‘coached’ is a ship heading for disaster, not now,

not very soon, but eventually the outdoor basketball will die a death.

Hopefully Jim and the lads can fix it.

Correct,Im discussing the big picture, the elephant in the room, I am not going to be dragged into the inevitable

5 page arguments about "wearing a helmet " to identify ones place on the field, and shot clocks, and other stuff, the committee led by JIM Gavin will have the expertise to deal with that.

I am concerned with how the game is now played with passages of play of 37-40 handpasses backwards and sideways followed by something similar by to opposing team. Im concerned that there are the 'clipboard merchants ' even now probably planning how to make the game even more possession based which will over time lead to the demise of the game as a spectator attraction.

Now you can roar and shout all you like but until you acknowledge the 'elephant in the room' there is a poor outlook for Gaelic football.

Correct again, I have no interest in arguing the toss here, unless the ‘elephant in the room’ is acknowledged.

And it hasn’t .

What these boys want is dancing on the head of pins when the real issue is plain as a pikestaff.

I’m not stupid enough to be dragged into that never ending story , my friend.

Got more obvious issues to spend my bandwidth on.

A big problem with this is if you live in a parish like mine every GAA football bum licker is hanging out the clubhouse cat flaps trying to curry favour. Whos going to be the first to say the football milk has gone bad? Forget it. Anything more than a whisper and its excommunication by sun down.

Ive no idea how you got all that from my post.

within my club all views and opinions are listened to, discussed debated and taken on board according to their merits.

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You are correct in the assertion that rule changes have to be thought through in great detail, hopefully Jim Gavin and his team will do that.

I was observing a training session at our club recently under 12s football. 80% of the session was on hand passing 'off the shoulder' .Not a good scenario in my opinion. We need to get the basketball element removed from our game.

I also noted that good clean delivery of the ball via the foot was well below par.

Expecting huge rule changes would be foolish…. do it over time is the way to go.

You guys obviously don't mentor kids. The hand-passing only drill has been a regular feature of training for decades. We used to do the same when I was a young lad (which is not today or yesterday!!!). It has it's benefits. For underage, say under 10s - there is often one or 2 kids who are much better than everyone else. If the game was open play, they would just solo up the pitch on their own and score everything. A hand passing only game coupled with one hop or one solo, is there to get other kids involved in the game.

For many kids at that age, the default position on getting the ball is often to just kick it aimlessly. The hand passing only game is to try to get them to get composure on the ball. Don't just lash it. Have a look and see if any teammates in, say the surrounding 3 yards to handpass it to.

I do mentoring. We would generally have a game at the end of the session, where we start off by having a hand-pass only game with one solo-hop. Then have handpassing and kicking, but still have only one solo/hop. And then for the last third of the game have no restrictions. It does work, as opposed to just a free for all for a half hour.

Indeed you are correct, good judgement shown there.

There is a lot of, quite frankly ,bull being talked about “kicking aimlessly” on these threads.

Kicking is one of the core skills of the game as is catching and fielding the ball.

As you pointed out these core skills are being coached out of kids in favour of the easier handpass and

as a result we have the 47 handpasses in a row type games which will eventually kill the game.

The public will turn away from it as the top brass in the organisation have noticed.

We will get more and more of the type of scoring as seen up in lovely Donegal, unless the clipboard merchants are curbed and the game made more exciting for the paying spectator.