Israel are going to start WWIII

History should tell you that Russia can and has fallen before, for many of the same reasons that they can and probably will fall soon. It's ludicrous to suggest that they haven't created the perfect circumstances for internal collapse.

To say that Israel is committing atrocities far beyond the "absolute worst" Russia has done is a bit much.

You can absolutely have the opinion that both sides are committing atrocities, but don't downplay the atrocities Russia has carried out and is carrying out.

TBF I don't think they were downplaying the atrocities Russia have committed and continue to commit in Ukraine.

But what Israel have done and continue to do in Gaza I think surpasses anything we have seen in terms of cruelty and mass slaughter of children in an extremely long time, maybe ever in modern times. This now could be replicated to some degree in Lebanon.

Conservative data shows that over the past year, more than 6,000 women and 11,000 children were killed in Gaza by the Israeli military, setting a record for conflict-related deaths. By comparison, the Small Arms Survey estimates that the highest number of women killed in a single year was over 2,600 in Iraq in 2016. A report from Every Casualty Counts revealed that over the first 2.5 years of the Syrian conflict, an average of 4,700 children were killed annually. UN reports on Children and Armed Conflict over the last 18 years indicate that no other conflict has resulted in a higher number of child deaths in a single year.

Don't worry,

I'm pretty certain Two-Tier Keir will deal sternly with the anti-Israel mob in the UK.

I guess its time for those who insist Iran is civilized to start up the fluff pieces for St. Putin in the hopes he "puts manners on" Israel.

So your pro Israel I guess. I hope Iran teach them a lesson. All Israel are into is genocide. And the Americans as usual supporting this because it suits their economics.

Israel are fighting the good fight

How many of the 11,000 children slaughtered were a member of either?

50 Lebanese children murdered just this past week.

Were they members of Hezbollah?

But that is good in your opinion?

That is pretty sick to TBH.

Wouldn't be the first time that the zionists double crossed their allies. Perhaps decided to kill some Syrians to shore up US support by pretending they were now fighting Russia after helping the Russians big time for the last year.

Thanks. You saved me a bit of typing this morning.

It's really sickening that the US are helping Israel to shoot down missiles.

Whereas the support for Ukraine is so much more limited in comparison.

And no regard at all for the atrocities taking place in Gaza and now Lebanon.

I'll never understand the logic.

Yet Israel is called out by the Red Cross/Crescent, UN, MSF, ICJ, Amnesty Int etc for their cruelty against the Palestinian women and children. That's some ''good fight'' with 20K children blown to bits, shot and illegally interred. Israel is the major terrorist in the entire region. It's denial of human rights is there for all to see.

Were non-far-left numpties (Can we assume you identify as "non-far-left"?) busy protesting about them instead? Loads of peeps out of you about them? The answer is hardly no is it? The zionists are famous for not accusing others of what they are actually doing themselves, aren't they?

If the zionists hit Leinster House with a missile strike later on today, I'm sure we'd get plenty of "numpties" (your phrase) on here telling others they can't say that was a bad thing because they didn't make the required number of posts about the bike shed scandal.

The zionists really have been doing the Russians a solid one over the past year. They have taken so much Western focus/funding/weapons away from Ukraine and directed it to the zionists.

That said, a lot of this is probably down to marketing. Those lads probably really shouldn't have branded themselves as the "axis of evil".

There is logic there though. You don't have to agree with it but it's there.

Russia is a nuclear armed state and anything other than a drip-fed of weapons to Ukraine to eventually force Russia to give up and go home risks major escalation, however unlikely.

Iran does not have nuclear weapons. If Russia did not have nuclear weapons the war would be long, long over in Ukraine's favor.

You might be right, Israelis seriously over reacted

They should have instead went to Arab countries and UN and asked those to go in and bring the heads of the terrorist organisations in X months or else they do it themselves

That would have put the onus on neighbouring Arab states and UN to deal with Islamic terrorism

No lack of keyboard warriors here who admit HAMAS and Hezbollah are terrorists but I doubt any would sign up with defence forces and go in under a UN blue helmet to eradicate those cockroaches

The activists like to use the term Z.O.G.

Zionist occupation Govt.

It's the same derangement though

Approx 600 children have died in the invasion of Ukraine, vs more than 16,000 murdered by Israeli forces so far in Gaza alone. The Lancet estimate that the real number could be five times higher than that when you account for the deaths from Israel's tactics of deliberate starvation and destruction of medical and humanitarian supplies. It's an order of magnitude more monstrous.

Any other metric you care to measure in terms of civilian deaths, targeting of schools, hospitals, the murder of humanitarian workers, UN employees, journalists - all of it shows Israel's actions up as being far more barbaric. There are more military casualties in the Ukraine war because most of the fighting is between two military forces, with far fewer civilians being targeted.

Not excusing Russia at all, and you're right that it's not a competition to see who is committing the most attrocities, but given how horrific Russia's actions are rightly considered to be, it really puts into perspective just how inhuman Israel's genocidal behaviour has been and how in a logical, consistent and just world they'd be put under far heavier sanctions than Russia ever was.

Ukraine don't care about Russian propaganda announcements, people in the middle east, don't care either.

They are mostly behind Russia and have no time for Ukraine.

It's a long and intimate relationship.

It all helps, same as Hamas picked Oct 7th, Putin's birthday. It was a tremendous gift for their old friend, and a bad day for Israel/Ukraine in different ways.

So russian assets being used up or destroyed in Gaza, Lebanon or Syria means they can't be used in Ukraine.

is that why the majority of the worlds population are risking their lives to get into “the west” as refugees and economic migrants in their millions

But none are even considering entering Russia, Iran, Yemen, China

According to the statistics, about 2,000. So one eighth as many, over a ten times longer period and a ten times larger population. Now the Syrian forces killed more and their regime had the tacit support of Russia, but even then that's over a ten year period and Israel is on track to smash that record in a couple more months at its current trajectory.

But it's straying miles away from the point where people were trying to equate Ukraine and Israel. As was said, it's not a competition. When your argument amounts to "yeah well the numbers are only in the same ballpark as some of the worst atrocities this century", that's not a great defence of what Israel is doing.

Nobody was sitting there trying to pretend it was a good thing that all those people were dying in Syria the way you have people cheerleading the massacres Israel is carrying out.

Your figures are wildly wrong (by an order of magnitude), all you have to do is goto wikipedia on Syrian Civil War and follow references (instead of linking to a site that offers no references)

https://www.syriahr.com/en/328044/

Of course the majority are risking their lives 🤔. Billions as we speak………... You see, the mask usually falls eventually to show the anti-immigrant rhetoric. I think that many use their "support" of the genocidal zionists merely as a mask to support the killing of muslims and brown people.

At some point you might even figure out that one of the reasons why so many flee countries to the West is because of precisely what the zionists are doing. So while you might secretly whoop and delight at another 10k brown babies being killed because you think that is 10k less in an imaginary paranoia of a future invasion, the reality is that those actions simply create the conditions that push many orders of magnitude more towards the West,

You should really be able to understand it with an alternative example. Can you understand why the Russians bombing and killing Ukrainians civilians didn't mean that less Ukrainians would come to Ireland because there were now less of them? Compared to if Russia had never attacked them?

You imagine that Russia and China are strong allies. This is far from the truth since China is both eyeing and occupying Russian territory on its shared boarder. China has told Russia to stop acting the dick and threatening nuclear strikes because it's bad for business. Trade between Russia and China has all but ground to a halt since Russia has no Chinese currency reserves and China doesn't consider the Ruble tradable anymore.

China is inching away from Russia at an increasing pace as there is no strategic advantage for china to prop up a country which is disrupting it's trade and drawing down sanctions on it.

I'm not defending all or even most of Israel's actions, but to say that "all Israel do is genocide", is a sick, stupid lie.

We are much closer to that point than your implying. The BRICs is an aspirational body at the moment - and Russia is undermining any attempts to set up an alternative reserve currency since it's currency is valueless.

If Russia collapses China will grab large chunks of territory and those territories will largely welcome them since Russia treats them as cannon fodder for its perpetual wars of conquest.

Plenty of evidence for it…..Israel are ignoring every single convention in terms of war….all they want is to clear the whole area with whatever way is possible…..

I don't think we are,but we'll just have to agree to disagree. Russia can't sustain its war indefinitely, so within the next couple of years(assuming Ukraine don't win outright) Putin will eventually be forced to the table. If he is faced with the possible break up of Russian territory or negotiating some kind of a settlement he will choose the latter. He will try spin it to the masses in Russia as a victory, but everyone else will not be fooled. The war in Ukraine could have ended a lot sooner if the Americans went all in. It could also end now if China did abandon Russia. I hope you are right, but as I said I don't think we are close to that point yet. Anyway we are widely off topic, so I will leave it at this.