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Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

  • 04-10-2024 10:02pm
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    Old thread here

    Mod warnings

    This thread is about Ireland's refugee policy, not immigration by any other means

    Please remain civil to each other. If you think someone is posting inaccurate information, or indeed trying to twist facts to suit theur agenda, do not accuse them of lying. Point out their inaccuracies and move on.

    No discussion of anything before the courts permitted

    There are threads dedicated to conflict in Ukraine and the Middle East. The situation in those countries is not for discussion here, although the impact on Ireland of refugees entering the country to escape such conflicts can be discussed



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,000 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Please all load me with thanks for being the first post 😃



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 615 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    The below is a response to poster @twinytwo in the last thread (emphasis mine) who said:

    Yet again you refuse to see the insanity of the stance you take.

    If anyone can come to Ireland on a false passport and a sob story. Claim asylum, even if not granted more than likely will get to stay in the country anyway because as you say were would we even send them. Then what is the point in any type of system or even a border?

    The whole purpose of the system as it stands is basically to extract as much money from the Irish taxpayer for every Asylum Seeker that arrives here for the benefit of anyone but the Asylum Seeker themselves or the pony up taxpayer.

    There is a whole industry developed around the AS system now. Well established legal eagles specialising in Asylum claims and appeals have been operating for quite some time and at least one of these is wife of a prominent politician - see: State asylum cases earned ex-minister's wife €1m | Irish Independent

    NGOs are costing us tens of millions, Hotels closing and becoming IPA centres overnight because it's such an easy earner, former pubs and restaurants too - it's so lucrative that even disused warehouses and factories are weighing in on the gravy train.

    You can bet your last red cent that those benefiting from all this money are not going to give it up - they'll be lobbying hard, very hard to keep the border control (or lack thereof) going. When there's a quick buck to be made, morals go out the window.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    For anybody who might be new to the anti-immigration conspiracy theories they go something like this...

    The NGOs, hotel owners, lawyers, academics, AGS and MSM are all in cahoots, with minister for integration Rodric O Gorman as the evil mastermind pulling the strings.

    You'll probably have to ignore migration trends throughout Europe, and believe that dealing with IPAs is as easy as sending people back on airplanes, just like they do in the border patrol TV shows.

    It helps if you've a soft spot for Putin, or are at least willing to turn a very blind eye to his efforts to spread anti-immigration hysteria around Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,668 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Felix Christian Muller was up to no good

    Should be shipped back to Turkey the minute he left jail



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    All the talk all week about a scuttery €9m spend proposed for phone pouches - OMG! the waste, it's outrageous blah, blah, blah

    Hardly a squeak about the 1000 million being whizzed up against the wall in just the first six months of this year giving a likely €2bn by the end of the year (or to put it another way, slightly less that a children's hospital in FG's world)

    FG: 'Keep on talking about the €9m you idiot peasants, lol'



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Great distraction to deflect from the real issues and cost to this country, absolutely sickening!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 615 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    For anybody who might be new to the anti-immigration conspiracy theories they go something like this...

    The NGOs, hotel owners, lawyers, academics, AGS and MSM are all in cahoots, with minister for integration Rodric O Gorman as the evil mastermind pulling the strings.

    Ah yes, they're all in cahoots! LOLs. They weren't in cahoots until they were. A fine example was the well publicised cash for ash scheme up North whereby once taxpayers money was put on the table there were plenty of takers and it ultimately ended in an absolute s**t-storm. A lesson for any wide-eyed aspiring politician that 'thinks' they are going to solve a problem is that once you put the taxpayers money on the table there is an endless stream of pi$$-takers (regardless of whether they wear a suit or not) to extract every cent/penny from said table.

    The dog on the street knows that the vast majority of the MSM are died-in-the-wool socialists who think that national borders are an abomination. The academics and the MSM have long held these views. The AGS and Roddy along with a large cohort of the public service in Ireland are running scared in fear of being labeled 'racist'. Their irrational fear of same clouds their judgements.

    You'll probably have to ignore migration trends throughout Europe, and believe that dealing with IPAs is as easy as sending people back on airplanes, just like they do in the border patrol TV shows.

    Migration trends throughout Europe - what an example, because the failures of mainland western European countries to grapple the migration/refugee crisis had been and continues to be a never-ending blunder. Whole districts of EU cities have descended into ghettos, racial tension, radicalism and continuous micro-conflicts. Ignore that at your peril - because those issues are manifesting in Ireland. Way-hay - we're European now, we've got our own [insert nationality here]-town.

    It helps if you've a soft spot for Putin, or are at least willing to turn a very blind eye to his efforts to spread anti-immigration hysteria around Europe.

    Putin and his buddy in Belarus are actively encouraging non-EU migration into the EU in order to create social cohesion issues, so having a soft spot for that demagogue isn't the 'gotcha' you think it is. Interestingly the fervent hard-left of Daly and Wallace had a soft spot for Putin - so perhaps you should be looking further left then to find your real source of hysteria.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,508 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Surely there's enough money in the coffers now to set up a fit for purpose screening system for IPA's.

    We should be aiming to accommodate genuine applications and have a system in place to escort bogus applicants out of the country swiftly once their applications are denied.

    Any genuine IPA's that are being left in tents or in arms reach of angry mobs are there because of the refusal of bogus claimants to leave the country, a country in the midst of a housing crisis no less.

    The figures that were released earlier this year detailing something in the region of 80% of applicants being found to not meet the criteria for remaining in Ireland is an indictment of the system as it currently exists.

    The fact that tax payers are funding NGO's who have been at times been illegally removing fencing placed to stop tents being pitched in dangerous locations placed by the Irish government at the expense of the tax payer shows how broken the system is here and the contempt these groups have for not only Irish tax payers but the IPA's they wish to leave in flimsy tenets often only inches from deep canals.

    Everything around this situation has spiralled out of control and with an election incoming, nothing will change for the better for the foreseeable future either.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 615 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Well said. Traditionally the Irish people would give an extended 'céad míle fáilte' to anyone and their dog who turned up - it was ingrained into our national psyche to do so, and we were very proud to do so. But the 'globalist socialists' or NeoSocs (as they should really be called) turned up with their absolute disdain for anything resembling a nationalist tradition had to be pulled down. You can see it being played out, albeit subtly, in almost every sphere of Irish life and commentary upon of today. They have weaponised our culture against us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 615 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    This video sums it up quite nicely:

    Man attempts to rescue one kitten, finds 12 more! 'We've got a kitten problem!' (youtube.com)

    Spoiler - you can't rescue all the kittens.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,187 ✭✭✭mistersifter


    Occasional summaries of @MegamanBoo posts are useful, so let's recap.

    This poster has previously argued that the Irish State should fund private airlines and ferry companies to actively seek out and transport masses of undocumented asylum seekers to Ireland.

    He/she has suggested that we should allow unlimited numbers of undocumented passengers to board ferries and planes without ID, thereby ignoring standard global security measures and enabling anyone who wants to travel to Ireland free of charge to do so at the expense of the taxpayer.

    The same poster has also argued that we should allow economic migrants to use the international protection system as means of moving to Ireland because "they would come here anyway". In other words, the poster is in favour of the large-scale abuse of the international protection system.

    Nobody in their right mind could agree with these ideas, as is reflected in the lack of thanks on their posts.

    The icing on the cake is that this poster has accused anyone who disagrees with them as having mental health issues. It all beggars belief but it's useful to remind ourselves who we're debating with at times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    The ignore button is a great function, more people need to use it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,725 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Where is his family, waiting in Greece or Germany for him to get set up in Ireland?

    I wonder was any investigation done in regard to his story



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