Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

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For anybody who might be new to the anti-immigration conspiracy theories they go something like this...

The NGOs, hotel owners, lawyers, academics, AGS and MSM are all in cahoots, with minister for integration Rodric O Gorman as the evil mastermind pulling the strings.

You'll probably have to ignore migration trends throughout Europe, and believe that dealing with IPAs is as easy as sending people back on airplanes, just like they do in the border patrol TV shows.

It helps if you've a soft spot for Putin, or are at least willing to turn a very blind eye to his efforts to spread anti-immigration hysteria around Europe.

All the talk all week about a scuttery €9m spend proposed for phone pouches - OMG! the waste, it's outrageous blah, blah, blah

Hardly a squeak about the 1000 million being whizzed up against the wall in just the first six months of this year giving a likely €2bn by the end of the year (or to put it another way, slightly less that a children's hospital in FG's world)

FG: 'Keep on talking about the €9m you idiot peasants, lol'

For anybody who might be new to the anti-immigration conspiracy theories they go something like this...

The NGOs, hotel owners, lawyers, academics, AGS and MSM are all in cahoots, with minister for integration Rodric O Gorman as the evil mastermind pulling the strings.

Ah yes, they're all in cahoots! LOLs. They weren't in cahoots until they were. A fine example was the well publicised cash for ash scheme up North whereby once taxpayers money was put on the table there were plenty of takers and it ultimately ended in an absolute s**t-storm. A lesson for any wide-eyed aspiring politician that 'thinks' they are going to solve a problem is that once you put the taxpayers money on the table there is an endless stream of pi$$-takers (regardless of whether they wear a suit or not) to extract every cent/penny from said table.

The dog on the street knows that the vast majority of the MSM are died-in-the-wool socialists who think that national borders are an abomination. The academics and the MSM have long held these views. The AGS and Roddy along with a large cohort of the public service in Ireland are running scared in fear of being labeled 'racist'. Their irrational fear of same clouds their judgements.

You'll probably have to ignore migration trends throughout Europe, and believe that dealing with IPAs is as easy as sending people back on airplanes, just like they do in the border patrol TV shows.

Migration trends throughout Europe - what an example, because the failures of mainland western European countries to grapple the migration/refugee crisis had been and continues to be a never-ending blunder. Whole districts of EU cities have descended into ghettos, racial tension, radicalism and continuous micro-conflicts. Ignore that at your peril - because those issues are manifesting in Ireland. Way-hay - we're European now, we've got our own [insert nationality here]-town.

It helps if you've a soft spot for Putin, or are at least willing to turn a very blind eye to his efforts to spread anti-immigration hysteria around Europe.

Putin and his buddy in Belarus are actively encouraging non-EU migration into the EU in order to create social cohesion issues, so having a soft spot for that demagogue isn't the 'gotcha' you think it is. Interestingly the fervent hard-left of Daly and Wallace had a soft spot for Putin - so perhaps you should be looking further left then to find your real source of hysteria.

Well said. Traditionally the Irish people would give an extended 'céad míle fáilte' to anyone and their dog who turned up - it was ingrained into our national psyche to do so, and we were very proud to do so. But the 'globalist socialists' or NeoSocs (as they should really be called) turned up with their absolute disdain for anything resembling a nationalist tradition had to be pulled down. You can see it being played out, albeit subtly, in almost every sphere of Irish life and commentary upon of today. They have weaponised our culture against us.

Occasional summaries of @MegamanBoo posts are useful, so let's recap.

This poster has previously argued that the Irish State should fund private airlines and ferry companies to actively seek out and transport masses of undocumented asylum seekers to Ireland.

He/she has suggested that we should allow unlimited numbers of undocumented passengers to board ferries and planes without ID, thereby ignoring standard global security measures and enabling anyone who wants to travel to Ireland free of charge to do so at the expense of the taxpayer.

The same poster has also argued that we should allow economic migrants to use the international protection system as means of moving to Ireland because "they would come here anyway". In other words, the poster is in favour of the large-scale abuse of the international protection system.

Nobody in their right mind could agree with these ideas, as is reflected in the lack of thanks on their posts.

The icing on the cake is that this poster has accused anyone who disagrees with them as having mental health issues. It all beggars belief but it's useful to remind ourselves who we're debating with at times.

warned and 1 day forum ban applied

I just read family's are coming here they apply for asylum if they are declined they stay here the process to send them back does not work or is not enforced this is a problem. There is not much space for rental or even places left in hostels for people to live in this country

I hear on newstalk around 20k are arriving every year

Does the government Just intend to spend billons renting hotel rooms or building new hostels ? Do they have a plan at all

Yes our economy is booming but as night follows day it will slow down

The price of oil will go up or maybe Intel or google will decide to lay off some workers

Do politicians plan more tthan 2 years ahead in this country

The government by it's actions is inviting abuse of the international system for asylum seekers

A right wing government has been elected in Austria because I presume young people are pissed off with how the present system works or how the eu rules on immigration works

If you drive around Dublin at night you,ll see men sleeping on the streets .I wonder are the hostels full

If the migration crisis is not dealt with by this much vaunted EU Migration Pact, the EU will fracture in the next 5 years.

I'm concerned about this now 2 billion a year "international protection" bill.

There's people from literally all over the world continuing to arrive.

That bill is going to go up. It's metastatic. In fact all the bloody spending is.

Such money being wasted is no problem when you are taking in so much money in corporation tax and one off payments from apple.

What is going to happen if things go south?

We have to consider a future where inward foreign investment slows. Despite having the advantage of now being the only English speaking country in the European union there are no guarantees in life.

Low paid Irish and "new Irish" will be competing for jobs and benefits.

I'm old enough to remember the word "austerity"

We could be setting the stage for some serious, serious social problems.

No their plan is to provide new homes at a cost of €440,000 to people who arrive and have never contributed a cent to the economy.

Meanwhile working nurses and gards who pay taxes can’t afford a place to live in or call their own.

It’s gone past the point of been outraged as people are numb to the whole farce.

If we keep admitting people, speaking english wont be the advantage we have anymore. The way its going

To those who say migrants do not commit more crime than natives . This type of internet crime along with , invoice bank scams , money laundering does appear to be the domain of migrants .

https://www.thejournal.ie/courts-romance-fraud-ireland-dating-apps-6505840-Oct2024

Independant Irieland robust manifesto on Immigration .

https://www.independentireland.ie/immigration

Aontu has a policy too on Immigration and protection of our border .

https://gript.us19.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f5c1b5b46f9bf7e46e0f8ddd5&id=68fe839741&e=7b1578e656

Yeah the ignore button is handy alright. Good observation.

If only the communities paying the price for the government's reckless immigration policies had the same luxury.

To answer your question at least somewhat - the government's plan is the "Comprehensive Accommodation Strategy" which involves using State-owned lands to house 14,000 asylum seekers and the remainder in privately owned places like hotels, factories, Mosney etc.

The main plan is to use tented sites like the ones in Crooksling and Newtownmountkennedy, and the forthcoming ones in Thornton Hall and Athlone (right beside a pre-existing centre - lucky Athlone!). State-sanctioned shanty towns is what they are.

What's worse is that this plan, reckless as it is, is totally failing. The government is struggling enormously to get these sites up and running. The Thornton Hall site is meant to house 1000 but has been in the pipeline for a long time and still empty. The Crooksling site has a few hundred on it, is prone to flooding, and is an absolute hell-hole by all accounts. The few tented sites that they have managed to set up are accommodating relatively small amounts of asylum seekers and they are places where violence and gangs are the norm.

The failure to address the issue means we're going to see more and more asylum seekers living on the streets and billions more handed over to private landlords/hotels etc. And the government will continue to take accommodation from Irish students as they are doing in Sligo, thereby denying many the opportunity of third-level education.

In sites like Mosney, some refugees have been living there for many many years. They're unable to leave because of the lack of housing, and they have become totally dependent on the state - institutionalised.

They will try to remove Ukrainians from State-owned accommodation and put asylum seekers in there, but it's going to prove very difficult.

All of this is only the tip of the iceberg. Things are going to get much worse.

Well said. These 400 'extra' staff will likely be wet-behind-the-ear new recruits or juniors moved from elsewhere in the public service. All scared to death of getting accused of being 'racist' if they deny a claim for Asylum. I expect these 400 poor souls to rubber stamp each application out of fear and naivety, for a while at least.

This move shows the governments real intent which is to continue to accept increasing numbers annually. There is little or no plan to discourage IPAs heading for Ireland from this current government, if anything the opposite is the form horse - tweets in several languages, etc…

Well now you've gone n done it, highlighted race. What exactly is the portions of ethnicity worldwide at this present time. Lets highlight it. Ya want to bring up race. Lets do it. Lets see who is the real minority. Considering Nigera alone in population is to surpass all of north America with inhabitants by 2050 alone.

Oh nice! Predictable actually that Leo throwing his hands up now and saying immigration is something government can not control.

Unbelievable. This government or any has apparently no control over immigration.

Would they abdicate responsibility on other areas of governance?

"Hospital waiting list is something government can not control."

Law and order?

"Law and order is something government can not control."

This is the only they will claim this. And it's exactly as Douglas Murray says.

There's definitely something seedy going on.

https://youtu.be/ndtVvMnFw5A?si=VJuHmmE3MKFl1A4Q

Where's the conspiracy?

You just have to listen and read their own words, they are not trying to hide it.

Barberra Specter.

"Europe will have to accept that it will not be the monolithic culture it once was,and the Jews will be at the Heart of that"

Peter sutherland.

UN migration chief Peter Sutherland has said that the EU should do its best to undermine the homogeneity of its Member States by encouraging more migration and greater multiculturalism.5 Sept 2012.

This has been the plan for a long time now, what we are seeing now is the conserted effort of numerous groups all of which benefit from

We should really be working on our relationship and cooperation with the UK,

When the next elections come around if Starmer lasts that long and a party like reform gets into power,Like what happened when the rawanda deal was suggested,they will end up volleying refugees from Europe (france) straight back into Europe (Ireland) and not The UK,France or the rest of Europe will give two **** about us,

I'd be looking at our own tribe before others. Specifically hotel owners and such.

Even just our mindset of a continuous increase of house prices. I understand home owners want that.

It does imply a continuous increase in population to achieve that however.

973 migrants in 17 boars crossed the channel yesterday

The largest of daily arrives for almost two years

I dread to think how many will come here

All we really have to do (and should be) is the bare legal minimum.

If they don't like the conditions they can go back home or anywhere else that'll take them. No one is holding them hostage.

Meanwhile we should be asking any politician that darkens our door in the coming weeks/months what their position is on Ireland's immigration strategy/laws and how they and their party propose to address the free for all and outright scams that are currently occurring. Don't be afraid to speak your mind - the current approach relies on people being too cowed to stand up for themselves and their community for fear of being branded racists by people they probably don't care about anyway!

If it were up to me, anyone arriving with fraudulent or no documents would be turned around and sent back on the returning flight/ferry/whatever.

Likewise anyone with a criminal record likewise or arriving from places where it's blatantly clear they're economic migrants. It's ridiculous that we end up paying for legal representation and potentially imprisonment for scammers and criminals.

Ukrainians need limiting too. It's already started with the reassessment of supports but it needs to go further. It's not our conflict and there's a massive area west of the actual fighting they could go to. The conflict itself will continue so long as the West is willing to keep throwing money and weapons into it and it's a useful way to distract and destabilise Europe for Putin. We can't just keep accepting anyone who arrives regardless.

Ireland needs to put Ireland first. We have our own massive domestic problems that aren't being dealt with and need the billions and focus being put into all this. Once we get a handle on those, then maybe we can think about saving the rest of the planet!

Careful now, he will pretend he didn't actually say any of that…

So some current outstanding questions that @MegamanBoo has yet to provide an answer for:

1. An explanation of these "hard border policies" he continues to insist that Ireland has?
2. As he is worried about the costs involved in "useless deportation attempts" and the security costs involved with dealing with the "mentally ill and racists". Why given the situation he again insists we must have whereby anyone can come here without a passport, can claim asylum and most likely never leave if attempt fails - are we wasting huge sums of money running the system, having immigration control, visas etc or even a border.

The floor is yours, enlighten us.

This poster has been corrected several times but insists on pushing the same nonsense.

It's typical of the anti-immigration brigade, and raises the question of how to deal with a (quasi) political movement who just aren't grounded in reality.

Here's some more lies they commonly push.

Lie: Asylum seekers don't work and become welfare dependent.

Fact: The ESRI reports strong employment uptake by people from the IPA community.

https://www.esri.ie/system/files/publications/RS160.pdf

Lie: People coming through 'safe' countries are 'bogus' asylum seekers.

Fact: IPA's do not have to stay in the first 'safe' country they reach. While many do, it's of course reasonable and legal to travel further, whether for family reasons, job opportunities or long term stability.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/refugees-first-safe-country/

Lie: 'Bogus' asylum seekers arrive from 'safe' countries.

Fact: Countries which are designated safe by the Department of Integration are deemed to be so for the majority of people. People can still seek asylum from these country where individuals or smaller minority groups might still be persecuted.

https://www.thejournal.ie/what-are-designated-safe-countries-of-origin-in-ireland-what-countries-how-does-it-work-how-many-applicants-6285239-Jan2024/

1,317 asylum seekers caught pretending to be children

Record 1,317 asylum seekers caught pretending to be children in bid to avoid being sent home | The Sun

In Ireland also

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2024/08/27/officials-concerned-about-adult-asylum-seekers-claiming-to-be-minors

Department of Children flagged concerns that in some cases, adults were claiming to be under 18