Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

Can't remember who said it, but I saw a tweet saying that if "they" could really control the weather, it'd be raining directly over MTG's head 24/7

She is a Neocon warmonger who was on the wrong side of a power struggle in the Republican party.

It just shows how desperate the Democrats are now that they are wheeling her out on the campaign as some sort of friend of Democrats, or a friend of fairness and decency in American politics. You cant make this stuff up.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

And your choice of politician is the guy who said Russia can invade NATO countries if he doesn't think they're paying enough. He literally cites how individuals like Orban love him. Also there's ongoing suspicions that Netanyahu is delaying a ceasefire cause he wants a Trump presidency... Putin, Netanyahu, Orban etc don't want a Trump presidency because of his supposed peacemaking credentials.

Exactly! The Democrats are so desperate they’ll wheel out Cheney like she’s their new moral compass, as if this is going to move the dial. It’s ridiculous!

I thought Harris's position on the Israel-Palestine conflict was to get a ceasefire as quickly as possible and then, ultimately, a two-state solution. This is about as progressive as you're going to get in the USA and still expect to have a chance in a Presidential election.

There may be a vast progressive base in the USA, but as we saw with Bernie v. Hillary, they just don't get off their arses enough to actually go vote, seeing as Hillary would have won even without needing the superdelegates.

This is an example of where Trump has more agility on the issue. There are just more people in the US who aren't that gone on the old A-rabs when it comes down to it, and will be more amenable to his message of 'kill them all, if necessary', whereas Harris has a more tenuous position of compromise.

Harris has a small lead in PA. Trump the same in NC.

Personally think its dire that Harris is so proud of the Cheney endorsements. Harris the other day thanking Liz for the service of her father was a genuine low point of the campaign, what service should we thank Dick Cheney for?

Their isn't any indication that even politically it will matter much anyway, Dick left office with an approval ratings of 11% while what has Liz achieved in politics? It seems similar to GOP wishcasting that Tulsi and RFK endorsing Trump is a needle mover, just naivety and people who don't know where the other side are in 2024.

And yes I am aware that Trump is a warmonger and if wins will staff his cabinet with war mongers like he did in 2016 and do war monger things.

We should probably try not to worry about things that are outside of our direct control.

Harris has a slightly better path to victory than Trump. It's a far cry from two months ago don't forget...

Imagine Having a party so retarded even Liz Cheney is distancing herself from.. 🤣

warned and 1 day forum ban applied

I don't really see what Liz Cheney stumping for Harris actually achieves. In MAGA heads, it just further embeds the idea of Trump v 'The Uniparty' and makes him ever more the dissident and disruptor who the establishment fears so much. What does it do for the undecideds who are left? Do they even know or care who Cheney is?

If Harris doesn't have enough of a vital message to bring to the American people - something to rally voters - then her campaign cannot rely on endorsements to paper over the cracks.

Agreed, Trump likes to pretend he is a dove (lol) and his people can now hurl "warmonger" insults at Harris and that matters as the Iraq war was hugely unpopular with the American public and yeah Dick Cheney had a lot to do with that.

Harris has got a lot right since her late introduction to this race and while I don't think it will cost her much I am hugely skeptical it's a net benefit to her.

Even if some Republicans still listen to Cheney, it's a easy ad for the Trump campaign to make that The Uniparty is running scared and they're now trotting out RINOs to advocate for Harris, so there's still a risk that a Cheney endorsement just galvanises the Trump base.

All these Republicans who don't like Trump - where were they during the Republican primary?

In the Republican primaries there were 20-30% of votes going to candidates other than Trump.

If Harris can grab a chunk of those votes esp in swing states it could be crucial.

It's possibly a bit of that, or all of that, which is all definitely and consequently because of this:

Alito, possibly Roberts, and most definitely Thomas are likely to retire under a 2nd Trump administration and senate. This would give the SCOTUS a Trump supermajority for the next 30 or more years. This is why Trump doesn't lose his base, this is why he won in 2016, this is why traditional Republicans shielded him from impeachment (even for flagrant criminal acts, and violent coup attempts) and why the current majority on the Supreme Court has tried so diligently to immunize him from prosecutions. It's why the base ignores his laundry list of character flaws, criminal convictions, findings of civil liabilities, and why it is often said, he could murder someone in broad daylight and they'd still find some delusional means by which to explain away their support for him.

The Federalist Society, Heritage Foundation and other elements of the right wing that have been engineering a complete usurpation of the US government for decades now, and had Hillary won in 2016, it would have been the first time since the FDR era that Republicans did not have a majority on the Supreme Court. Now, if Trump gets in again, he would hand them a SCOTUS supermajority, for the next 30+ years.

If Harris wins, it may be the last time there is a shot at rebalancing the court to be bipartisan - ever. Were that not to happen, Republicans will spend the next several decades eroding civil liberties and consumer protections in the name of amassing wealth and power for themselves, and engineering the conditions by which they can never lose control of the United States again to notions like a democratic majority of the people.

Worth noting 4 of the current justices helped Bush steal the 2000 election: Thomas was on the supreme court and helped it decide to stop the recount that would have shown Gore won the vote in Florida, and Roberts, Kavanaugh and Barret helped prepare the Bush campaign's arguments for the Supreme court. Bush rewarded Roberts and Kavanaugh with federal benches. The fact, John Oliver points out, that conservative judges in lower courts were rarin' to go with decisions to publish citing the end of the Chevron Doctrine, on the very same day SCOTUS announced the demise of the doctrine, tells me there is coordination and collusion going on. If they will collude about that they will collude about overturning an election.

Just like 2016, this seems to be getting left with limited attention the closer we get to the election, but it far and away is the top issue of our time, not Iran, not Ukraine, Gaza, and not the price of eggs or housing or student loans.

The saving grace in all of this is that they've already tipped their hand and shown they are willing and prepared to rip up the norms of the law by ignoring stare decisis etc. to shortcut to the outcomes they want like the end of Roe, and people are at least activated about that.

It is very rich to hear MAGA talking about "the Deep State" - the reason they cannot explain it to us is it's not an accusation, it's a confession.

Doubt the swing state Muslim voters in Michigan/Georgia and younger Dems would be keen tbf.

Do you remember trump's dealing with the Iran deal previously?

The duplicity and lack of scruples from the MAGA side would ensure that regardless of what the Biden Administration did with Iran, they would be wrong. If Biden supported an Israeli attack on Iran, he’d be labelled a “warmonger” by MAGA. If he didn’t support an Israeli attack he would then be condemned for not doing so by the very same people.

There is no principled position, merely a issue to use against the Dems..that is all. Similarly, it is very rich to hear MAGA faithful becoming so very concerned about Gaza when they damned well themselves that they couldn’t give the smallest amount of a damn for the plight of the Palestinian people. Again…no principle…only a clumsy bludgeon to wield, since their own “politics” is so indefensible.

I might also be worth mentioning that Donnie was no Dove by design. He failed to engage in an actual war because he lacked the bottle and follow-through needed to do it. It required effort, which we all know Donnie simply doesn’t have. There was a real sense of danger during his years that he would actually try to kick off a shooting war with Iran. You even had that goul Bolton in his cabinet trying to make it happen. Donnie would have loved the hero-worship he could imagine as a War President and would have done it in a heartbeat…if it weren’t for all of the extra work needed to make that happen. Much like his (thankfully) less-than half-arsed attempt to overthrow American democracy, he hadn’t the follow-through to make that war happen…no doubt to Bolton’s unending frustration. A rare example of Donnie’s fecklessness being useful to the world.

No, instead he went and moved the US Embassy in Isreal to Jerusalem…pissing off practically everyone and doing no favours at all to the cause of world peace.

It seems that Israel does not have the capabilty to do more than set back Iran's program by more than a year or so.

Israel don't have the hardware to reach that far down.

It's debatable whether the Americans do.

But even if they stalled any programs, unless they actively invade and occupy Iran or nuke it - neither will happen. They will just build their next enrichment facilities further down and actively produce an Arsenal at some stage.

The reality is the slaughter needs to end and diplomacy needs to break out.

Again a stark reminder of what is at stake in November.