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A possible scam?

  • 04-10-2024 5:14pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭


    A possible scam which is difficult to understand for me:

    I advertise something for sale on Facebook Marketplace. The merchandise on offer is for personal pick up only and payment in cash. This is very clear in the ad. No online payment, no Paypal, no google friends, or similar, just cash. The value is often not more than 5 or 10 Euros and from a personal perspective only a symolic value.

    Somebody takes an interest and sends me a message. The user is apparently in Africa or in China as far as I can tell. The user wants to direct me into some starbucks or similar, to arrange pick up. I keep telling them, that it's only for personal pick up at my place.

    So why would somebody from China or Africa want to direct me to some starbuck's coffee or similar in Ireland for a product he or she can't pick up in person? And it's very clear I only accept cash and pick up in person?

    Are they stupid or dumb or is there something I am missing? It could potentially be a scam, but if we can't meet in person, how could they scam me?



Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,788 ✭✭✭con747


    No idea, but I'm sure like people doing car buying scams where you meet them with cash to buy a car and 5 of their mates jump out and take whatever you have. There is no shortage of ways these people can scam you that you will never dream of until it's too late.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭standardg60


    What will happen if you're naive enough to follow along they will have arranged a 'courier' to meet you. There will then be an insurance or some other charge they ask you to wire upfront that will be reimbursed when you meet said courier. If you refuse that you will be told that courier is already arranged and refusal to pay will lead to your arrest and charge.

    I've seen a copy of these messages, hilarious if you know it's an obvious scam, scary if you don't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,581 ✭✭✭Deep Thought


    As above, it’s about a courier to pick it up.. and you sending them money.

    The narrower a man’s mind, the broader his statements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Understood. But what I don't get, it's about 5 or 10 Euros, nothing more. The merchandise is also of no real value as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    That really doesn't matter. I've seen those scams as well, for items priced at as little as €10. Am guessing that like with many other scams, they just sent out thousands of them in reply to all sorts of adverts placed, hoping for just a few people to bite.

    Can be fun to string them along sometimes, but I mostly just ignore them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Nothing to do with the value of what you're selling, it's the courier charge. In the example I saw it was 100 euros.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭chrisd2019


    Some person at a computer somewhere is send 1000s of such messages, or directing automated IT systems to send, only need to find one person to fall for the insurance bit now and then to profit. The nature and value of the item is not important, its the pressure to get you hooked on the topic.

    Many years ago played along with a guy knowing the deal was a scam, got to the stage that I was to meet someone to pay in the lobby of a bank in Limerick on a Monday morning… thing was the scammer never heard of St Patricks day, as the bank was closed for the holiday….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    OK, understood but what would the next steps of the ones wanting to scam me be? They direct me to a Starbuck's coffee. I refuse to go there, but if I was to go there what would happen or what would I have to expect? I've already told them I'd only accept cash, nothing else. What would they expect me to do? I certainly won't give them the merchandise without pay, I've already told them, I'd only accpet cash. So why would they still bother? - I certainy wouldn't part with the merchandise if nothing is paid in cash.

    It's possible it's also only a joke. If I went to that location, say a Starbuck's coffee, nobody would show up, and they'd be laughing their head off somewhere in China or Africa? Still, if it was that way, a strange kind of humor….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭extra-ordinary_


    The interest shown in the article for sale, is it just a generic message that can apply to anything? It's possible the scammer's message does not take into account any conditions of the sale, as said, thousands of ads are targeted, they just need a few to fall for it and they're in profit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    It's possible. Also, it's possible that they use some kind of bot as well. A scam for 5 or 10 Euros in cash and that all the way from China or Africa doesn't sound plausible to me at all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,788 ✭✭✭con747


    OP there's only one way to find out for certain. Everyone is telling you it's a scam so if you really want to find out how it works you need to go see.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭extra-ordinary_


    The scammers don't care about the cost of the item for sale, they've no interest in the item, it's the seller they're trying to scam. Go to Starbucks and see what their next step is and maybe it will become clearer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    I reckon the thing about go to Starbucks (or wherever) is a bit of a red herring. If somebody is naive enough to agree to that, they're also likely to be naive enough to fall for the next step, which is where you'll probably get a message about some sort of courier/insurance fee which has to be paid up front, and which you as seller have to pay. You'll be assured that you'll get this money back after the transaction goes through, along with whatever the sale price is for the item itself, but you can probably guess yourself that once you pay the courier/insurance fee, you'll never hear from the person at the other end again.

    Basically, they won't care if you actually go to Starbucks. If you turn up there, there'll be nobody to meet you, and nothing will happen, other that you sitting around for however long, feeling ever more foolish and thinking 'I shouldn't have paid that fee up front….'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Interesting. Even more stranger, that I stated from day one, I'd only accept cash, nothing else. If they'd think I'd pay something upfront for some courier service, than they are very much mistaken.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,965 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    But they don't care that you only take cash.

    If you agree to go to Starbucks the next move they will make is spring the courrier insurance payment story on you before you go, and they will tell you the courrier will pay you cash when you hand over the item to the courrier.

    But that will never happen because once you pay that courrier insurance that's the end of the scam.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,946 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Hi OP.

    In my day job as a Nigerian Prince I see this scam all the time.

    I can show you how it works but I will need €40 to make the call. DM me for my bank details.

    🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Interesting. I would never have fallen for that one anyway. It's cash only upon exchange of goods, nothing else.

    In the end, it might be a bot or something like that. It sounds by your description an awful lot for just 5 or 10 Euros.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,965 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Yeah it's probably a bot, sending out hundreds of thousands of emails to hundreds of thousands of FB Marketplace ads.

    You're nothing special, they don't care about your product or price.

    If they get one scammed then it's worth it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,924 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    You keep missing the point. Of course it's possible.

    Nobody actually looked at your ad. Nobody read the terms or value. It's one of hundreds of thousands of automated mails sent out. You're giving it too much credence and over thinking it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    At least I won't fall for such a scam.

    I am not overthinking, I am personally finding it hard to understand.

    It's most likely a false response by some automated bot sending out mails, as you said.



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