Security guards on Dublin Bus

I expect it is no more than the type of security that has been on the Luas for decades. There is not much they can actually do and many of the worse offenders have a free travel pass.

Considering that the Luas security are now mainly revenue protection I can't see the security on the buses being much use. As they have no more power than a regular passenger the scumbags won't give a sh1t.

Another useless band aid to our anti social problems.

My judo sensei was just 5 foot. I'm 6'4 and he could fling me in every direction. I wouldn't read too much into someones height.

Haven't been on the luas in ages. Not that I was ever on it regularly. But I'd use it going to The Point or similar. What happened to all the ex-military Polish guys who used to be on. They not there anymore?

The only problem here is that they (the scrotes) don't give a sh*t. They kick off, do their usual, what's gonna happen? Security will tell the driver to pull into next stop and it's not like they are gonna drag them off the bus (Unfortunately). They'll just wait there until guards/whatever come.

It's not like the scrotes have anywhere to be like a job or similar. It's all just a laugh for them because "It's not their fault. It's society's fault. They didn't have the facilities or method of channeling their issues" like apparently we all had in abundance….

Granted that was at a time a funt up the hole type exit could be administered without getting sued over it.

Make jokes if you want, but in most of the situations I have been in in recent years, someone telling someone else to cop the fuq on, was all that was needed to diffuse the situation.

I'm not sure I really get the whole "limited powers" objection. Civilian security have always had the same powers, it doesn't remove the need for doormen on nightclubs or security guards in shopping centres. They absolutely have powers of arrest and can absolutely use force to eject people from private property.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122692831#Comment_122692831

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https://www.dublinbus.ie/news/introducing-our-new-safer-journey-team

Even if all this does is solve the problem absolute dipshits playing music through their stupid phone speakers, it will be money well spent.

The only ones up and about in town before midday tend to be the addicts attending the clinics because they have to, these are mostly harmless. It's not needed in the morning.

But they'll have no powers, same as Luas security. Scumbags and dealers with free passes just getting on and off like a merry go round when they spot security getting on.

Yep, Transport Police in Vancouver are not to be trfiled with and are very visible. Rarely any issues on public transport there. Should have the same here.

Great news and a step in the right direction as it doesn't look like we'll have Transport Gardai any time soon.

I'm sure the security will be deployed on the worst routes around the city and on the late Bus's also, at least the Bus driver won't be left alone to deal with all the anti-social behaviour that occurs.

Sad reflection on Dublin that you can't even get on a Bus or Luas without needing private security these days.

Well if they did set up a transport police as not a part AGS what's to say that they're going to well resourced. No point in setting up a force if it's going to be small and ineffective.

Ireland actually more police officers per capita than the UK but still lower than most EU countries.

You need a dedicated transport section of the existing Police in DUBLIN - not Ireland

canada doesn't have the same kind of scumbags we do that kick off all the time in public though. i lived there for a while, even the homeless addicts are ridiculously polite when asking you for money.

i'm not sure how security on buses would work, never seen it anywhere in the world. will they just be available to respond to issues, or just go around random buses changing here and there like they do on the dart?

in saying that i've never encountered any trouble on buses that i can think of, apart from people smoking etc. but it's been a long time since that even.

Just a general comment, that I'm finding this really sad, in the sense of it being a reflection on where we are going as a society.

Imagine how great it'd be if it was reversed: we had security on busses for decades, especially during the bad 80's, and today were able to announce that Irish society has progressed so far, we could actually disband transport security due to lack of incidents 😥

Does the scheme only apply to DB operated services in Dublin or will the security also be on GAI services?

I really can't what a few lads in high vis jackets with no power are going to do about stopping ASB on buses. How many security guards have actually been recruited I've heard rumours there's only 4 2 (on the southside) 2 (on the northside) going to be working at any one time.

It kind of reminds of how they got extra cleaners during covid to clean the buses it's just to make it look like the company/NTA is doing something about an issue when in reality they're doing fcuk all.

Serious question for anyone on this thread who seems to think private security have no powers to detain or eject anyone; what do you think happens when a shoplifter is caught in a store, or a drunk starts a fight in a club ?

People don't think that, what most people think and they're right. They have no more power than me or you. They can arrest you and detain you, like the general public can them, if they think a crime has been committed. There powers is based on Citizens arrest and is very limited. There is a fine line between a security guard arresting and detaining you and false imprisonment. They can't charge you or detain you for periods like the Gardai can. They must hand you over to the Gardai almost straight away.

Most aren't trained in arrest techniques and don't have the ability the Gardai do. Lots of Citizens arrests end with compensation been paid out. Most security guards do what is essentially a low paid unskilled job just to get by and want no trouble with Scumbags.

They know they have no more powers than the general public and won't get the same support the Gardai get if things go wrong. Say if a robbery took place and the robbers made their getaway by car and a security guard had a mobile patrol van. They are entitled to follow the robbers like me or you. They are not entitled to activate blue or orange lights or break the speed limit or red lights like the Gardai can. Hence they have no more powers than the public.