Second Captains Part II

Cienciano · 21-09-2020 3:42pm

From Mark Tighes book, at Delaney's birthday:

Delaney then paid a tearful tribute to Emma English. ‘He started
slobbering about their love,’ says Dunphy. ‘It was cringe city.’
Dunphy hadn’t seen much of his good friend Giles, who spent
much of the night up at a bar with Dr Alan Byrne, the Irish team
doctor, having a sing-song. As the guests drank their teas and
coffees, Delaney and English slowly danced alone between tables,
singing the lyrics to each other and kissing

Christ, Dunphy is on the money with cringe city. Who's going to play them in the movie? I think they could do it as a Spinal Tap type mocumentary and have Will Ferrell playing John Delaney.

S. Goodspeed · 21-09-2020 5:04pm

Been a fan of the lads since their OTB days and am a proud world service member but the quality (and quantity) of their content has really dipped of late, even taking the pandemic into consideration.

Friday’s show was a great case in point. They spent 30 mins talking to Vera Pauw on a Friday before a Liverpool / Chelsea game, a breaking Thiago transfer, US Open (with McElroy kind of still in contention), the sad passing of Pat Smullen, Bale loan, Sam Bennett rolling into Paris with Green jersey, not to mention the best climax to the TdF in years. The Pauw interview was fine but they could / should have found time to touch on some of the above too. Still no mention of the golf or tennis today or even Leinster (though I’m sure they’ll roll out Horgan later in the week for some fairly mundane takes). I know Monday is a “football show” but they should really revisit that the day after the greatest Irish sporting achievement in years.

OTB obviously have bigger budgets but they are really killing it at the moment. I’m really not a fan of some of their talent or shows but they are getting on some great guests and quickly reacting to big sports news as it happens. As another example they interviewed Conor Niland after Novak got kicked out of the US Open; a former player who was kicked out for a very similar thing a few years earlier. I don’t remember SC covering the expulsion at all but I’d imagine it was restricted to a few jokes about how he doesn’t believe in vaccines and is a bit of a dick...

I still enjoy some of the banter amongst the guys and maybe that’s what the show is all about now. But for football talk the Guardian is far superior, for general sports news & opinion OTB is the only show in town and their Sunday Paper Review (depending on who the guest are) is probably the sports talk show I enjoy the most at the moment.

sheroman01 · 21-09-2020 5:49pm

S. Goodspeed wrote: »

Been a fan of the lads since their OTB days and am a proud world service member but the quality (and quantity) of their content has really dipped of late, even taking the pandemic into consideration.

Friday’s show was a great case in point. They spent 30 mins talking to Vera Pauw on a Friday before a Liverpool / Chelsea game, a breaking Thiago transfer, US Open (with McElroy kind of still in contention), the sad passing of Pat Smullen, Bale loan, Sam Bennett rolling into Paris with Green jersey, not to mention the best climax to the TdF in years. The Pauw interview was fine but they could / should have found time to touch on some of the above too. Still no mention of the golf or tennis today or even Leinster (though I’m sure they’ll roll out Horgan later in the week for some fairly mundane takes). I know Monday is a “football show” but they should really revisit that the day after the greatest Irish sporting achievement in years.

OTB obviously have bigger budgets but they are really killing it at the moment. I’m really not a fan of some of their talent or shows but they are getting on some great guests and quickly reacting to big sports news as it happens. As another example they interviewed Conor Niland after Novak got kicked out of the US Open; a former player who was kicked out for a very similar thing a few years earlier. I don’t remember SC covering the expulsion at all but I’d imagine it was restricted to a few jokes about how he doesn’t believe in vaccines and is a bit of a dick...

I still enjoy some of the banter amongst the guys and maybe that’s what the show is all about now. But for football talk the Guardian is far superior, for general sports news & opinion OTB is the only show in town and their Sunday Paper Review (depending on who the guest are) is probably the sports talk show I enjoy the most at the moment.

OTB Sunday Paper review is great. It's quite telling that it's OTB's best content, where there are more guests than presenters. Great time for Joe Molloy.

kippy · 21-09-2020 6:29pm

S. Goodspeed wrote: »

Been a fan of the lads since their OTB days and am a proud world service member but the quality (and quantity) of their content has really dipped of late, even taking the pandemic into consideration.

Friday’s show was a great case in point. They spent 30 mins talking to Vera Pauw on a Friday before a Liverpool / Chelsea game, a breaking Thiago transfer, US Open (with McElroy kind of still in contention), the sad passing of Pat Smullen, Bale loan, Sam Bennett rolling into Paris with Green jersey, not to mention the best climax to the TdF in years. The Pauw interview was fine but they could / should have found time to touch on some of the above too. Still no mention of the golf or tennis today or even Leinster (though I’m sure they’ll roll out Horgan later in the week for some fairly mundane takes). I know Monday is a “football show” but they should really revisit that the day after the greatest Irish sporting achievement in years.

OTB obviously have bigger budgets but they are really killing it at the moment. I’m really not a fan of some of their talent or shows but they are getting on some great guests and quickly reacting to big sports news as it happens. As another example they interviewed Conor Niland after Novak got kicked out of the US Open; a former player who was kicked out for a very similar thing a few years earlier. I don’t remember SC covering the expulsion at all but I’d imagine it was restricted to a few jokes about how he doesn’t believe in vaccines and is a bit of a dick...

I still enjoy some of the banter amongst the guys and maybe that’s what the show is all about now. But for football talk the Guardian is far superior, for general sports news & opinion OTB is the only show in town and their Sunday Paper Review (depending on who the guest are) is probably the sports talk show I enjoy the most at the moment.

I really enjoyed the VP talk tbh.
The PL/Transfers talk is had on tonnes of other platforms and it's refreshing to have different angles I think myself.
Granted there's plenty other stuff going on too that they could have covered but I am sure a lot of it will be disected this week.

happydude742 · 21-09-2020 6:54pm

OTB's relationship with bookmakers is very problematic in this day and age. Decent show but at what cost???

dr.kenneth noisewater · 21-09-2020 6:55pm

S. Goodspeed wrote:

Been a fan of the lads since their OTB days and am a proud world service member but the quality (and quantity) of their content has really dipped of late, even taking the pandemic into consideration.

S. Goodspeed wrote:

Fridayâ€™s show was a great case in point. They spent 30 mins talking to Vera Pauw on a Friday before a Liverpool / Chelsea game, a breaking Thiago transfer, US Open (with McElroy kind of still in contention), the sad passing of Pat Smullen, Bale loan, Sam Bennett rolling into Paris with Green jersey, not to mention the best climax to the TdF in years. The Pauw interview was fine but they could / should have found time to touch on some of the above too. Still no mention of the golf or tennis today or even Leinster (though Iâ€™m sure theyâ€™ll roll out Horgan later in the week for some fairly mundane takes). I know Monday is a â€œfootball showâ€ but they should really revisit that the day after the greatest Irish sporting achievement in years.

I dont think the lads do many of the shows on Friday, it's usually prerecorded stuff thats released Friday with stuff like that interview. Surprised they haven't gone back to the 2 shows on a Monday yet though, plenty of sport back now to cover it

Beersmith · 21-09-2020 7:32pm

They really don't do much previewing at all apart maybe from Ireland games

Still Ill · 21-09-2020 8:01pm

Is Glendenning not on that Guardian podcast? I just find him unlistenable. Can't stand him. Really enjoy the Totally Football Show though. A lot of in depth coverage and Jimbo is amazing.

Beersmith · 21-09-2020 8:04pm

I really like most that are on the TFS. Some notable excepts are that Brazilian lady natalie and the spanish guy alvaro. Just can't stand their terrible thick accents and bad English

Arghus · 21-09-2020 8:12pm

Cienciano wrote: »

From Mark Tighes book, at Delaney's birthday:

Christ, Dunphy is on the money with cringe city. Who's going to play them in the movie? I think they could do it as a Spinal Tap type mocumentary and have Will Ferrell playing John Delaney.

It's a very entertaining book so far - though it's quite gossipy and bitchy, they seem to have had access to everyone with an axe to grind with Delaney - and that is a lot of people. As much as I think Delaney was an absolute scumbag, I think there's a lot of people doing their best to paint themselves in the best possible light.

Dunphy is almost hilarious in his opportunism. The first chapter is dominated by Dunphy's frank assessment of Delaney and everything surrounding him - but yet he was happy enough to play the game, go to the dinners and pick up the complimentary Old Trafford tickets.

Ol' Donie · 21-09-2020 8:14pm

S. Goodspeed wrote: »

Been a fan of the lads since their OTB days and am a proud world service member but the quality (and quantity) of their content has really dipped of late, even taking the pandemic into consideration.

Friday’s show was a great case in point. They spent 30 mins talking to Vera Pauw on a Friday before a Liverpool / Chelsea game, a breaking Thiago transfer, US Open (with McElroy kind of still in contention), the sad passing of Pat Smullen, Bale loan, Sam Bennett rolling into Paris with Green jersey, not to mention the best climax to the TdF in years. The Pauw interview was fine but they could / should have found time to touch on some of the above too. Still no mention of the golf or tennis today or even Leinster (though I’m sure they’ll roll out Horgan later in the week for some fairly mundane takes). I know Monday is a “football show” but they should really revisit that the day after the greatest Irish sporting achievement in years.

OTB obviously have bigger budgets but they are really killing it at the moment. I’m really not a fan of some of their talent or shows but they are getting on some great guests and quickly reacting to big sports news as it happens. As another example they interviewed Conor Niland after Novak got kicked out of the US Open; a former player who was kicked out for a very similar thing a few years earlier. I don’t remember SC covering the expulsion at all but I’d imagine it was restricted to a few jokes about how he doesn’t believe in vaccines and is a bit of a dick...

I still enjoy some of the banter amongst the guys and maybe that’s what the show is all about now. But for football talk the Guardian is far superior, for general sports news & opinion OTB is the only show in town and their Sunday Paper Review (depending on who the guest are) is probably the sports talk show I enjoy the most at the moment.

OTB is the only show in town?

Lord above.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with this.

Arghus · 21-09-2020 8:15pm

Beersmith wrote: »

I really like most that are on the TFS. Some notable excepts are that Brazilian lady natalie and the spanish guy alvaro. Just can't stand their terrible thick accents and bad English

I thought I was the only one... That Alvaro fellow, I can't listen to TFS when he's on, I've tried, I can't hack listening to his accent. He seems a nice guy and he knows his stuff and I usually can get past an accent - but my brain just can't deal with the sound of that fella's voice.

Cienciano · 21-09-2020 10:49pm

Arghus wrote: »

It's a very entertaining book so far - though it's quite gossipy and bitchy, they seem to have had access to everyone with an axe to grind with Delaney - and that is a lot of people. As much as I think Delaney was an absolute scumbag, I think there's a lot of people doing their best to paint themselves in the best possible light.

Dunphy is almost hilarious in his opportunism. The first chapter is dominated by Dunphy's frank assessment of Delaney and everything surrounding him - but yet he was happy enough to play the game, go to the dinners and pick up the complimentary Old Trafford tickets.

Dunphy has Mark Tighe on his podcast and appareltly Dunphy ripping into Delaney. A quick scan through the book it looks like Dunphy is giving the impression he tolerated Delaney to get what he wanted off him. But he still defended him publicly long after the story broke.

Dunphy is entertaining, but he's part of the problem. He pretends he's not afraid to speak out about corruption, he's not afraid to say anything when in reality he's bought cheaper than most. He'd be one of the lads voting in John Delaney because he donated €5k to their club. He'd be the one in the Oireachtas hearing, queuing up to give praise and softball questions because Delaney appeared at a fundraising raffle at a club in his hometown. But even worse, when the rats have left the sinking ship, he denies all knowledge , pretends he never said all that and puts the boot in.

Arghus · 22-09-2020 2:00am

Cienciano wrote: »

Dunphy has Mark Tighe on his podcast and appareltly Dunphy ripping into Delaney. A quick scan through the book it looks like Dunphy is giving the impression he tolerated Delaney to get what he wanted off him. But he still defended him publicly long after the story broke.

Dunphy is entertaining, but he's part of the problem. He pretends he's not afraid to speak out about corruption, he's not afraid to say anything when in reality he's bought cheaper than most. He'd be one of the lads voting in John Delaney because he donated €5k to their club. He'd be the one in the Oireachtas hearing, queuing up to give praise and softball questions because Delaney appeared at a fundraising raffle at a club in his hometown. But even worse, when the rats have left the sinking ship, he denies all knowledge , pretends he never said all that and puts the boot in.

I listen to Dunphy's podcast from time to time and he can be a good host, depending on the guest and sure he's been an entertaining figure in Irish public life for decades, but, yes, the chapter in the book dominated by Dunphy's recollections reaffirmed my essential view on the man:

He's a BS artist with zero integrity, who'll play the contrarian when it's beneficial, but who'll equally suck up to those in charge when it's required - and who'll change his tune when required too; a hack.

It felt a bit rich reading about how much he supposedly hated going to those dinners and accepting those tickets. Sure, hey, at least he had mental reservations...

It makes it worse in my eyes that he had enough brains to have those reservations and still said and did essentially nothing and never, to my knowledge, raised any questions publicly while Delaney was ruling the roost. That's worse than the brainless acolytes who hung off Delaney's coat tails. Dunphy knew the craic and said nothing and kept quiet, but now is sticking the boot in. Not that Delaney doesn't deserve it - boy does he deserve it - but why didn't you use your unique position in the Irish media Eamo to raise your voice when it might have made some difference?

Raoul · 22-09-2020 8:46am

Agree with the majority of that there. But in the book, yes Dunphy is sticking the boot in and it is entertaining but at the same time he does say he took the tickets and more or less shut up. So, he doesn't come out of it looking good.

EltonJohn69 · 22-09-2020 9:05am

Does anyone else think the book competition was possibly a scam ? The winners names sounded very made up to me ? Maybe there was one genuine winner in that list but..... even that I’m doubtful about.

elefant · 22-09-2020 9:09am

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Does anyone else think the book competition was possibly a scam ? The winners names sounded very made up to me ? Maybe there was one genuine winner in that list but..... even that I’m doubtful about.

Haha jesus christ

Still Ill · 22-09-2020 9:51am

Haha... Why would they fake a competition for fifty quid's worth of books that they probably got given for free.
Another Second Captain truther in the thread after the Mark Horgan conspiracy last year.

deisedude · 22-09-2020 10:02am

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Does anyone else think the book competition was possibly a scam ? The winners names sounded very made up to me ? Maybe there was one genuine winner in that list but..... even that I’m doubtful about.

I thought the name Booky Mcbookface sounded a little suspicious too :pac:

Salvation Tambourine · 22-09-2020 10:04am

Still Ill wrote: »

Haha... Why would they fake a competition for fifty quid's worth of books that they probably got given for free.
Another Second Captain truther in the thread after the Mark Horgan conspiracy last year.

Where Is...Mark Horgan?

elefant · 22-09-2020 10:18am

Nokotan wrote: »

Where Is...Mark Horgan?

Swimming in a big bath full of stolen John Delaney books.

dulpit · 22-09-2020 11:19am

Still Ill wrote: »

Haha... Why would they fake a competition for fifty quid's worth of books that they probably got given for free.
Another Second Captain truther in the thread after the Mark Horgan conspiracy last year.

What was the Mark Horgan conspiracy last year? Must have missed that...

RedRochey · 22-09-2020 11:28am

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Does anyone else think the book competition was possibly a scam ? The winners names sounded very made up to me ? Maybe there was one genuine winner in that list but..... even that I’m doubtful about.

Nah my friend knows one of the lads who won

dulpit wrote: »

What was the Mark Horgan conspiracy last year? Must have missed that...

Basically no one heard Mark in months so some people on here thought he had either be fired or left quietly or maybe that there was a big cover up for his absence

Icemancometh · 22-09-2020 11:34am

RedRochey wrote: »

Nah my friend knows one of the lads who won

Basically no one heard Mark in months so some people on here thought he had either be fired or left quietly or maybe that there was a big cover up for his absence

I think people is stretching it.

Brock Turnpike · 22-09-2020 12:02pm

RedRochey wrote: »

Nah my friend knows one of the lads who won

Basically no one heard Mark in months so some people on here thought he had either be fired or left quietly or maybe that there was a big cover up for his absence

One person. Dots 1982 or whatever his name was.

sheroman01 · 22-09-2020 12:20pm

Ken's Seamus Coleman impression was fcuking hilarious. I could not stop laughing :pac:

Also, was delighted when Eoin corrected Ken on when he said Jake Humphreys instead of Humphrey. I love Ken's knowledge of random things outside of sport, but christ he can come across as a right asshole and incredibly condescending when he corrects the lads on the show. His snort of contempt to Murph comes to mind when he got an expression wrong the other week.

Cienciano · 22-09-2020 12:31pm

dulpit wrote: »

What was the Mark Horgan conspiracy last year? Must have missed that...

Some guy on the thread wouldn't believe the lads when said Mark was working on another project. He though there was something sinister at play. The guy got plenty of attention and at the same time the same poster was on a thread in the soccer forum defending John Delaney saying Delaney was a great lad altogether. He got plenty of attention there too. Probably has a few more "controversial" opinions around other boards too. But if you call the poster what he is, you'll be the one who gets banned

Jim Root · 22-09-2020 1:38pm

happydude742 wrote: »

OTB's relationship with bookmakers is very problematic in this day and age. Decent show but at what cost???

Yes, Ive stopped listening to them because of this constant betting peddling.

Raoul · 22-09-2020 1:57pm

Jim Root wrote: »

Yes, Ive stopped listening to them because of this constant betting peddling.

I stopped listening last year mainly due to this reason.

I listen to LOI weekly and they seem to have a new betting sponsor. :mad:

RedRochey · 22-09-2020 2:01pm

Icemancometh wrote: »

I think people is stretching it.

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

One person. Dots 1982 or whatever his name was.

Ya fair, he didn't get much support anyway

What are people's thoughts on the George Gibney podcast? haven't got around to listening to it yet, heard it's tough listening but good

duffman13 · 22-09-2020 2:04pm

Raoul wrote: »

I stopped listening last year mainly due to this reason.

I listen to LOI weekly and they seem to have a new betting sponsor. :mad:

Its a little over the top now, I tune in for some segments of the show but I don't find it amazing! Has peaks and troughs really and not consistently good. The betting angle is also a turn off. It used to be just Friday night racing which I could understand but its everything now

S. Goodspeed · 22-09-2020 4:11pm

Ol' Donie wrote: »

OTB is the only show in town?

Lord above.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with this.

Is there anyone else who give a prompt Irish response to sporting events? Genuine question because I would love an alternative.

Granted SC interviewed Sam B today but OTB interviewed him yesterday in addition talking Leinster and McElroy.

bren2001 · 22-09-2020 4:33pm

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Does anyone else think the book competition was possibly a scam ? The winners names sounded very made up to me ? Maybe there was one genuine winner in that list but..... even that I’m doubtful about.

No doubt, they've even gone to the effort of setting up fake Twitter profiles for the winners:

https://twitter.com/rachelbarry/status/1308436591552147458

Scumbags!

healy1835 · 22-09-2020 4:37pm

S. Goodspeed wrote: »

Is there anyone else who give a prompt Irish response to sporting events? Genuine question because I would love an alternative.

Granted SC interviewed Sam B today but OTB interviewed him yesterday in addition talking Leinster and McElroy.

Well they broadcast live 7 days a week so it would be too bad if they didn't. I actually think that's one of the biggest issues with OTB these days, as they're putting out so much content they've spread their resources pretty thin and, for me, the quality suffers badly. There's only one Joe Molloy knocking around on their roster, and he's carrying a lot of passengers.

Whilst I do miss the live broadcasts from the SC lads, particularly the shows on during a midweek round of Premier League games, i don't mind them taking a day or two to cover items. I do agree with some of the posts above re Shane Horgan though. He's a tough listen at times.

Aidric · 22-09-2020 6:53pm

Arghus wrote: »

I'm also reading the book at the moment.

Even though I think I know the whole sorry story pretty well, there's still details on most pages that just make me say, "Jesus Christ".

Random sample: The final bill for Delaney's 50th birthday was 80,000 Euro - including 3,609 Euro for helicopters to ferry guests...that were never used.

The story told by Eoin on last Friday's podcast about Delaney bringing 20 lackeys along to a roadshow to bolster his support with the promise of a few free cans. Fúcking LOL.

Chalk McHugh · 22-09-2020 7:03pm

Enjoy the free Monday show. Usually football chat which is fine by me. But not a chance i would pay a subscription for it. There's more than enough excellent free sport podcasts out there to get through without paying three lads to talk about it.

healy1835 · 22-09-2020 7:04pm

Aidric wrote: »

The story told by Eoin on last Friday's podcast about Delaney bringing 20 lackeys along to a roadshow to bolster his support with the promise of a few free cans. Fúcking LOL.

They've definitely gone into that in more detail in the past i think. What an absolute cowboy.

Ol' Donie · 22-09-2020 8:47pm

Aidric wrote: »

The story told by Eoin on last Friday's podcast about Delaney bringing 20 lackeys along to a roadshow to bolster his support with the promise of a few free cans. Fúcking LOL.

I always remember the story McDevitt or Ken told of the roadshow, might have been that one, when they asked Delaney a question about finance or wages, and there were immediately shouts of "we're not here for an economics lecture" from the crowd he brought in.

Aidric · 22-09-2020 9:07pm

Ol' Donie wrote: »

I always remember the story McDevitt or Ken told of the roadshow, might have been that one, when they asked Delaney a question about finance or wages, and there were immediately shouts of "we're not here for an economics lecture" from the crowd he brought in.

Castro levels of commitment. Has there been any comment from Barry Egan in all this?

Ol' Donie · 22-09-2020 9:56pm

Aidric wrote: »

Castro levels of commitment. Has there been any comment from Barry Egan in all this?

If he can find time in between Vogue Williams and Brian Ormond/Pippa O'Connor interviews, presumably.

dulpit · 23-09-2020 5:06am

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Enjoy the free Monday show. Usually football chat which is fine by me. But not a chance i would pay a subscription for it. There's more than enough excellent free sport podcasts out there to get through without paying three lads to talk about it.

Thanks for that helpful insight.

Chalk McHugh · 23-09-2020 9:06am

dulpit wrote: »

Thanks for that helpful insight.

No problem. Anytime. And it's free too

EltonJohn69 · 23-09-2020 9:43am

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

No problem. Anytime. And it's free too

WE GOT A CAT FIGHT HERE FOLKS !!!!

dulpit · 23-09-2020 10:56am

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

WE GOT A CAT FIGHT HERE FOLKS !!!!

:pac:

EltonJohn69 · 24-09-2020 3:15pm

Turns out “the second Captains” are keeping a close eye on boards.ie....

ongarite · 24-09-2020 3:18pm

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Turns out “the second Captains” are keeping a close eye on boards.ie....

Own up scumbags!!
Who is the big Frank sympathiser here?

Beersmith · 24-09-2020 6:56pm

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Turns out “the second Captains” are keeping a close eye on boards.ie....

Unless that guy also emailed.

Great chat with the bohs CEO today I thought.

Beersmith · 24-09-2020 6:56pm

ongarite wrote: »

Own up scumbags!!
Who is the big Frank sympathiser here?

It wasn't that, it was in reference to Michael collins statue

kippy · 25-09-2020 7:01am

Beersmith wrote: »

Unless that guy also emailed.

Great chat with the bohs CEO today I thought.

COO wasn't it? Might have missed that intro but yeah was a great interview. Came across as a really dedicated and competent fella.

Raoul · 25-09-2020 9:29am

Raoul wrote: »

Murph really annoyed me yesterday or maybe it was the day before. Ken was talking about Michael Collins when they were talking about Doherty or Dockerty. Ken was about to start talking about something completely ridiculous about being down by the statue or something and Murph just had to interject and talk over him. Murphs point was right but whatever, it's entertainment and that's what Ken provides. I want to know what the statue ****e talk was.

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Email them

I wasn't the one that emailed in.

Just in case the lads do read the thread. Stop the rugby chat please! It bores the arse off me.

Second Captains Part II

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