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Hurricane Milton

  • 07-10-2024 3:19pm
    #1
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,735 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    Major Hurricane Milton has just undergone rapid intensification over the past 24 hours and is forecast to make landfall on the Western coast of Florida in just over two days. Maximum sustained winds are currently 250km/h or 155mph, barely below a Category five Hurricane. It is expected to become a category five in the next day and while it should go through an eyewall replacement and weaken that could also see the windfield get larger. It should encounter some dry air and wind shear before reaching Florida putting some brakes on Milton but still leaving it at or near a Category four. It will still be an very dangerous Hurricane with storm surge along a wide area and be a major threat to the Tampa Bay area, worst if it makes landfall just to its North.



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  • Posts: 133 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    2nd hurricane to hit Florida in a short space of time. Wonder will it flatten trumps place!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,616 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Because it has intensified so quickly, does that limit its size ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭traco


    Just hone and tunwd back in. It's officially a Cat 5 now. This is insane.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,735 Mod ✭✭✭✭star gazer


    Minimum central pressure keeps falling, 925mb at latest. How far can the maximum windspeed go before hitting limitating factors… There is a lot unprecedented or close to the top level about this hurricane, how fast it has intensified, this late in the season and where it started.

    NHC

    Hurricane Milton Tropical Cyclone Update...Corrected
    NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142024
    1055 AM CDT Mon Oct 07 2024

    Corrected for location/distances in the summary section

    ...MILTON RAPIDLY INTENSIFIES INTO A CATEGORY 5 HURRICANE...

    Data from an Air Force Reserve Hurricane Hunter aircraft indicate
    that Milton has strengthened to a category 5 hurricane. The
    maximum sustained winds are estimated to be 160 mph (250 km/h) with
    higher gusts. Data from the aircraft also indicate that the
    minimum pressure has fallen to 925 mb (27.31 inches).

    SUMMARY OF 1055 AM CDT...1555 UTC...INFORMATION

    LOCATION...21.7N 91.6W
    ABOUT 125 MI...200 KM WNW OF PROGRESO MEXICO
    ABOUT 715 MI...1150 KM SW OF TAMPA FLORIDA
    MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...160 MPH...250 KM/H
    PRESENT MOVEMENT...ESE OR 110 DEGREES AT 9 MPH...15 KM/H
    MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...925 MB...27.31 INCHES

    $$
    Forecaster Blake/Brown



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,659 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    It went from cat 2 at this afternoon to cat 5 by this evening.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,767 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Yucatan peninsula looks to take a proper blow now. That should disrupt it a little id have thought?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭traco


    I don't think the Yucatan will impact it significantly at this stage. It's still compact and will remain offshore so can't see any major change due to the land mass.

    As for the physics of it, I have no clue but there are intense lightning storms around the center and it's pulling a lot of air in and down quickly. You'd wonder if there comes a tipping point where it tears itself apart and collapses?

    There is still a huge amount of debris form Helene that hasn't been collected and county's have suspended that now. All that material now has the potential to become airborne missiles of small enough or battering rams with the storm surge.

    It seems a bit weird to be so enthralled in something that has the potential to cause so much misery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,767 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    In Ireland we put up with the $hite weather but don't get any extreme event's.

    In Florida etc they put up with the extreme event's for the great weather.

    Pick your poison 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,388 ✭✭✭pauldry


    As long as nobody is killed or there isn't too much damage but I fear both could be true unless there's sudden shear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭traco


    Here is an image I saved 19 years ago (long before AI generated images) of what damage debris can do.

    I have this saved as from hurricane Andrew in1992



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,735 Mod ✭✭✭✭star gazer


    Extreme intensification: up to 280km/h 275mph and down to 911mb



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,115 ✭✭✭adocholiday


    It could make it's way into the records of the most intense Atlantic hurricanes on record. Maria is at 10 with 908mb



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,095 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Up until a few years ago, rapid intensification used to be a rare event. Now its normal. And so many people on this forum claim climate change is exaggerated



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭glightning


    Looks like it is now 185mph.

    Was in Clearwater, FL back in the summer. Will be watching the Fox 35 webcams on Wed evening / Thursday to see what impact it has.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,115 ✭✭✭adocholiday


    Milton is now down to 905mb as per NOAA so now already in the top 10 most intense hurricanes by pressure, and still has a lot of water to cover before it reaches Florida. I don't know much about hurricanes really, is this likely to keep intensifying before making landfall?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,659 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    Should be an interesting watch this.

    Its going to smash into florida pass over it and emerge in the Atlantic still a hurricane according to the latest charts.

    https://www.youtube.com/live/uLRVRBWs8LA?feature=shared



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,787 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Sub 900mb



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 768 ✭✭✭monster1


    Down to 897mb, 200+ mph sustained winds! This thing is a beast!



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,232 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,095 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Milton undergoing Eyewall replacement and weakening to 155mph sustained winds.

    Still a strong Cat 4 and plenty of time to strengthen further before it makes landfall tomorrow morning



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭traco


    Next 12 hours will tell a lot. It will be interesting to see how big the next eyewall gets as I think the previous one was only 10km so relatively small for a hurruicane.

    If teh next one establishes quickly and pressure drops again the expanded wind field will mean impacts and storm surge will be felt further away. This could happen a third time before landfall although a reforming as it approaches land would help somehwat in terms of wind damage assuming it had not sufficient time to reform and become stable again.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,735 Mod ✭✭✭✭star gazer


    Milton has gone throught its Eye Wall Replacement Cycle, windspeed down to 230km/h 145mph with min central pressure 929mb but tropical storm force winds have pushed out to 165km/105miles from 130km last night (hurricane force stayed the same (45km). Even with some fluctuating it will be an "extremely dangerous hurricane through landfall in Florida".

    One of the things that has increased overnight is the forecast rainfall totals, up to localised 450mm (18 inches) possible, so risk of flash flooding from rain is a serious threat plus significant urban flooding, particularly in the area just north of the eye. Storm surge potential also 10-15 feet 3-4.5 meters in and around Tampa Bay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,754 ✭✭✭weisses


    Can this be classified as an Atlantic Hurricane though? as its not originating in the Atlantic...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,054 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Seems that the entire region is viewed as the Atlantic region for weather events.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    Are we anywhere near the technology required to terminate, or at least have some impact, on such hurricanes or other weather systems?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,616 ✭✭✭✭josip


    No, gave up on that during the 60/70s mainly due to eyewall replacement

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Stormfury



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    A combination of satellite views from NOAA of Category 4 #HurricaneMilton over the Gulf of Mexico as it barrels its way east toward Florida. Likely to be a Cat 3 hurricane by the time it makes landfall Thursday morning.

    www.x.com/wolfeeire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭traco


    I think the CAT number at landfall can be a bit misleading from a damage perspective. The wind will pass quickly but its the water and the surge that will not change much even if it drops off from a 5 to a 3 close to landfall.

    If the windfield is strong and large for long enough period over a large fetch of open water the momentum will carry it a long way. 1m x 1m x1m of water weights 1,000kg so imagine the sheer kinetic energy in a 2m (6 foot) surge as it moves forward. Now scale that up in height and width as its slowly but steadily pushes forward. It will take a lot of physucal structres and material to absorb and stop it. Now scale that up a few feet / meters and the numbers get silly very quickly.

    Another item I haven't seen mentioned is that post Ian two years ago much of the natural habitat, I'm going to mangroves but not all of it was, some of it was trees, shrubs. dense foliage etc along beaches and rivers was wiped out. It hasn't returned and what has is not as thick, so in many places the surge now has freer more clear access to run unobstructed.

    This was the view from my good firends condo on the beach before and after Ian. As I said it was erased, not a trace left. This area is still open today so any surge now has a clear path to drive much further inland. Sorry about teh quality but its through a lanai (fine mesh screen to keep bugs out).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    In the US at the moment and watching the weather channel here, they had a meteorologist on who was saying it’s at the mathematical limit of what a hurricane can be with regards to size, pressure and intensity. Also was talking about the eye being so small that there are multiple tornados on record with wider windfields than the eye of this! It’s going to rip up Central Florida!



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,263 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Traco is your pal in firing line again this time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭KurtBarlow


    I am supposed to fly to Orlando for an 8 day vacation at the parks , should I cancel?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭KurtBarlow


    Supposed to fly on Saturday arriving on Sunday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭KurtBarlow




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,996 ✭✭✭✭fits


    what are the parks saying? Tricky one.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 3,808 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeloe


    I'm due to fly out on the 25th, i'm not holding out hope that the parks will even be open.

    Travel agent said it's gonna be an act of god so no insurance will cover it either.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,115 ✭✭✭adocholiday


    I can't even begin to imagine how terrifying it would be to get caught up in a storm like this. Back in October 2000 I got caught in Cyclone Oratia and that was scary enough.

    I was part of a group that climbed Snowdon in Wales the morning it hit. We got back to camp and it was chaos, our tents took flight and a lot of our stuff was destroyed by rain. We hiked to a nearby pub, and the landlord knew a farmer with some outbuildings he let us stay in, but then the corrugated roof got torn off one of them so we all spent the night huddled together in a shed waiting for the worst to pass. Pretty sure that event gave rise to my interest in weather but specifically storms. I follow most of them that come to our shores with a lot of interest but sprinkled with a bit of healthy fear of them!

    These massive hurricanes though are another beast altogether, the sheer power and scale of something like Milton just dwarfs anything that comes our way and I'd be beyond terrified in that scenario. I hope those that have chosen to stay put can stay safe, but I'd have been on the road out of there at the weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭erlichbachman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,093 ✭✭✭yagan


    If I remember rightly Disney reopened two days after Irma, but the water parks stayed closed for longer.

    I guess it all depends on how much flooding there is and how long it takes to drain.

    The 25th will be two weeks after the storms so unless it's an absolute travesty they could well be back in business by then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,597 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    The way it intensified from cat 2 to 5 reminded me so much of Wilma.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭digger958


    watched BBC weather guy saying it had dropped 50millibars in 10 hours. For some reason that seemed to very significant as he clearly was emotional about what this meant to the devastation yet to be caused



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    The view from the Dragon Endeavour

    www.x.com/wolfeeire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭traco


    Ian made landfall just north of Fort Myers and caught places south of gaurd as it was supposed to come ashore further North around Tampa. That swing south and increase in surge caused a lot of damage.

    Presently this is due to make landfall at Tampa but if it swings south again then it's will be similar. This looks like a bigger storm so they are in the storm surge evac area in Naples and Collier County. We've a lot of friends there and many in a similar situation.

    What's going to happen at this stageis going to happen so it's just a wait and see scenario now for them.



  • Posts: 133 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just saw the news. People are being told if they don't leave Florida they will die. Serious bit a wind😱



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,735 Mod ✭✭✭✭star gazer


    Max wind speed up again to just below category five at 155mph/250km/h and presure dropping again to 923mb. It could be organising again for another run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Can I ask…did these hurricanes happen during Columbus's time? As in, when Europe discovered America? I am sure they did but were they same extent, frequency, velocity etc?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    10-16ft storm surge expected 😲

    That's going to cause widespread death and damage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,171 ✭✭✭Ms2011


    People have been told if they choose to stay to write their name, age & date of birth on their body with permanent marker so they can be identified later if need be.



  • Posts: 133 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    How can anyone know . They didn't exactly have a chance to get satellite imagery and windspeed



  • Posts: 133 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Doesn't bear thinking about. I see on Reddit people saying they are getting into bunkers as they've no where to go



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,597 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    The people who sailed into hurricanes, didn't get to sail back home.



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