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Has President Higgins overstepped the mark?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 482 ✭✭StormForce13


    Looking on the positive side, I have no doubt that a committed Gaelgeoir like Stumpy Dee will write his bestselling memoirs only in our native tongue.

    A true patriot like him wouldn't be interested in making (more) money, he'd be far more interested in being remembered in Irish History as the heroic Minister for Miscellaneous Gobshitery who fearlessly abolished Section 31 of the Broadcasting Act so we could all hear what Gerry Adams really sounds like on the RTE News.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Michael D is as canny as they come. That faux outrage has been perfected over a lifetime on the Left. He has well and truly overstepped the constitutional mark but he has correctly judged that young Simon, for all his bluster, is spineless. Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile.


    But the seeds of a crisis have been sown. Some day, a Taoiseach will guts will insist on the constitutional balance and a future President will try to retain the (now established) order.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Mary McAleese was an excellent President.

    Everyone felt proud of her because she stayed above the political fray and sought to unify, not divide.

    She and her husband were outstanding on the peace process which required tremendous instincts in a girl from Ardoyne. Culminating in the visit of Queen Elizabeth.

    Like Mary Robinson she had a lawyer’s respect for the Constitution. As we see from her subsequent battles with the Catholic Hierarchy, she never lacked conviction, she just understood the Office to which the Irish people had elected her and she didn’t attempt to self-aggrandise (the ultimate fault in our current President)

    Where will we find someone of that calibre now? Will we have a repeat for 2011 - false prophets like Norris and Gallagher fall away and the prize goes to the last candidate standing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Caquas


    You invited me to re-read this post as if it would answer my constitutional arguments. As I said the first time, you’ve got nothing but the effrontery to claim I was waffling.

    What amazed me on a second reading is your final sentence. You think I’m a Blueshirt🤪

    If you can think that after reading my post lambasting Simon Harris, I have been wasting your time and mine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,970 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Lot of anger here lately..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Caquas


    No. And mercifully none of the faux outrage we get from the Áras.

    Plenty of strong criticism plus sharp rebuttals for Cludeo's BS, but mixed with some praise for former Presidents. But that may not be your cup of poison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Caquas


    The Aras should be worried by these poll results (which the Sindo buried at the bottom of their long report).

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/poll-nation-wants-a-general-election-now-despite-government-vow-to-go-full-term-to-next-year/a1808610656.html

    People are evenly split on the first question although it is skewed in favour of the President. The key issue is not whether the President should write to his Iranian counterpart but whether he should have written in such fawning, uncritical terms.

    Let's have a poll on this question - "Was the President's right not to mention human rights in his letter congratulating the President of Iran?".

    The results on the second question is even more worrying for the Aras. The narrowest majority (51%) of respondents supported his right to participate in current political debates. Again, the question is skewed in his favour.

    How about a poll asking the fundamental, constitutional issue - "Should the President criticise Government policy in public?". Come to think of it, we will have a nationwide poll next year where this should be the central question (but we will pretend its about anything and everything else)

    Respondents were almost evenly split on whether Michael D Higgins should have written a letter congratulating Iran’s new president earlier this year, with 39pc believing he was right and 40pc believing he was wrong to do so.

    A growing number of people believe it is wrong for the President to participate in current political debates, with 41pc of that view, up from 28pc in August’s poll. A slim majority (51pc), however, supported Mr Higgins’s right to speak out, with 8pc having no opinion.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/poll-nation-wants-a-general-election-now-despite-government-vow-to-go-full-term-to-next-year/a1808610656.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,592 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Not a matter of should or shouldn't. The convention is the President doesn't comment on politics.

    Just one person's opinion anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,397 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Yes, Higgins has overstepped the mark, and not for the first time either …



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Nor the last!

    He was at it again this weekend, attacking the Israelis who responded in kind. The Taoiseach refuses to rein him in. Our troops in UNIFIL are sitting ducks and their Supreme Commander is poking the Israeli bear at every opportunity (with ne’er a harsh word for Hezbollah who murdered Seán Rooney, only sucking up to their sponsors in Tehran!)

    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/10/06/safety-of-irish-troops-being-monitored-as-israel-criticises-president-higginss-comments/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭taratee


    Said it before and I'll say it again, he needs to be reigned in. Was wondering why he was so quiet last week, so I did a bit of googling and found the below. Can we send him over to visit Charles and Camilla for a few weeks to keep him quiet?

    https://president.ie/en/media-library/news-releases/a-state-visit-by-the-president-of-the-socialist-republic-of-vietnam-announced-by-aras-an-uachtarain

    Am Yisrael Chai



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,316 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    he needs to be reigned in.

    Can we send him over to visit Charles and Camilla for a few weeks to keep him quiet?

    well that would be reigned on rather than in, no?😝



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,417 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    In a statement, just before the first anniversary of the Hamas attacks on Israel, Mr Higgins said it was “outrageous that the Israel Defense Forces have threatened this peacekeeping force and sought to have them evacuate the villages they are defending”.

    However, Andrea Tenenti, Unifil’s spokesman, on Monday said while the IDF had told the UN to withdraw their personnel from the posts close to the blue line, no threats had been made by the Israelis.


    “At the moment, they have asked us to move from certain positions,” he told RTÉ's Morning Ireland. “We have not received threats. And, again, also reminding them of their obligation to protect our bases and installations but, so far, we have not received threats.

    Higgins is either very careless with language or just plain making stuff up now.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/10/07/we-have-not-received-threats-unifil-spokesman-responds-to-claim-made-by-president-higgins-on-irish-troops-in-lebanon/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,970 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    The little lad will bring a lot of unnecessary focus on our country if he is not reined in, and fast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,365 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    the IDF had told the UN to withdraw their personnel from the posts close to the blue line

    That's a clear threat. The IDF were not asking.

    Parking up beside the Polish and Irish is also threatening their safety and making them shields.

    Mickey talks a load of bollíx at the best of times, but he spot on this one.

    It is only a matter of time before a UN soldier is injured or killed.

    The top of the UN unfortunately lack anything resembling a back bone or a conscience.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,592 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Sounds like an advisory rather than a threat. They knew there was going to be trouble in the area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,575 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,365 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Huh?

    They are mandated to be there, I know Israel like a bit of the ould land grabbing. But it isn't their land or country.

    It was a clear threat.

    How many resolutions would you like to be furnished with?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,592 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    They're at war in fairness. Diplomatic niceties tend to go out the window.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,365 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    So Israel get to threaten the UN forces there who are mandated to protect the civilian population and the border without anyone calling them out?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Some mandate! Makes a mockery of UN peacekeeping and turns our troops into hostages. Hezbollah don't need to threaten UNIFIL. They just murdered an Irish soldier and that was enough to stop UNIFIL interfering with the rocket launchers which began raining missiles down on Israeli civilians as soon as their buddies in Hamas went on their murderous rampage one year ago (which the President never condemned, even when he met families of their hostages!).

    In any case, this thread is not about Lebanon/Israel, this is about the President's constitutional role and the government's failure to assert its proper role. Once again, he has over-stepped the mark by getting into the most controversial and sensitive foreign policy area.

    Take down your copy of Bunreacht na hÉireann. Read closely Article 13.9

    The powers and functions conferred on the President by this Constitution shall be exercisable and performable by him only on the advice of the Government, save where it is provided by this Constitution that he shall act in his absolute discretion or after consultation with or in relation to the Council of State, or on the advice or nomination of, or on receipt of any other communication from, any other person or body.

    Article 28.4.1 makes clear that foreign policy is a matter for the Government.

    The executive power of the State in or in connection with its external relations shall in accordance with Article 28 of this Constitution be exercised by or on the authority of the Government.

    Therefore, the President can only act "on the advice of the Government" in dealing with foreign policy but he has staked out a role for himself in this field which is creating confusion about Ireland's foreign policy.

    Why are the Taoiseach and the Tánaiste yielding to this power-grab?

    Post edited by Caquas on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,831 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    Huh? It’s just a picture of a tank. Fake news….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭taratee


    There is no threat. Stop making things up. Andrea Tenenti, Unifil’s spokesman, has said that they have not been threatened. The IDF has asked them to move for their own safety. Hezbollah has killed Irish soldiers in the past, fyi.

    Am Yisrael Chai



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,365 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭taratee


    That's a picture of a tank. UNIFIL have said there is no threat. I'll take their word for it.

    Am Yisrael Chai



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,892 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    It’s a sad day when you can’t trust an out of context photo on the internet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Those UN forces are meant to protect both populations

    Seeing how Israelis had to leave settlements all along their own border due to constant attacks from north over these UN forces

    Someone failed to do their job



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,381 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    i'm delighted our president is calling out the israely industrial rape and murder machine.
    if israel want to land grab and slaughter left right and centre they have no complaint when they get called out.
    president higgens has been a great president for our country over all as much as i didn't vote for him personally.
    i hope he continues to speak the truth about israel and continues to call them out.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,401 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 126 ✭✭Grey123


    He is more likely to put Irish lives in danger but going off on solo runs on foreign policy rather than leaving the government and Department of Defence manage the situation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,316 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,401 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,892 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,381 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    he isn't.

    the only ones putting lives in danger are the IDF.

    they have murdered our soldiers before even though there were no comments made by anyone in authority in ireland.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,381 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭2Greyfoxes


    I think the UK will beat us to the mark on becoming the 51st state.

    Clever word play may win debates, but it doesn't make it true.

    Understanding and explaining things, is not the same as justifying them, if in doubt… please re-read this statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Yeah, "sucking up to the Ayatollahs in defiance of our Constitution" diplomacy

    Post edited by Caquas on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,381 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    it was nothing in defiance of our constitution, it was in keeping with our constitution.

    and we weren't sucking up to them.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Caquas


    In keeping with our constitution? Read my post #973

    Not sucking up? Just read his sycophantic drivel.

    Not so much as a hint about the terrible crimes of the Ayatollahs. Not even a suggestion they might go easy when lashing those women! Or that they might not string up the gays. And what a pity their minions in Hezbollah murdered that young private from Donegal. No, our President only wants to praise Iran's culture and its "crucial role" in promoting peace in the region! No wonder the Iranians put it on their Embassy website.

    Has any Irish leader ever written a more embarrassing letter to a foreigner? Normal diplomacy? What a lie!!

    Post edited by Caquas on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,892 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Condolences from the people of Ireland on the death of the former muppet.

    Oh, and the embassy for next year. I wonder who will volunteer to work there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Caquas


    No muppet was he.

    He oversaw the mass executions of 10,000 left-wing opponents of the Ayatollah.

    But repeated condolences from our President for his "tragic" death. What game is our President playing? Nothing that our Constitution allows in any case.

    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/05/iran-president-raisis-death-must-not-deny-victims-of-his-grim-human-rights-legacy-their-right-to-accountability/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,365 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,853 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Considering what happened today you'd have to think Higgins was on the money in calling out the IDF before anything serious happened to Irish troops. It's a pity he wasn't listened to by more before other UNIFIL bases were shot up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,140 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Irish gov said similar letters have been written before by previous Irish presidents to new leaders in Iran be interesting to find them…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Do you have a link for that claim? I know the Taoiseach and Tánaiste tried to muddy the waters by saying it is "normal" to write such letters but, as I said repeatedly, the problem is not that the President wrote to his Iranian counterpart - it is that he wrote fawning drivel which was not approved by the Government, which grossly misrepresents our policy towards Iran and fails to even hint at the regime's appalling abuses.

    I don't believe for a moment that Mary Robinson or Mary McAleese or their predecessors would have written a letter like this because (a) they respected the constitutional limits of their office and (b) they would puke if the Government told them to sign it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,140 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    how do know it wasnt approved by the government?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Simple - if it had been, that’s the first thing the President would have said in his own defence.

    Instead he dodged the question and tried to blame the Israelis, leading to the most embarrassing press conference by any Irish President



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,140 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    you answered your own point here https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122705481/#Comment_122705481



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Caquas


    President Higgins oversteps the mark again and in a most fundamental constitutional area.

    Yesterday, the President signed into law the Planning and Development Act 2023, an enormous piece of legislation which the Government says is aimed at fixing our dysfunctional planning system. The Opposition were strongly critical of the Bill at all stages, and especially of the speed with which it went through the Oireachtas.

    The President decided not to exercise his constitutional prerogative to refer the Bill to the Supreme Court under Article 26.1.1. However, he decided to jump into the controversy by issuing a statement yesterday which says that

    The President is of the view that, in this instance, the issue of potential unconstitutionality contained in the provisions of the Planning and Development Bill 2023 would be more appropriately tested by means of an action determined primarily on proven facts, rather than by way of an Article 26 referral.

    So the President is joining publicly with the Opposition to express his concern about the "potential unconstitutionality" of the Bill but he won't use his prerogative to get a Supreme Court judgement. His statement spells out why:

    no Court can question the validity of any legislation following a referral by the President to the Supreme Court.

    Under Article 34.3, if the Bill passed muster with the Supreme Court, it would become law and be immune from constitutional challenge. Instead, the President is inviting opponents of the Bill to bring their own constitutional challenges (at our expense!).

    I don't know if the Planning and Development Act 2023 will help or hinder planning and development in Ireland. Still less do I know whether some aspects of the Act are contrary to the Constitution. But it is an outrageous abuse of office for the President of Ireland to sign legislation into law while publicly announcing to its opponents that he has done so in order to leave the door open to constitutional challenges to that legislation.

    https://president.ie/en/media-library/news-releases/president-higgins-signs-the-planning-and-development-bill-2023



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