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Meanwhile on the Roads...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,522 ✭✭✭secman


    On my commute last night, very murky, poor visibility with heavy rain, decided to use cycle lanes for safety reasons. Coming through Citywest on the cycle lane which carried across an entrance/ exit of a housing estate. A car pulled out to turn left on to the main road and didn't stop before cycle lane, I had to brake hard and pull out on to the road to avoid collision. I got back onto cycle lane and in fairness to the driver he pulled up beside me and profusely apologised to me. Said he has to be more careful when pulling out and make sure no cyclists are coming. Said he didn't see me because he wasn't looking for cyclist. I had 2 front lights on, a flashing, to be seen light under the Garmin and a full on bright, to see light. And of course a rere bright flashing red light. Later on, I was coming back up the Lucan to Tallaght link road and as I was still on the cycle lane, approaching the slip road up from Naas road N7 a very large truck slowed up and stopped to alow me to cross on to the cycle lane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Thats interesting - am guessing what you saw happened in County Dublin.

    Had a similar thing where a bike was stolen 200 yards from Harcourt St Garda Station and I was told to go down to Pearse St to report it.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,949 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    yes - happened in NCD; the area where it happened is nominally under the 'jurisdiction' of garristown garda station, but that's only a part time station, and was closed when i reported it. balbriggan take care of garristown calls in that situation.

    i emailed the garda press office to ask was this standard practice; i received an apologetic email stating that what should have happened was the garda in ashbourne should have taken the details and passed it to a despatch office, and that they would raise the issue with local superintendents.

    the incident itself was two germans in a hire car had drifted onto the wrong side of the road rounding this bend, and hit a car coming the oppostire direction; thankfully a split lip was the worst injury i saw, but one of the cars was totalled and blocking the road.

    https://www.google.com/maps/@53.5110917,-6.3513509,3a,75y,288.49h,65.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sK1Uf1cEggWD3jCvAF2SZIA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

    the germans were saying to my wife that they were amazed no-one was shouting at them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,289 ✭✭✭RobertFoster


    RIP

    I was driving over this way this evening and was wondering about the closure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,314 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    Malahide road at Kinsealy is part of my daily commute! Shocking to hear a cyclist killed!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,190 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    Just looking at the picture on the Indo. Where exactly did it happen. It's doesn't look like the Malahide Road. Was it the road past the driving range?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,289 ✭✭✭RobertFoster


    The picture on the Indo website looks to be taken beside the Applegreen. Between there and Baskin Ln was closed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,169 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Very sad, an early morning spin and some poor soul has lost his life, could be any of us... may he rest in peace...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,080 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    09:30 on a Sunday morning. I hate the way you don't get details of how these things happened. I feel like we need to know if it was bad cycling practice or bad driving practice (or both).

    So sorry to hear it. I'm in my 40s too and try to stick to less busy roads when I can. After the Balgriffin Inn, Malahide Road basically loses its cycling infrastructure. No corner of Dublin should be left without a cycle lane.

    Rest in Peace Mr


    mod note - speculation removed; please don't suggest a possible cause.

    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,856 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeeee


    I think a 6 year old child was killed in that crash too.

    Unspeakably horrific for their families and friends.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,949 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    that was a separate incident; she died of injuries received in a crash which happened nine days ago, in westmeath.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,190 ✭✭✭✭billyhead




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,856 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeeee


    Ah OK.

    Still awful. And so utterly unnecessary



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,881 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    28 dead on the roads this year, all unnessecary tragedies.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,949 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Heading for a bad year if this continues; based on current rates we'll breach 200 fatalities. If that happens, it will be the first time since 2010.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Paddigol




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Paddigol




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,645 ✭✭✭✭Liam O


    Fwiw this looks like it worked as they filled in the side of the road there last week. It's a shame that you've to email about these things and someone isn't going around inspecting but I guess it shows they do respond when contacted.

    Now to send them one about the glass that's been on the new lanes in Baldoyle for weeks, or the ones in Swords that it was the case for a month there. Is all road/cycle lane maintenance on request? The tree roots coming through most of them would take a full email to outline all the locations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,711 ✭✭✭traco


    Thats good - I did get one email saying that works would be carried out and I also got this long winded reply which to me says they will do nothing about the narrow roads and its the reposnibility of any developer in the future to make them wider. I understand that CPO's aren't a plan but it does raise the question about sustainable development if they can't address the infrastructure in the first place to support that development.

    See below:

    Good afternoon,

    Further to your query below the A/Senior Executive Engineer, Planning and Strategic Infrastructure (Transportation Division), has reported as follows in relation to the Station Road upgrade:

     “The section of Station Road between the Station Road/R124 junction and the entrance off Station Road to the Earnan’s Wood development requires full carriageway widening and upgrading. This is a length of 180m approximately and needs to include footpaths on both sides of the road to replicate the remainder of Station Road which was upgraded previously by Developers. It will include upgrading of the R124 Drumnigh Road /Station Road junction. It will be of a similar design to what has been previously carried out on the lands bordering Station Road through developments such as the Links, Seabrook Manor, the Kilns and St Marnock’s Bay etc. Planning Permissions were granted to these Developers along the length of Station Road (except for this 180m) and they were conditioned as part of their Planning to upgrade the road & footpaths using a section of their land.  Developers on Station Road could only be conditioned to carry out footpath/road works on their own properties and therefore the road widening with associated footpaths has not yet been installed over this 180m stretch. The Planning Department cannot compel Developers to carry out works on third party private lands. The extension of the footpath and road widening for this 180m requires acquisition of third parties private properties, which the Developer or the Council do not currently hold.

     The Fingal County Council Planning & Strategic Infrastructure Department is now progressing the Station Road Upgrade Project as part of their Capital Programme. This is a full upgrade and widening of Station Road for this 180m length. I understand that the dates of the Project are as follows: their Project Procurement/Appointment of Consultants was carried out in 2023; and the Project design and Part 8 Planning process is planned to be carried out in 2024. Following this, they envisage that construction will commence on site in 2025. The construction start date is dependent on their successful land acquisition from the private householders/developers along the 180m length of roadway.  

     Whilst the Station Road Upgrade Project is being progressed, any Developers bordering the 180m stretch of road who submit Planning Applications to the Planning Department will continue to be conditioned to carry out the upgrading of this road and footpath on their respective properties.”

     Your query in relation to the R124 road condition has be referred to Operations Department.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭CoffeeImpala


    "which to me says they will do nothing about the narrow roads and its the reposnibility of any developer in the future to make them wider."

    I don't think you've read that correctly. The response clearly says

    "Project Procurement/Appointment of Consultants was carried out in 2023; and the Project design and Part 8 Planning process is planned to be carried out in 2024. Following this, they envisage that construction will commence on site in 2025. The construction start date is dependent on their successful land acquisition from the private householders/developers along the 180m length of roadway."

    To me this says they have started the process of upgrading that 180m stretch. The final paragraph is just saying that if a developer submits planning before the council have finished the work then the developer will build it at their cost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    It would be nice to see the same level of visible Garda response as happened in the aftermath of the Dublin riots but I wouldn't hold my breath. With the riots, it was very easy for society to ringfence the perpetrators - "scumbags", "feral" - in other words "not us". With road safety, the societal view seems to be that the perpetrators are just us on an "off day" - "shur, anyone could make a mistake", "there, but for the grace of god" etc. The continued "othering" of the victims doesn't help.

    Forty years ago, there was a spate of joyriding in the country. There were demands from all corners to have Spike Island prison opened up to lock all these lads away. (Birching was another popular suggestion IIRC). At the time, Senator Brendan Ryan made a very valid point - there were few, if any deaths due to the joyriding but in the same time frame, drunk drivers had killed several people. However there was no cry for convicted drunk drivers be to interned or flogged because those drivers were "respectable" members of society - accountants, solicitors, judges, priests etc.

    Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,140 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Share the road they said.

    Indo - A motorist in Co Kildare has been arrested under suspicion for driving under the influence after Gardaí noticed a pint in the car’s cup holder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,858 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    drunk woman kills a pregnant woman while running over 3 pedestrians. f**king hell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    How unfortunate that one of the absolute tiny minority of motorists who do anything wrong on the road - 'hard pressed fella jus tryna make a livin' - happened to run into one of the tiny minority of Gardai out and about who could be bothered to police RTA offences. Very bad luck.

    Or... this is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of s**te behaviour on the roads that goes uncommented and unchecked every single day. "Use the f***in cycle path!".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭Rua_ri


    Hi

    Hope the cyclist that this happened to gets to see this. If any of you know the cyclist involved here please let them know that they can contact me as a witness and that I have the driver's registration number.


    Yesterday evening in Naas I was driving behind a car that had an altercation with a cyclist. The car came out of a junction and completely cut the cyclist off . The cyclist had words with the driver and then the driver tried to use his car as a weapon and drove at the cyclist twice aggressively.

    The cyclist had to mount the footpath to avoid being run over . I hope the cyclist is ok and got home safely.

    I have the registration number of the car and I have contacted the Naas Gardai. I have given my statement to the Gardai and they have all my details. They are awaiting contact from either the driver of the car ( highly unlikely ) or the cyclist before they can proceed with this. So please don't let this slide.

    Rua



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Paddigol




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Councillors highlight ‘historically’ dangerous area outside Cork national school | Independent.ie

    So many issues, so many reasons for a proper discussion, yet we'll just plod on, business as usual.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,187 ✭✭✭nilhg


    Gobshite tried to pass two of us here yesterday

    https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.2193401,-6.9912236,3a,75y,266.63h,83.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sX6tazJYfT8DbSyqNK_5m-Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

    Came flying up outside of us, then had to slam on his brakes at the speed bump/pedestrian crossing which meant we re passed him on the left side as he slowed more than us, we were going straight over the bridge, he was on the wrong side of the road in a position where oncoming traffic couldn't see him, all to save 1 second on his journey.

    In the next 6km we had 3 more dodgy close passes, your head would be melted, at least the remaining 90km was uneventful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    We had one of those in Newcastle village a few weeks ago on a club spin... no male rage/ aggression, just a middle aged incompetent female driver who clearly hadn't a notion what she was doing. Again, luckily no oncoming traffic... it just beggars belief what goes through their minds.

    Meanwhile...

    Driver (20s) dies in Co Cork road crash as two passengers injured; cyclist (60s) seriously hurt in separate incident (msn.com)

    ... gives a very good sense of the chaos out there, almost none of which has anything to do with helmets, hi viz, two-abreast etc... but we still have to share the road with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭LeoD




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,169 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    This one is unbelievable!

    Car was stopped as the driver was carrying 4 people in the back instead of 3 and they discovered that the car's tyres were basically slicks...

    The worst thing however was that the driver had not passed their test/had a driving licence since 1992!!


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-stop-motorist-who-has-been-driving-for-32-years-without-licence/a709967333.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Paddigol




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,140 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Shows up the failure of the gardaí to be honest. How can this even happen?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    The gardai, tbf, are under resourced, with a virtually non-existent roads-policing section. Rank and file will prioritise what they're told to, and from the top (Govt.) down, even across society generally (media, typical Journal comment section contributor) there's no appetite for prioritising road policing. Instead there's a strong narrative of "hard pressed motorist", "just trying to get to work and earn a living", "businesses will die", "war on cars", "a gazzilion being spent on cycle lanes" etc. etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,559 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    We're decades behind other states in using ANPR camera's. And no demand from anyone in authority, seemingly, to introduce them and other tech based enforcement solutions. We don't even have any red light cameras in the State ffs. Fixed speed and red light camera's are in place in other States 30 years plus at this stage!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Rosahane


    I enjoy continually pointing this out on the RSA's Facebook posts which often have Gardai and vehicles wasting their time at stupid publicity stunts like driving simulators in schools, or once, pointing out the inherent dangers in driving on and off a car ferry!

    It's a waste of time though 😡



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,140 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    'National Slow Down Day is aimed at reminding drivers of the dangers of speeding.' 😃 🙄




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,360 ✭✭✭JMcL


    This, though you can IMHO add activities that are a waste of Garda time.

    I was on jury duty this week and in the one court I was in there were two guards (including a sergeant) acting as errand boys and sheparding us around. Add to that the guard that was giving testimony who was there for the duration, and multiply this by whatever number of court sittings are going on on any given day and it's no wonder there's a lack of boots on the ground.

    Fair enough, they guard giving evidence has to be there (but for the whole day?) but the other two lads could have their places taken by court staff, notwithstanding of course the need for some sort of security on site in the event that some scrote kicks off.

    It must also be disheartening for them the amount of effort that needs to go into getting a conviction given both what you say (societal "norms" etc.) and just the bar of proof required. It was an eye-opener for me I must say in that what on the face of it seemed fairly cut and dried initially fell for a lack of corroborating evidence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,352 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    AGS getting soundly hammered by pretty much all sides for this bollocks




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 41,342 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    They can't get anyting in that tweet right - the two of them aren't in Raheny - that's beside Fairview Park heading towards East Wall



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,352 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    One of the less serious issues that they got hammered for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    It's an interesting reflection on our car dependent society and the commentary around collisions involving them. The commentary in the media rarely even hints towards the reckless behaviour we see with so many young drivers that lead to these collisions. But then take the cycling fatalities and serious injuries here, its some how the cyclist that's at fault "I saw one break a red light once" or "sure they're not even insured".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,273 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Not sure which thread this came up on previously, but the brain trust were out yesterday.






  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,711 ✭✭✭traco


    Is there not regulations that dfine max permissable witdh on a road? I see trucks with wide loads and they require escorts and I believe permits but not sure if agricultural are bound by the same rules. Also not sure as an owner I'd want to be covering any distance with a rubber track on asphalt - can't imagine it does them any good.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 41,342 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I like this response to the above tweet...




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,538 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    There is, and they need lead and follow vehicles. AS many of us know over the summer, that simply does not happen and I suspect many do not actually have the appropriate insurance / tax for travelling by road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,140 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Garda Press Office talking about National Slowdown Day on Radio1 yesterday said “six collisions every hour every day last year”. 

    I assume averaging = 52,560 RTCs in 2023.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,342 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    The poor 10 year old kid who was killed on Sunday was apparently "involved in a collision" according to the radio news. Like how fast was the kid going? FFS, terrible reporting. He was child pedestrian, run down by a van in a housing estate. Still, at least the Gardai are going to crack down on eBikes and scooters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,352 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    It was an 'accident' according to the RTE News last night, which is a strange conclusion to come to when there is zero information available to base this on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭at1withmyself



    Tragically, Dylan was announced dead on Wednesday after being in the Hospital a couple of days, maybe it's not a good idea to talk about this incident when we don't know the details.

    RIP Dylan



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