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ELM327 · 02-10-2019 11:46am

unkel wrote: »

No AP?

Surely a 2016 car has AP?
AP1 yes but AP nonetheless

Obviously no AP means no purchase

EDIT: If you look in photo "2" you can see the box at the front of the nosecone for AP1

unkel · 02-10-2019 12:08pm

He doesn't mention AP in the ad, which seems strange.

I think you've already explained it to me before, but if the box is there, it means AP1 hardware is installed and AP is working by default and you don't have to pay Tesla to switch it on?

I wouldn't be too keen myself on buying a Model S without AP. It's a Tesla, you've got to have AP

Sabre Man · 02-10-2019 12:43pm

Information about the various Autopilot versions

https://www.autopilotreview.com/tesla-autopilot-v1-v2-v3-and-beyond-differences/

unkel · 02-10-2019 12:59pm

Yeah I roughly know about the different versions, but what I'm interested in is what early-ish (2014-2016) Model S sold in the UK (before AP2) had or had not AP1 enabled. I know you can recognise if it has the hardware. But is it always enabled when the hardware is there?

02-10-2019 1:04pm

unkel wrote: »

Yeah I roughly know about the different versions, but what I'm interested in is what early-ish (2014-2016) Model S sold in the UK (before AP2) had or had not AP1 enabled. I know you can recognise if it has the hardware. But is it always enabled when the hardware is there?

Answer is no for private sale cars. But the hardware is always there and therefore Tesla can conveniently enable the AP on the CPO cars before selling them.

zep · 02-10-2019 1:10pm

ELM327 wrote: »

I've waited 4 years think that's enough.
I'm going to give this chap a call later in the week too
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2016-161-tesla-model-s-70d/22931199

looks to be a CPO car. Anyone know this guy, is he a boardsie or on the Tesla Owners group on facebook (they only let actual owners in so I can't check myself!)

Just be aware that the 4 year warranty is only valid for 80,000 KM so that part is almost expired, it's at about 76,000 km now.
Does look nice but I'd wonder how often it's charged to 100% as it is in the image, not the best way to maintain the battery.
I'd also query the 1 previous owner statement as it's already registered in Ireland and a UK import :rolleyes:

unkel · 02-10-2019 1:25pm

samih wrote: »

Answer is no for private sale cars. But the hardware is always there and therefore Tesla can conveniently enable the AP on the CPO cars before selling them.

So it is quite likely that AP is not active on the car ELM327 pointed out? Seeing as the seller doesn't advertise it as having AP?

So you would have to hand Tesla €5k or something to enable it?

ELM327 · 02-10-2019 2:10pm

unkel wrote: »

So it is quite likely that AP is not active on the car ELM327 pointed out? Seeing as the seller doesn't advertise it as having AP?

So you would have to hand Tesla €5k or something to enable it?

I think it's close to 2k but yes it's potentially something to pay for.
Dont worry, if I am haggling with him we'll start from the asking price less 3k for the AP activation

I have just seen this:
https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/used/5YJSB7E23GF138004
Facelift model (does that mean AP2?) S90D. Seems cheap?

shanec1928 · 02-10-2019 2:28pm

ELM327 wrote: »

I think it's close to 2k but yes it's potentially something to pay for.
Dont worry, if I am haggling with him we'll start from the asking price less 3k for the AP activation

I have just seen this:
https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/used/5YJSB7E23GF138004
Facelift model (does that mean AP2?) S90D. Seems cheap?

gone already

copeyhagen · 02-10-2019 2:53pm

still no update on my one, customer service is ****ing ****e. they don't want my money..

ELM327 · 02-10-2019 3:26pm

shanec1928 wrote: »

gone already

It's a UK one, still shows there

copeyhagen wrote: »

still no update on my one, customer service is ****ing ****e. they don't want my money..

Wasn't it yourself that ordered from the UK site?
I'm thinking of doing the same, as you can see from my posts, seems there are massive savings to be had vs cars sold here. Of course I want to close the deal before end of month. (brexit)

zep · 02-10-2019 3:33pm

ELM327 wrote: »

I think it's close to 2k but yes it's potentially something to pay for.
Dont worry, if I am haggling with him we'll start from the asking price less 3k for the AP activation

I have just seen this:
https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/used/5YJSB7E23GF138004
Facelift model (does that mean AP2?) S90D. Seems cheap?

I'd say the price is linked to the high mileage... maybe

ELM327 · 02-10-2019 3:34pm

Yes I see that and the pathetic CPO warranty of ~10k km , but sure if I werent buying from Tesla direct there would not be any anyway.

Will be giving some serious thought tonight about taking the credit card out of cold storage for the deposit tomorrow!

02-10-2019 3:40pm

It's a really tempting car for the price ELM327. Just add another 100k on it over next 3 years and still have two more years of unlimited mileage battery/motor warranty left.

Nedved85 · 02-10-2019 3:44pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Yes I see that and the pathetic CPO warranty of ~10k km , but sure if I werent buying from Tesla direct there would not be any anyway.

Will be giving some serious thought tonight about taking the credit card out of cold storage for the deposit tomorrow!

Keep us updated

unkel · 02-10-2019 3:45pm

That's more like it. 2 year Tesla warranty with it. If you do 3k miles per year. In ELM327's case the warranty would run out in 3 weeks

KCross · 02-10-2019 4:52pm

unkel wrote: »

So it is quite likely that AP is not active on the car ELM327 pointed out? Seeing as the seller doesn't advertise it as having AP?

So you would have to hand Tesla €5k or something to enable it?

ELM327 wrote: »

I think it's close to 2k but yes it's potentially something to pay for.
Dont worry, if I am haggling with him we'll start from the asking price less 3k for the AP activation

AP1 or AP2 dont sound like they'd be worth €2k.
Apart from auto park and summon (which I'd put in the gimmick box) all AP seems to do is primarily smart cruise and lane follow assist which is standard in lots of cheaper cars now?

Is there more to it than that that would justify paying thousands for it to be enabled?

Sabre Man · 02-10-2019 4:57pm

KCross wrote: »

AP1 or AP2 dont sound like they'd be worth €2k.
Apart from auto park and summon (which I'd put in the gimmick box) all AP seems to do is primarily smart cruise and lane follow assist which is standard in lots of cheaper cars now?

Is there more to it than that that would justify paying thousands for it to be enabled?

Autopilot is great for staying in the lane. Like cruise control, once you've tried it there is no going back. It's definitely worth a few thousand euro.

KCross · 02-10-2019 5:34pm

Sabre Man wrote: »

Autopilot is great for staying in the lane. Like cruise control, once you've tried it there is no going back. It's definitely worth a few thousand euro.

Right, but its just LFA, which is becoming standard now in other BEV's. Its not a USP for Tesla anymore.

e.g. a €38k new Niro has SCC and LFA. A €28k Ioniq from 2017 has it.

unkel · 02-10-2019 5:42pm

Once you have had it, it's very hard to want a car without it.

I have just asked Tesla Ireland how much it is to have it enabled. If they reply, I'll post it back in here

Sabre Man · 02-10-2019 6:02pm

KCross wrote: »

Right, but its just LFA, which is becoming standard now in other BEV's. Its not a USP for Tesla anymore.

e.g. a €38k new Niro has SCC and LFA. A €28k Ioniq from 2017 has it.

The Lane Keeping Assist feature in Ioniq isn't quite as good as Autopilot according to Tesla Bjørn.

eddhorse · 02-10-2019 6:29pm

3D printed CCS protection / cover for Tesla Model 3
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3469219

unkel · 02-10-2019 6:36pm

Sabre Man wrote: »

The Lane Keeping Assist feature in Ioniq isn't quite as good as Autopilot according to Tesla Bjørn.

His car wasn't calibrated optimally. My own car was the same until my front windscreen was replaced and Mr Windscreen, who did a better job than Hyundai and since it has kept much better in the middle of the lane

That said, I have also driven Model S with AP1. Not only does it a better job than Ioniq, but it makes a lot more sense to me to have both systems come on at the same time and leave no choice of the level of assist to the driver

No chance I would buy a Model S without AP

copeyhagen · 02-10-2019 6:52pm

ELM327 wrote: »

It's a UK one, still shows there

Wasn't it yourself that ordered from the UK site?
I'm thinking of doing the same, as you can see from my posts, seems there are massive savings to be had vs cars sold here. Of course I want to close the deal before end of month. (brexit)

Yeah I ordered from the uk site, heard nothing since despite multiple emails

KCross · 02-10-2019 7:10pm

unkel wrote: »

No chance I would buy a Model S without AP

I thought you were firmly in the “I won’t pay for extras” camp?!

I’ll be interested what price they quote you.

unkel · 02-10-2019 7:26pm

KCross wrote: »

I thought you were firmly in the “I won’t pay for extras” camp?!

I paid extra for metallic paint on Ioniq! Once you're on these dangerous path of frivolity, there is no way back :pac:

ELM327 · 03-10-2019 7:40am

KCross wrote: »

Right, but its just LFA, which is becoming standard now in other BEV's. Its not a USP for Tesla anymore.

e.g. a €38k new Niro has SCC and LFA. A €28k Ioniq from 2017 has it.

I had it in my 171 Ioniq. A great system, and probably the best non tesla system out there (once it's set correctly)

However even AP1 is much much better.

ELM327 · 03-10-2019 7:46am

Nedved85 wrote: »

Keep us updated

so, a thing happened

:D

jarrieta · 03-10-2019 8:34am

ELM327 wrote: »

so, a thing happened :D

Awesome, that would be my ideal colour for the Model S, amazing car!! well wear

Nedved85 · 03-10-2019 8:39am

ELM327 wrote: »

so, a thing happened :D

Fantastic stuff

unkel · 03-10-2019 9:54am

You bastard! I'm not jealous. I might not be telling the truth here

Well, show us all the details, P90D???

ELM327 · 03-10-2019 10:22am

No just a regular S90D, subzero package and high fidelity sound along with "security package" whatever that is
The only option on my list that it didnt have was air suspension - but as I plan on having this over 200k km perhaps that's a positive as one less thing to break!!

Plumped for this one over the performance spec as I wasn't expecting a facelift model to be in budget.

ELM327 · 03-10-2019 10:34am

copeyhagen wrote: »

Yeah I ordered from the uk site, heard nothing since despite multiple emails

Ok, I have asked online in facebook groups and people are saying the communication is bad and then out of the blue loads of messages get sent.

I'm expecting a 2-3 week delivery timeframe.
Will be hard to keep driving the skoda now!

zep · 03-10-2019 10:55am

ELM327 wrote: »

Ok, I have asked online in facebook groups and people are saying the communication is bad and then out of the blue loads of messages get sent.

I'm expecting a 2-3 week delivery timeframe.
Will be hard to keep driving the skoda now!

Congrats... you won't regret

Same color as my own.

copeyhagen · 03-10-2019 2:22pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Ok, I have asked online in facebook groups and people are saying the communication is bad and then out of the blue loads of messages get sent.

I'm expecting a 2-3 week delivery timeframe.
Will be hard to keep driving the skoda now!

congrats dude, 3 weeks tomorrow I paid deposit. hopefully have it soon

unkel · 03-10-2019 3:17pm

ELM327 wrote: »

No just a regular S90D

I drove a '16 S90D and it was plenty fast. 0-60 in 4s, but this is a distorted figure for most EVs because of the torque and AWD you would be away from the lights quicker than any supercar

It has AP1 enabled and it is a 2016? What miles / CPO warranty and if you don't mind sharing, how much did it set you back?

ELM327 · 03-10-2019 3:34pm

unkel wrote: »

I drove a '16 S90D and it was plenty fast. 0-60 in 4s, but this is a distorted figure for most EVs because of the torque and AWD you would be away from the lights quicker than any supercar

It has AP1 enabled and it is a 2016? What miles / CPO warranty and if you don't mind sharing, how much did it set you back?

AP1, 2016, 90k miles (so very limited CPO warranty) but when the competition was all non-tesla stock with none at all every little helps!

Cost £40k + VRT so probably 50k all in, will have to colletc in UK

unkel · 03-10-2019 5:05pm

Have you driven any Model S yet?

Mike9832 · 03-10-2019 6:35pm

ELM327 wrote: »

AP1, 2016, 90k miles (so very limited CPO warranty) but when the competition was all non-tesla stock with none at all every little helps!

Cost £40k + VRT so probably 50k all in, will have to colletc in UK

Nice

Awesome machine

You can get extended warranty?

Why not a model 3?

zep · 04-10-2019 6:13am

Mike9832 wrote: »

Nice

Awesome machine

You can get extended warranty?

Why not a model 3?

Won't be able to get extended warranty, needs to be under 4 years old and 50k miles.

ELM327 · 04-10-2019 8:02am

unkel wrote: »

Have you driven any Model S yet?

Nope.

Mike9832 wrote: »

Nice

Awesome machine

You can get extended warranty?

Why not a model 3?

Not interested in the model 3 unless I got the performance version, and this was cheaper!

Choice 1 was my dream car, model X P100DL - obviously out of budget

Otherwise it is always a compromise, short range model X, CPO model S, non Tesla second hand model S performance, or model3 performance, or the relative cheapest option, model 3 sr+

I considered all of the above, but when a facelift S90D popped up in budget it was too hard to say no.

zep wrote: »

Won't be able to get extended warranty, needs to be under 4 years old and 50k miles.

unkel · 04-10-2019 8:05am

ELM327 wrote: »

Nope.

You will have the road trip of your life bringing that car back over here

Enjoy!

04-10-2019 9:33am

Great value for the spec and you still have a bit of bumper to bumper to get any potential issues looked at. And then that unlimited drivetrain warranty to get you towards that 200k mark.

As I said a few pages back sounds like a perfect combination for your use case as you don't need to be precious about the mileage going forward. Now just commit to drive this until 2024 at least.

ELM327 · 04-10-2019 9:48am

I think the high miles was actually a positive, I was only saying this to herself
When I move on in 3-5 years, I'll have added around 200k-250k km anyway so the car will always ahve "high miles"

unkel · 04-10-2019 10:45am

Plenty of very high mileage Model S in the Netherlands (hard life as Schiphol airport taxi). The early Model S had lots of quality issues, mostly sorted by the time your car was made. It's a facelift model too, is it?

I too thought that car was very decent value, particularly as it is CPO so the car will be near mint. And you know I am exceptionally critical (tight) when it comes to value for money

ELM327 · 04-10-2019 10:58am

Facelift yes that's what sealed it. Was considering the red P90D nosecone model in Yomac Cars but this being ~10k cheaper, newer and facelift sealed the deal.

Plus mine has the subzero package, the mrs approves :P

copeyhagen · 04-10-2019 2:56pm

another voicemail left, another email sent, still nothing. might tweet elon and tell him his staff are useless

ELM327 · 04-10-2019 3:08pm

I got one email from the rep in NL yesterday with a walkaround of the car, a couple of highlighted blemishes (so small that it took a while to work out where the blemish was)

I emailed back 2 times since but have had no response.

I don't mind anyway, gives me time to sort out finance etc, and think about when I can fly to the UK. In fairness we can't exactly complain when they profess to having domestic sale only!
Race you to collection day :P

The Mist · 04-10-2019 7:48pm

ELM327 wrote: »

I got one email from the rep in NL yesterday with a walkaround of the car, a couple of highlighted blemishes (so small that it took a while to work out where the blemish was)

I emailed back 2 times since but have had no response.

I don't mind anyway, gives me time to sort out finance etc, and think about when I can fly to the UK. In fairness we can't exactly complain when they profess to having domestic sale only!
Race you to collection day :P

Congratulations!! Very jealous!! I'm also potentially considering a 2nd hand model s as I have 3 dogs and children so the m3 doesn't suit.
I'd only buy cpo however, I saw 1 about a month ago I was very interested in but didn't have the balls to pay the deposit as they say domestic sale only. It seems that this not an issue however from what you're saying?

ELM327 · 07-10-2019 7:57am

The Mist wrote: »

Congratulations!! Very jealous!! I'm also potentially considering a 2nd hand model s as I have 3 dogs and children so the m3 doesn't suit.
I'd only buy cpo however, I saw 1 about a month ago I was very interested in but didn't have the balls to pay the deposit as they say domestic sale only. It seems that this not an issue however from what you're saying?

Guess we'll see, huh!
I've put the deposit down, if they cancel the sale then I'll get the deposit back and I can buy something else here. This was substantially cheaper than the nonsense prices most places charge here, so it was worth the "risk". The absolute worst case scenario is that they don't return my deposit but say I can use it on any Tesla. In which case I'll probably get an SR+ model 3. Not ideal but sure if it's meant for you it won't pass you. I've been looking on the ROI tesla inventory site and they only have new inventory stock, 80k, probably just a tick out of budget. (if it was for a model X I might have pushed it, but they are above 90)

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