Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

All name calling and no facts or substance as usual

Trump has a literal criminal record, last time around he promised a new innovative replacement for Obamacare. That never happened. He is responsible for ruining abortion rights but that's hugely unpopular with plenty of the public. His promise of ending the war in Ukraine seems to be based on a pretty questionable relationship with Putin that will lead to genocide. Then there's project 2025 which he is frightened of associating himself with. You mentioned jobs earlier but he intends to give Elon Musk a cabinet role, both him and Musk despise unions. That's gonna be great for blue collar workers.

So even if we got a very similar government to Biden's that's a hell of a lot better than the Trump fever dream that you seem to look forward to. Harris isn't gonna try to encourage greater discrimination, she's not gonna encourage hate speech or recite stories about the locals eating dogs. She's shown herself to be perfectly capable of dealing with Trump which by default means that she's far more capable of handling individuals like Putin than he is. Plus she's not the preferred leader for the likes of Putin.

The unfortunate thing is that people in the US with votes do give a **** on what skin colour their future president has and Trump is riding on the hope it's his skin colour they like and not Harris's.

It ain't all emotion reactions about whom is voted in, it's about having a reactionary one in office instead of one who takes time to think can influence their future.

Not just you, but the rest of the world, even Putin, also have an interest in who's elected president.

Ah if you have something in common with someone you tend to defend them, either that or you might be to stupid to recognise that they are a complete ****

Full on Fascist for the next 24 days.

I think it is safe to say he has abandoned his campaign team for the loons and Nazis.

Complete U-Turn in 2016 where he completely toned down the racism and lunacy for the final few weeks.

All good for Harris.

It would be a fun exercise to count the amount of posts in this thread that are about Trump vs Harris. I would guess 85% to 15%.

If that's the way the coverage goes in the US, I think that's good news for Harris as Trump has so, so, so many negatives.

I think anyone who's been following this election knows that Pennsylvania is pretty critical. I mean, it's possible to win without it, but it's a much narrower pathway.

While it's nice to see that the NYT poll has Harris up, it's more than a bit concerning that the polling averages show a small trend towards Trump.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/elections/president/2024/battleground-states

Harris was leading in the polling averages in at least four states last month, and now she's down to just one with Wisconsin. Michigan was looking safe at one stage, but Trump now nearly has a one point lead according to the polling average. However, it's important to note that this is all well within the margin of error and it's really a dead heat.

It's just that the polling trends would appear to indicate that the Harris campaign has not been able to generate the necessary momentum to get some real daylight between herself and Trump.

Two things will be needed, here. One, for all those angry young women to show up and affirm this notion that the US is really a pro-choice country. Two, they'll need to prevent any jiggery-pokery planned by the Trump team to put their thumb on the scale in the swing states. I could post the following a thousand times, and it still wouldn't be enough to underline the seriousness: -

(Michael Whatley, co-chair of the RNC)

Whatley, who embraced the former president's baseless claims of widespread voter fraud, said that the RNC "will be focused like a laser on getting out the vote and protecting the ballot," saying that they "hired election integrity directors in battleground states." Those individuals, he said, are "already recruiting and training tens of thousands of volunteers to serve as poll judges workers and observers who will act as real-time monitors whenever votes are being cast and counted."

https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2024/03/08/rnc-election-lara-trump-michael-whatley-republicans

That early voting is looking very positive for her tbh. Republicans seem to be struggling to engage with Trump, meanwhile turnout levels for Harris are seeming high.

I would be less confident. A lot of people are voting for him because of those reasons not in spite of them. It is just awkward to say out loud. I guess the end effect will be to get more of both bases out to vote.

Though I am sure people will complain when he gets no votes in Detroit after insulting them to their faces, maybe if he goes to enough cities and insults them MAGA might think twice.

Cringe moments? You are desperately trying to make something out of nothing.

Utterly unconvincing.

Meanwhile in the real world:

Trump so utterly embarrassed himself at the National Association of Black Journalists he fled the scene - as foreshadow of his current running away from debates, interviews, town halls etc.
Weird you missed that "cringe moment", you seem concerned about them.
Meanwhile Kamala Harris is on 60 minutes, she has CNN Town Hall lined up.

Trump then went on to another "cringe moment" where he was caught out in the national debate peddling race baiting lies about immigrants eating pets.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trumps-interview-black-journalists-ends-abruptly-1932829

Given the various known crimes of Donald Trump, his racist dog whistles and misogyny. I'd tend to question the moral values of anyone who is a fan of him and would happily vote for him. They're concerned about criminals if they're not American but will happily elect the orange criminal.

In fairness to Hillary she only used the phrase to describe "half" of Trump supporters, not all.😁

never said she was president- she was and is in office. And now she’s going to solve all the problems she helped create- they really must think voters are total idiots alright

Obama tries to portray himself as a man of the people.

With his 8m 8,200-square-foot home in Washington and his 15m gated mansion in Marthas Vineyard.

Or his wife charging almost a thousand dollars to listen to her waffle about her book.

Yes he has alot in common with the brothas.

I dont think the public are going to fall for the same "yes we can" nonsense now, Obama has to be one of the biggest spoofers in my lifetime.

So the Dems are hysterical?

This comes from the same people shunning Pasteurization of milk because the “Jewish Space Lazers” lady is peddling this idea. The same people who flurt with the idea of hurricanes being artificially created as an election stunt. The same people who time and again can’t grasp that 2020 was not won by the guy who proceeded to repeat lies about pets being eaten because he couldn’t handle a jab about crowd sizes.

But no…it’s the Dems who are hysterical

Absolutely.

That is the reality, he is very close to managing it. At least that's what it looks like at this point but there's so many factors that play in to that. And even if he does win, it could be because of apathy and not voting on the Dem side more than it being Trump being genuinely popular.

He hasn't won the popular vote in either election he ran in and in real terms, he got 46.8% of the vote in 2020 versus Biden's 51.3% which is a hammering in a 2 horse race but because of the electoral college less than100K votes in the other direction across key states, and he'd have been returned.

Some days, part of me thinks he's going to get annihilated in real terms, like 45% to 55% or something but other days I think, he might actually do this, ala 2016. I've gone hoarse from saying how I can't understand how he is in the race, but here we are. In real terms, I wouldn't trust him to run a 50K project or manage a team of more than 2 people but millions want to see him as President.

We'll never know for exactly how the country feels about him on the 5th of November because of the impact turn out will have on the result.

Yeah there’s been an element of not just plateau but small dip for Harris over the last 2 weeks- I’m encouraged by Trumps extremist rambles now coz that means he’s worried but still, there could well be a glass ceiling here yet - first ever woman president and ethnic to boot -it was never going to be an easy race -and whist economy getting better it could have been a bit better a bit earlier.

She hasn’t done much wrong but there’s bound to be a small percentage of people who just won’t vote for her either based on her gender or her ethnicity - I think that MAY explain why she’s not further ahead of Trump - hate to say it but if male and white I think she’d likely have all but won at this point - her presidency rests with ethnic minorities and women in my view- if they would just start to become a bit more passionate of just what she is on the cusp of achieving, it would get her over the line.

Seems people think Trump is a bit better for the economy if that's true it's a big issue to have in his favour.It really is too close to call and it looks like it will stay that way .I am a bit disappointed that KH hasn't being able to put some daylight between herself and Trump which I thought might happen even if she isn't that good a candidate. It still is quite astonishing to me that so many people still support Trump with all the evidence that he is totally unsuitable for the role out there for all to see .

Yeah, security and economy, Trump has led on these two aspects from early on in this battle - whilst I think the gap has closed ( just haven’t seen latest stats) I don’t think the overall position has changed- Harris would have benefited from a “much improved” economy had it occurred 6 months ago as issues such as supermarket prices and lower interest rates etc would have meant a good lead in period of more money in peoples pockets giving a better overall feeling - and “feelings” mean a hell of a lot in presidential elections.
As for Trump and his support, well I think only historians will be able to explain that in years to come but good luck to them if even they can 🤪

“When we think about what’s at stake in this election – well it’s packed with some stuff! Some fundamental stuff! *cackles* I say rather articulately.”

Kamala the oracle orator speaks

"Kamala the oracle orator speaks"

"They're eating the dogs"

Exactly! I want Trump to win, but if he comes up short, I’ll still sleep like a log. If he looks like winning early in the night, I’ll most likely crack open a bottle of Taittinger.

This just tells us how poorly informed you are on the topic.

People went to bed the night of the election with him in the lead but as postal counts came in over night (as normal) he lost that lead (as expected).

Both of them are narcisstic spoofers, neither is a man of the people.

Both showmen, both full of hot air, albeit Barack is far more refined and polished.

I wouldnt trust either of them as far as I'd throw them.

They arent that different.