car dealer wants to sell without NCT

What type of car Make and Model

Will it come with a warranty with no NCT?

Have you inspected it to know off hand from a start what it will certainly need to pass the NCT, items like bald tyres, cracked windscreen or lights, damaged sharp body panels, warning light etc.

Car dealers are the NCT centre's best customers. They send lots of cars through the NCT every day so get accommodated for appointments and slots more than average joe public. I don't buy into the excuse that the dealer doesn't have time to NCT it, they can drop cars down to the NCT and let them sit there until a no show slot becomes available or the test lane is free.

I get the feeling this dealer probably took the car in as a trade in, then realised there is an underlying problem with it and now realises it will not pass the NCT without alot of money needed to be spent on it. They have it now priced low to shift it quickly and let the buyer gamble on it passing the NCT. Dealers are not charities and don't sell cars on the cheap for no reason.

If they're not willing to spend €55 to earn an extra €2K to €3K you'd have to ask yourself, why?

Don't stop!

As said a car dealer can walk into NCT centre and get a car tested anytime.The last car I bought had no NCT until I decided to buy it.I collected the car the next day with a full pass NCT.The next NCT passed again.Never a problem with the car.

Don't stop running away.

Ya nct means feck all but a dealer refusing to nct and selling 2 to 3k under normal retail means a hell of alot.

Imagine what it will cost a customer at retail garage prices to repair if the dealer is happy to sell at such a discount..…and that assuming its not total heap that is a badly repaired write off or something that won't pass a test.

Probably a lemon BUT if you know a decent mechanic who knew his stuff and had the equipment to do an NCT level test on the car it may be worth a punt. if it turned out the car was okay you could low ball the hell out of the dealer and get an absolute bargain.

It would need to terrible if 3k of a garages money wouldn't get it through a test.

This would lead me to believe that perhaps there is an other expensive fault like an auto gearbox fault or something like that and dealer will attempt to get it sold as seen no test, no warranty.

There Is a Citroën c4 seven seater that fits the bill on donedeal.

So no warranty and no NCT on a 10 year old Citroen stuck in the back of a dealer's yard that might also need a timing belt? And he wants 6k for this car? Genuinely, is this thread a windup because all I see is someone blinded by a price.

I think going down to you local casino and putting the 6k on a roulette table would be less of a gamble.

It may well be a bargain but I don’t think OP is the right person to take it on.

OP There are an abundance of very reliable 7 seater petrols and hybrids coming in from Japan in the past few years so I suggest you look at one of those instead. You’ll find one with a fresh NCT.

I really don't get all the posts saying 'run a mile' when the dealer has clearly offered to sell the OP the vehicle with NCT for the corresponding market price. It's really not that uncommon for a dealer to initially offer a trade in as a 'trade sale', especially older ones where they might not want to bother with prepping it or sending it to auction straight away.

OP, the dealer is actually being very up front with the options available to you.

You're being offered a clear choice of a 'trade sale' price with no NCT/warranty for €3k 'under' market value or paying the full market dealer price for a car with NCT.

If you want the best of both worlds and expect to get a fully dealer prepared NCTed car for €3k under market value, that's not going to happen.

To answer your question 'Is it worth buying a 10 year old 7 seater without NCT if it's sold at 6k which is 2-3k cheaper than other listing??' Yes, it can be very worth it if you know what your looking at and are prepared to take a chance on it, however if you don't really and are presumably looking a dealer cars over private sales for that reason, it's probably best to avoid 'trade sales'.

So if you really want that car, just tell him you want it NCTed/warrantied and negotiate a price with him based on that.

EDIT: I missed the 7 seat description and was looking at the wrong ad, this actually isn't a 'trade sale', is overpriced for what it is and there's better value out there for the OP as I posted below.

Everyone seems to assume that €3k is all profit in his back pocket, this dealer looks legit so by the time you take all of the costs and all of the taxes out the work involved to get that extra €3k, it's gonna be a lot less than that and not much more than he might make from just trying to flip it quickly in the trade for a minimal profit without all the hassle.

This dealer has 43 cars up at the moment, so multiply all that cost and effort of prepping them all and potentially having a notional extra €30k+ expense sitting there on your lot for little or no gain, depreciating every day.

It seems from a quick glance that anything newer gets prepped and anything approaching 10 years or older is left as a trade sale, and I really can't blame him for that. At €4250 we're talking about the cheapest 2014 C4 on DD including private sales that's clearly marked as a 'trade sale' so I don't see why people are expecting the 'full dealer' treatment automatically.

And the OPs figures aren't that accurate either, after checking it's actually only €1700 in the difference between this cheapest 2014 C4 and the next dealer with an NCTed one of same mileage asking €5950.

OP should probably just go for that one if they don't want the 'trade sale' option.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/citroen-c4-2014-1-6-hdi-airdream-exclusive-auto/38060812

Edit:just copped that the €4250 one isn't the car the OP meant and wasn't a 7 seater, but I'll leave the post up as the linked one is still better value for OP.

These guys are a Suzuki main dealer with a fairly good 4.5 Google review so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that they just couldn't be bothered with all the hassle for such a minimal return and just didn't want to be so blunt with the OP over the phone.

I've been in that situation as a buyer, interested in a older non NCTed car that might need a little bit of work that a dealer doesn't care about and is actually just a hassle for them, given the keys for an unaccompanied test drive and gotten the car for less than half the asking. I'd bet if anyone went down to them lads with €2k cash they'd drive out in that car.

But I think we can all agree this isn't the car for the OP.

EDIT: I missed the 7 seater description in the OP so this isn't the garage the OP was talking about so I was looking at the wrong ad, looking at the actual ad I would agree with your assessment of the situation.

So my question is if this is a little gem just in need of a bit of TLC/money spent on it and is being sold as a trade sale, then why hasn't the trade flocked to buy it? The dealer won't even move the car out for the OP to have a proper look and drive of it. Surely a small time motor trader or self employed mechanic would see the bargain in it and snap it up already? Why is it being offered this way to the OP who is obviously not in the trade? If the trade are passing on it or it hasn't it been offered to them then why?

There are many alarm bells going off here for me and I'm not in the trade. Those on here in the trade may be well used to buying cars in these situations because they know their beans and that is the territory why work in but the OP doesn't come across as being in the trade and just seems to be fixated on the price. Sorry but paying 6k for a pig in a poke just is too much of a gamble imo. BTW there is a 2014 C4 Grand Picasso on donedeal being advertised by a dealer in Mayo for just over 7k that has an NCT until next May 2025 so even taking the NCT out of it, 6k is too much money for what you can be sure needs more money spent on it as soon as you take it home.

On a side note, can a motor dealer legally sell a trade sale to joe public as a true trade sale as I'd imagine the SOG act would still apply here to the OP who is not in the motor trade irrespective of what way the car is being sold to them?

No, sorry, crossed wires, I thought by the description you meant this one and didn't cop the 7 seater description.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/citroen-c4-2014/36821684

The previous NCTed one I posted would seem to be better value than the one you're looking at.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/citroen-c4-2014-1-6-hdi-airdream-exclusive-auto/38060812

The one OP is looking at is automatic which is why the price is so enticing. The cheapest 2014 automatic on Donedeal is €10k. That being said I still don’t think OP should buy it as they are clearly not experienced enough to take it on.

And I don’t think the dealer can sell a car with no warranty no the public regardless of the terms & conditions of the sale. I guess that would actually work in OP’s favour but again I still don’t think they should buy it.

Edit: Maybe there are cheaper automatic ones than €10k, I was looking in the C4 Picasso section of Donedeal, seems there are a few more in the C4 section?