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Election to be called Fri - predict outcome

  • 16-10-2024 5:32pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 98 ✭✭


    I think it will be FF/FG again with god knows who. Hopefully a left wing party

    It will be November 15th



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭extra-ordinary_


    Yeh…another FFG government. No credible alternative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,874 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Who said election will be called Friday?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭JVince


    It won't be called Friday.

    Finance bill still needs some time.

    Some other bits of legislation too, but considering it near certain FF/FG coalition for the next 5 years, they may decide it better to have them ratified in the new term, thus election call Thursday 24th just before the bank holiday and election Nov 15th as predicted by the Bookie himself last June https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/ivan-yates-predicts-november-15th-general-election-date-1639167.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 98 ✭✭Joe286


    I really don't want both FF and FG back in power. They are essentially the same party.

    SF on their own would be a disaster. Too populist plus still haven't apologised for 30 years of violence.

    But I'd like to see them with FF or FG because they would be more reform leaning



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,943 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    FF/FG probably with no Greens



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 98 ✭✭Joe286


    It's is important to eat your greens. Think it through..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭davepatr07


    Just in response to last post.....FF/FG (and hopefully no Greens)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 98 ✭✭Joe286


    It's well to recall the last election and what was expected. I do not think SF will surge again but others might



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,706 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    It’s interesting to see that the Tanaiste Michael Martin seem to be finally leaving the door open to a late November/early December election if the finance bill can go through quickly. Also, a trade mission to Poland set for October 28th has been cancelled.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 603 ✭✭✭Shan Doras


    II think FG=FF will do even better than expected and have about 47= 51 seats each, Micheal Martin will Taoiseach for Christmas. Simon Harris will be Taniste and Minister for Finance for 2.5 years. Pascal Donohue will go to Justice



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,706 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    so you think FF and FG will likely have 47-51 seats EACH ? That’s optimism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 98 ✭✭Joe286


    FF and FG will need a third wheel. They won't have a majority on their own.

    While Harris is a better campaigner than Leo he will struggle over the health and housing services

    Why anybody thought Leo was a good leader to put in place was beyond me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,975 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    well you see it’s not just what you want , it’s not what you want. It’s what the majority of people want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,975 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    I wouldn’t be so optimistic , lots of sitting TDs not going for reelection



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,195 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    It will be a FF/FG government again propped up by independents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,760 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    It'll be a FG/FF coalition folks.

    No other combo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    If they are both essentially the same party, why would you want one in power but not the other?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Progress is being made on housing and with the planning bill now approved, the number of homes being built will rise further.

    40k to 50k new homes per year from 2025 is on the cards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 969 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    This 100%, the Greens are going to be annihilated and SF are in freefall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭Augme


    Houses prices rose by 10% in the last year. People's wages and disposal incoming certainly ain't raising at that rate. It's going to be a long time, unless a serious crash happens, before houses become affordable for the average person.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    House prices outside of Dublin are relativley affordable for a couple on average income of circa 90k.

    The more we build, the cheaper they will become and FFG are building more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 98 ✭✭Joe286




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 98 ✭✭Joe286


    Yes and the avg voter is an idiot. 1977. 2002 to name but two examples



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    SF in power with FFG? That would be something to see alright.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 98 ✭✭Joe286


    I suppose though that's unlikely. SF with either FF or FG unless one of the civil war parties implodes.



  • Posts: 133 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Please tell me there won't be a green TD left with a seat.

    If they call it now SF are decimated as well. Lots of would be voters will change their mind



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭CarProblem


    if the current government isn't left wing enough for you I'd maybe suggest North Korea as an alternative place to live



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,338 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Martin should be safe, Hourigan might be safe; the rest are very very uncertain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,874 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    The Greens are a small player in the government with no ability to implement anything without the support of the major players

    They have known since day 1 they are been blamed for stuff they never done, they would never get into government again

    Have managed to implement most of the stuff they said they would do for their voters

    Like most small parties the population turns against them once they are in government and kicks them out. Has happened to all the parties, will the population ever learn? no chance

    Another small party will join probably this government, they will spend 5 years been blamed for everything and come next election will be kicked out.



  • Posts: 133 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You didn't tell me😃.

    Hopefully they'll be gone , theyve done nothing positive with this country and only left us all worse off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,975 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    If the Greens did a quarter of what they are credited with, they would be by far the most effective and hard working party in the country.

    Lots of things that they are blamed for is coming from EU directives or other parties.

    What have the greens done that upsets you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭Dont Be at It


    Couldn't agree more. I don't get the seemingly widespread hatred of the Greens. They've done some great work over the past few years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,482 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    It will almost certainly be a Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil coalition. They will dispense with the Greens (if any are left after the election).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,341 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    FFG + indies/smaller third party.

    Another five years of this rotating Taoiseach lark and so on for the foreseeable future until a real alternative emerges that doesn't have a tainted history (SF) and isn't a collection of assorted leftovers or rabid 'silent majority' types.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,409 ✭✭✭combat14


    the greens are almost univerally despised for their tax anything that moves besides donkeys and carts approach to climate issues they are all stick and no carrrot

    many perceive them to be affluent based dubs with absolutely no understanding of rural ireland and the sheer lack of reality that there are damn all public transport alternatives available

    this is the stuff greens salivate over:

    Tax on Europe’s frequent flyers could raise €64bn a year – study

    Levy rising by €100 for each return flight after the first in a year could cut emissions by 21%, report says

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭JVince


    That is probably a positive for this election.

    People want to see new faces but also like the security of what we currently have.

    So new faces for fg and ff supported by the current sitting td is a win win



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,243 ✭✭✭Patser


    FF, FG and SDs is my prediction - a lot of people are going to be turned off on this election due to lack of alternatives, but will also be resistant to just letting FF and FG back in yet again. With SF struggling, it's now or never for SDs to step up as alternative - and FF/FG would much rather have another party in coalition with clear price tag/requests than 20 odd Independents.

    I can see the Left vote fracturing up a lot - a lot of independents gaining from Green or SF voters - so mathematically after the election, it would probably be possible to have a SF, SD, Lab, Ind, PBP government but that'd be like herding cats.

    Outside chance that FF go in with SDs and SF and ditch FG. FG would actually probably like a term in opposition, watching an assortment of others trying to be stable, but FF and FG have been so polite to each other and honoured pretty much all their deals that's its unlikely that alternatives would look as attractive



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,146 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    It is almost certain that it's going to be FF/FG and i'm going to say Soc Dems as the third wheel. I really hope the greens aren't involved. Martin is safe i'd assume. Is Pippa Hackett running? She may have a chance if so. ROG is surely a gonner. Anyway, not gonna waste too much of my breath on them.

    Indies will do well and who knows what SF will end up with. It's probably safe to assume MLMD is on her last legs unless something miraculous happens



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,766 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    My ideal scenario is FF and FG winning enough seats so that the best option is to go into collation with each other and no one else and not be in a position for either of them to go into collation with anyone else.

    We need a strong centre right government than doesn't have to pander to anyone on the left or single issue independents



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,294 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I'd love to see a FF-FG only government. It would speed up the process of these two becoming one.
    I wondering though if there is a further rise in the polls for FG will they try and put clear blue water between them and FF. There is bound to be members in both parties who have pride in the legacy of their party. With SF no longer a threat it could be interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 98 ✭✭Joe286


    I would not rule out ROG..

    The greens did improve public transport



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,146 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    The people of Blanch and surrounding area's are not voting him back him. Not a hope



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 98 ✭✭Joe286


    Why would anybody want to see this exact government back in power? Because you love paying 65 euros to see a doctor? Because you love waiting 12 hours in A and E

    Because it took them 12 years to reform planning?

    There is no easy solution to either the housing or health crisis but obviously the people hoping for the governments re-election are not sick and have private health insurance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Most likely a return to the same/similar.

    A lot of people are delighted with SF's recent trouble and the thought of them losing a rake of seats, I'd be worried though that this may allow some of the right wing head the ball parties to get a foothold and start to make ground. Regardless of who gets in, I really hope that doesn't happen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,726 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Being blamed for everything has a bit of merit in relation to the pattsie Roderic but still you can't defend him,Cartin Martin who went into hiding during the RTE scandal or indeed Ryan himself who is a decent sort but utterly clueless of reality.

    Independants will be the big story (along with the hilarious collapse of SF) of this election.

    I wonder is it possible if FG do really well to form a government with a big number of independents and move away from FF?

    Then FF could have a few years in opposition figuring out their identity.SF could then slip back to their natural level of fighting it out with SDs and Labour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,726 ✭✭✭HBC08


    No chance the SDs are in government.

    The SF vote collapsed because it wasn't representative of the general publics view on immigration (their more recent woes is just the final nail)

    The SDs would be even more at odds with the majority view on immigration,they won't be near government in my life time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,338 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    In the Fingal area of his constituency in June, the Greens were outpolled by FF, FG, SF, Labour, Soc Dems, PBP and even fecking Aontu. He could come embarrasingly far from a seat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭csirl


    SDs and Greens (and Labour) are essentially the same party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,104 ✭✭✭Genghis


    I think FF and FG have a fair chance of forming a coalition with no other support, they are more cohesive than in 2020, i.e. they will gain transfers between them, they both did well in local and Euros earlier in the year, not to mention their main alternative (SF)) is in turmoil.

    If a third wheel small party is required for security, I would like to see Aontu, though they will need 3-4 more seats minimum. Aontu could pick up some SF disillusionment votes in some area but maybe a breakthrough for them is a long shot.

    I think a small number of independents from the FFG gene pool is more likely.



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