Changes in the GAA - super thread

Yeah, and it seems like the correct amount to give for those type of points from play. three of them would be the same as two goals which seems about right to me.

And as far as I see it people seem to want to see more long range shooting in football (judging by comments online) and people's reaction to them being scored at games.

Plus you would think it would be fairly easy to ref just have a clear two point marking on the ground at the defined area (s) on both side of the pitch. Maybe dye in the grass or something as well as a line?

Amazed it has not been tried the more I think as you think it would be a fairly obvious thing to do.

It would not change the game radically slowing it (like the advanced mark has - which backfired) 2 points for a long range point seems like just enough of tweak to make teams less constantly defensive. The team without the ball should be forced to engage more.

I am filled with hope that Jim Gavin will get rid of that "Advanced Mark" with Jarlath Burns on the football review committee.

Because back in April 2021 Gavin said of the Advanced Mark:

"I think that was the wrong step"

He went further worried that if more Aussie Rule type changes were made Gaelic Football basically would be Aussie Rules in all but name.

"We’re only one rule away from the game becoming Australian Rules on a rectangular pitch.

"If we introduce tackling, as in a rugby tackle, what difference is there from Aussie Rules? You can call a mark from a kick-out, call a mark both offensively and defensively once it’s kicked into the scoring zone. You introduce an Aussie rules tackle, what's the difference?"

Football

Div 1 league all star team

Div 2 league all star team

Div 3 league all star team

Div 4 league all star team

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Then all four "teams" play each other in a knock out open draw competition abroad or in Ireland, televise it and jazz it up. I’m Would be a great pre season competition to have in New York or somewhere like that.

Watching the likes of Sam Mulroy for Louth play superbly (as usual) in a div 2 league game v Kildare annoys me. Knowing full well what a good player he is having seen him basically take on the Dubs on his own. But he will never get within an asses roar of an all star.

They also want club players, ie 99%, to be playing more big games in summer so whats wrong with that?

How would you structure entire year club and county then?

There is a reasonable argument for having the provincial championships before the league. If provincial winners only qualified, teams would have a clear picture of the league places that would offer a route to the All-Ireland.

11 league qualifiers, 4 provincial winners from the spring and 1 Tailteann winner should make up the All-Ireland 16. As an incentive for winning provincial championships and each respective division, the 4 provincial winners and the 4 winners of each division should be rewarded with an extra home game in the group stage of the All-Ireland and/or Tailteann. There can only be two teams per group with an extra home game. For groups with vacant extra home game spots, luck of the draw can be used.

Both the All-Ireland and Tailteann should be a straightforward matter of seeding teams based on league placing. League after provincial championships and before All-Ireland/Tailteann group stage shouldn't need league finals. If Division 4 counties want access to Croke Park, the conversation should be around establishing a Tier 3 championship. Ideally the Tailteann final and a Tier 3 final would both be curtain raisers to All-Ireland semi-finals. Both running in parallel with the All-Ireland series but with only half the teams each, finishing up at the All-Ireland semi-final stage.

It would be mental putting 15 div 4 ayers against 15 div 1 players. Better off having each county nominate their best 2 players, then conducting a draft pick with 4 managers to pick 4 different squads. Would be a decent mix of players across all 4 divisions in each teams and should be competitive

There would be zero appetite or time in the calendar for this though I'd say

Jarlath Burns is suggesting All-Ireland finals could return to September. Basic template would be intercounty from end of March to end of September. Club from October to emd of March. Basically moving the current timeframe to two months later.

ALTERNATIVE CROSSOVER:

County leagues are played during intercounty championship. Intercounty leagues could be run during the provincial club championships and All-Ireland club championships in February and March.

Provincial championships can remain as they are in April and the beginning of May.

There should be a reasonably spaced All-Ireland championship then from the end of May to September. Any format that suits the majority with promotion and relegation. Basic suggested split is 12:10:10.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0611/1454165-trial-games-with-new-football-rules-set-for-weekend/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR29U3kpR86-YZzzG0OI_H4hIfhvjNeeTmWhxd_kz9cFTggUOGKqIAVe4fY_aem_ARaZ-7udTlwGvjPEmuGCh5nIDV_FV7H9kgTT8VaES3wgRNMjEEyCf1u_oz0p2hJiqQKerRhw9xhDUX37xKstuXIW

Not a fan of many of these proposals.

Pretty pointless trialing some of these in non competitive games, especially the 2 and 4 point rules.

Why?

What competitions should they trial them in then?

Because you cant replicate actual competitive game conditions in these trials. Fine for trying out technical adjustments to rules but what are we going to learn from having 4 points for a goal or 2 points for a long distance point in games like these??

I specifically am just talking about the 4 pt goals and the 2pt long distance kick, what are meaningless games going to show in thsi regard with players playing treating it as a trianing match?

Talk of a 3rd tier brought in for football. It should be easy to implement and it's a great idea. It would remove the one big negative with the Tailteann cup. Half the teams (div 4 sides) don't realistically have a chance of making the final.

I believe the Tailteann cup is 4 groups of 4 where the top 2 go into quarter finals?

Simultaneously the bottom two should go into quarter finals for the 3rd tier. They can play their final before the other senior semi final which would be a great day for say Leitrim Vs Carlow or whatever the combo.

The GAA in early stages of this change but I hope it happens. 3 tiers is perfect you'll never need a 4th.

In doing so you would only make it more difficult to score if there is any sort of wind as the ball would be more susceptible to cross-breezes.

Well the championship format is not going to change for 2025 but there is a proposal to be put to Congress in Feb 2025 to change to a knockout championship in 2026 involving the provincial finalists, the highest 7 remaining league teams and the TC winner.

There is also a proposal to bring provincial finals to replays instead of going to penalties after ET of the first game.

List of proposed rule changes -

https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/1009/1474500-running-the-rule-proposed-changes-to-gaelic-football/

First reaction the likes of Armagh are f**ked if they become rules, good job for them they won Sam last year.

Jayus that was one of my favourite ones encouraging fellas like Fenton to have a cut. Was my first thought.
Was a bit disappointed the advanced mark was not scrapped all together.

Two players contesting throw in was something I never considered, seemed clever solution to slowing of game

That is only an arbitrary line though, they had to draw it somewhere. It will at least encourage more shots. personally I think most of the 2 point shots taken will be a bit further out than an actual 45m, as player's play for it and practice it.

Keepers will be practicing it as well.

Completely discourages teams funnelling back/not engaging oppostiion, also makes opposition more careful not giving silly 45's away.

Maybe a compromise would be a 2 point from play beyond the arc, and 1 point from a free?

Im all for the 4-2-1 scoring but I can't wait for the first day some team win with a 2 pointer that is right on/over the line.

The place will over the top lose it's collective mind.

It will be no different to the million other times a team wins because of human error.

But because it's a new rule the outrage will be turned up to 11.

Yes. As far as I'm aware its a visible arc. But we'll find out on Friday.

Running the rule - Players on which change excites (rte.ie)

it’ll be like in soccer when you’re looking to win a corner, you’d near be looking to win a 45 because it’s worth two points.

You could be coming in across the end-line saying: 'I hope this doesn’t get fisted over the bar.’ You’d prefer it to hit a man’s knee, go out for a 45, and Seánie O’Shea comes up and taps it over.

Does it change the one-on-one defending because a defender could be thinking ‘I’m actually OK if he scores a point’ because the penalty for flicking the ball away for a 45 as his opponent solos will be even worse.

I think outside the arc should be from play only.

I fully agree with this piece - 2 points for scoring a 45 is too much of an advantage for nothing IMO.

No it's not about dominance it's about teams figuring out that possession and 15 men behind the ball is the best tactic. It's about a professional level of fitness.

I don't think we need loads of new rules but definitely ones to combat "parking the bus". I know football hasn't officially gone professional but it is facing many of the same problems both rugby union and league had and they changed many rules to counteract.

we would never have seen the likes of Jack McCaffrey and Lee Keegan bombing up the pitch kicking big scores in all Ireland finals of this was the case

So

No