Israel are going to start WWIII

It may have been approved at a high level that doesn't always mean it's the wisest decision. I thought with the picture in the rubble it was enough to prove who it was. I think there calculation with the video was to convey the message that this is your fate if you take up arms against Israel.

Whose they? Respected journalists within Israel could confirm the death if they were shown, as can international journalists from around the globe. Some from neutral countries, some from Arab countries who would distrust Israel etc…

Rumors around Bin Laden only lasted for days (excluding the conspiracy theorists), Al-Qaeda confirmed the death 4 days later.

I'm talking about Israel, not Gaza or Lebanon. His body is in Israel, are you saying Israel would be hostile to journalists they invite into Israel to view the body? There's plenty of journalists reporting from Israel already.

Theres an article on guardian.co.uk , comment. Its absolutely horrific they are destroying All the infrastructure in Gaza not just buildings Gaza is like a prison apart from there's a fair chance civilians will get bombed or shot

They tell people move to area x people are I'll and tired of being moved around

Yes it's hard to search buildings that might contain bombs or booby traps

But the IDF have access to advanced technology

but simply bombing hospitals and churches is not a fair solution it seems they ,ll defeat hamas by starving them and making Gaza totally unliveable

I think most experts would say what the IDF is doing is genocide

There seems to be no attempt to avoid killing innocent civilians women or children

Why do you think the Israelis are doing things this way? I'm curious to hear any theories because I doubt it has changed any opinion s on the ground.

The 20,000 or so dead children didn't vote for them 18 years ago but I guess they got what they deserved as far as you're concerned, they were just Arabs anyway so they're guilty of that if nothing else in your warped worldview.

there will be no journalists allowed in the Israel, they might spread the truth

Seriously ? You have two choices, die or die. What would you choose?

Hamas being an instrument of the Iranian regime, who orchestrated the attack knowing full well that Israel would over react and turn Gaza into a land filled with ruin and death. The aim of that which was to throw a big spanner in the peace process that was gaining great momentum between Saudi Arabia and Israel.

Now we have what seems to be a forever war.

Even if Hamas and Hezbollah were destroyed, another terrorist group would take their places.

This is a conflict that will only end if Israel were not there, but Israel is there, and should be there.

So peace is not obtainable in that region. It is a forever war... which the industrial war machines are quite happy with I imagine.

So the Jews expelled from Turkey and various places around the Middle East are not relevant to any of this? I mean, it seems to me you're picking just the departure of Arabs from Israel when in fact there were multiple crossover population movements following the break up of the Ottoman Empire. What you're doing is like saying that the descendants of Muslims in Pakistan who arrived there during and after partition are entitled to their land in India, and to murder random Indian civilians if they don't get, but that Indians who fled Pakistan have no equivalent rights.

Not to mention the fact that many of the Arabs who left did so at the instigation of their own side, who told them that this would leave the way clear for the Arab armies to destroy the Jews, and that they would come back after the inevitable victory.

And unlike most* of the rest of the former Ottoman Empire, from which non Muslim minorities have now almost disappeared, Israel has a 20% Arab minority who are well-represented at all levels of the state. Compare that to Gaza, where local employees even in the christian NGOs were nearly all Muslims, because the local authorities would not cooperate with Christians.

• *Lebanon being the exception - but then it was created to be the "Christian majority" state, with all the others being set up as Muslim majorities. What a coincidence that the only other state that is tolerant towards its minroties is the "Christian" one. Mind you, look how well that's worked out for Lebanon.

It's a matter of timing, Hamas want to take the population of Gaza with them, for their own religious reasons and much of the populace of Gaza are willing to help in that

They think now that the hostages shot in September where with him but were killed when moving them became so difficult, his fate was sealed. Like his sister who he had killed for having an extramarital affair, according to his faith.

He himself killed people just because they were gay.

I know you are not saying it but there are a lot of people online in this country making out he was Gandhi and Che all in one and I'm frankly shocked

Oh wow. I didn't realise you were on the ground in Gaza performing interviews amongst Gazans in refugee camps about this.

Fair play.

When small children were brought into Gaza, several without their mothers, and nobody was willing to help have them freed, even by an anonymous phone call, and the older children when released told of having been beaten by ordinary Gazans when they arrived, I don't think the real problem is desperation, it's brainwashing into blind hatred.

Have you seen or read anything from Mosab Hasan Yousef, the son of a Hamas commander who defected to Israel, describing how they are taught to hate Jews and to long for "martyrdom"?*

And yes I know the reply will be "But the Israelis" and I know there's some truth to that - but it's a whole other level. Shani Louk's dead body was paraded around Gaza for ordinary Gazans to spit on. She wasn't a soldier, she was a German tourist who was at a music festival FFS. Meanwhile, the corpse of Sinwar, who is no doubt the most hated man in Gaza (for Israelis) because of his actions, was treated perfectly normally. It's a small thing, but typical. There's a personal hatred there that is not about personal suffering - it's deliberately taught to the children, including in the UNRWA schools.

That's why it's relevant when a teacher is found to have been one of those who crossed into Israel on Oct 7th - because for every one who did so and was caught, there will be many others who didn't actually do it, or else wasn't caught, but supported it, and will have been teaching that to their pupils.

That's also why peace activists on the Israeli side were sometimes betrayed by so-called peace activists they had been cooperating with in Gaza, who gave their phone numbers and even information about their homes etc to Hamas to use during the attack. Same with workers from Gaza who had been employed in the kibbutzim - notes were found like "he has a dog that barks but won't bite". The level of hatred among ordinary Gazans, pre Oct 7th, is comparable only with the most extreme right wing Israeli settlers - but they weren't attacked on Oct 7th. Which doesn't send a very peaceful message to Israelis.

It's probably been pointed out before, but Sinwar was known as the Butcher of Khan Yunis, not for killing Israelis, but for killing Gazans.

It's really odd that the people saying that aggression from Israel will only create a new generation of haters never seem to apply the same logic to violence from Hamas against Palestinians.

Almost as though that's not the cause of the hatred at all, and they know that. They're just excusing it.

Jesus Christ.

Very difficult scenes. An Israeli drone targeted a child with live ammunition on a street in northern Gaza, and when citizens gathered to rescue and help him, they were directly bombed.

How can the defenders of the IDF twist the narrative of something like this to blame the victims? Was the child in Hamas? Were the good Samaritans who came to help them secret jihadis.

Somebody in the IDF. Some twisted sadist watched that scene via a drone and made the decision to not only fire a rocket at that injured child but they did so after waiting for people to come to his aid.

Pure Evil.

I saw this earlier and was going to post it but decided not to because I couldn't stomach the potential 'but HAMAS' excuses that would probably get posted, assuming the usual suspects even bother to chime in which they tend not to in these cases. It's hard to defend the indefensible.

My experience is that posting anything like this (or rampant settlers on the attack in the West Bank) that is truly indefensible just gets ignored by the posters whose narrative these sorts of truths do not fit.

Yeah they'll just ignore it, or at best there'll be a 'look over there' post.

Id say that house is fairly reinforced alright

I would say it's comical (but there's nothing funny about ethnic cleansing) that the usual lot haven't bothered engaging with your post over an hour later, but when evidence of actual crimes against humanity is just ignored it really demonstrates their position on how they view Arab lives.

That's exactly what you look like, an edgelord claiming fakery because the scumbags you cheerlead have yet again been caught on video executing children and civilians.

Do you have any idea what you are trying to say or is it just words for the sake of it?