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Dispute with mod

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,362 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    ignore

    Post edited by Headshot on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,447 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    You have to deal with a poster's specific post ..no generalisation allowed ! Your mistake was to believe the rules apply to everyone 😝



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,692 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    I’m learning I’m learning 🤪

    Ps - thanks for the “humour” - it’s most welcome 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,544 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,447 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    No. It's modding on the run .

    I don't think it's personal or biased cause it's happening all over .

    More mods or rejig threads in CA . Clear up rules or bring back some dispute resolution at an earlier warning .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,692 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison




  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 6,442 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    @Big Bag of Chips @Beasty @ancapailldorcha a question if I may (and please feel free to tell me to go away if I'm overstepping):

    Is Odhran (as owner) in contact with any of yous - either directly or through Mike? Does he have any insights on how the site should be run or what direction they would like?

    As entertaining as I find these "feedback" threads, I can't help feeling nothing really meaningful comes out of it for all involved. And him coming in once a year to say "points taken" and then closing down the discussion... well I would hardly call that engagement.

    Not sure what he achieved by obtaining the site, but right now it feels that he leaves unpaid volunteers hang out to dry and deal with issues - which in turn causes frustration to end users (sometimes understandably, others not so much). If he doesn't care about the site or doesn't make any profit out of it, I would seriously question the existence of it - or at least some parts of it.

    2025 gigs: Selofan, Alison Moyet, Borderline Festival, Wardruna, Gavin Friday, Orla Gartland, The Courettes, Nine Inch Nails



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,692 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Dispute resolution was mostly populated by people who should have been there IMHO- ie they did wrong - I was “successful” in dispute resolution I think twice over the years - I’ve also been in boards prison - it’s paradise you’d love it 😀but in all seriousness I did and probably do like the idea of increasing ban lengths with no appeal - it takes out the bull that goes on -


    BUT- if it’s to work, the mods need to get in there first and warn/ban the trouble makers, before the likes of me gets pizzed off with no intervention and hits the nuclear button - I’d say 80-90% of my bans or warnings or zero point errors would be eradicated had mods been around in the first place.

    Maybe I need to get olde boards out of my head and concentrate on “new” boards- but it’s not easy- it’s a constantly changing landscape- you report report report and nothing happens - then you lash out and you’re banned and lectured to - feic that!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,802 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks this....

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,675 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Like I said, some users have a grievance but you can’t say there’s not a number of users in here just using the thread as a way to “have a go” at the mods.

    I appreciate your concern, Flan, I do. I consider you to be one of the better posters on the site. A mod once warned me, when I’d racked up a number of warnings over a short period of time, to adjust my posting style so I did. Since then I’ve still gotten warnings but not nearly as many.

    It’s obvious you don’t like that you’ve been warned for something, you feel, is unwarranted but the new rules of CA don’t allow for any “dispute resolution”. Not at that stage anyway. If it were me I’d have made my protests and left it once the mod “wasn’t for turning”.

    The mods, and admins, have done everything in their power, bar leaving CA unmoderated, to appease the type of user who frequents that forum and attracts, excessive, attention from the moderators. As a result there’s going to be some “collateral damage”.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭reclose


    @Flaneur OBrien I haven’t seen the post that you are defending but is it not obvious what the mods are saying to you?
    You can’t just post a link without adding some context.
    You yourself used to give out on the US Election thread when posters left links with no context added. You made a point of refusing to watch a video because the poster didn’t add any context.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,447 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Totally agree Oscar . Has happened to a lot of posters

    Am in awe of those who say they have never had a ban warning etc! Can't imagine such a luxurious happy state 😶‍🌫️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,194 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I suggest you read the thread, and find my posts in it. I'm not getting into it further.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 6,442 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    I am in this happy state Goldengirl... by not going in CA at all 🙃🤣😂

    2025 gigs: Selofan, Alison Moyet, Borderline Festival, Wardruna, Gavin Friday, Orla Gartland, The Courettes, Nine Inch Nails



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,272 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    I'm sick of reading feedback threads where posters snipe at each other. How is that any sort of relevant feedback? I suggest you all look at your posts and see if you fall foul of "don't be a dick" and "attack the post not the poster".

    I'll be going back through this thread in the next few minutes and applying 2 point warnings to any post that breaches the site rules and the feedback charter. If a poster picks up multiple warnings as a result then a siteban is likely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,692 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    probably if you stay out of CA and don’t argue that Coleman’s English Mustard is just rank…you’ll be fine 😀



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 19,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    He did add a comment and the link was clearly in the context of the ongoing discussion. It wasn't just a random post dropped in with a link.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭L Grey


    Aw poor baby.

    Cope, it's your job.

    _______________________________________

    Warned: Don't be a dick



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,432 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Speaking solely for myself, no. Nothing in public and nothing otherwise. Not a word.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Beasty mods the site purely to get a response like this thread. He feeds off threads like these.

    That is toxic modding at its finest.

    __________________________________________

    Warned: Do not abuse the volunteers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Here comes the power trip mods and admins are always being accused of….

    With all due respect, fulfilling your own narrative here:

    Aren’t you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,544 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    The mods, and admins, have done everything in their power, bar leaving CA unmoderated, to appease the type of user who frequents that forum and attracts, excessive, attention from the moderators

    That's not why changes were made.

    The lifting of threadbans was done solely to ease the burden on mods, you've been told this. I don't think anyone was asking for the changes that were made, and absolutely nobody was celebrating them, as you implied earlier. (I might go back and reply to that post in a minute if the threads not locked)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,544 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    And these are the posts that'll get the thread locked, but whatever....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I don’t get what burden there was from eg. Pointing out that yes, as the judge clarified, Trump is a rapist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,692 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    In fairness then, does this not point to senior mods overall taking on their own idea/agenda - call it what you will - of what boards should be and what users are a “fit” or not a “fit” and what posts are allowed and not allowed and what posters are warned and not warned / punished.


    Not getting at you or anyone who’s a mod or admin but it’s clear as day that the only direction on this site is coming from the many times self called out “volunteers” ?

    It’s as clear as day to me now what “game” we’re playing here - it’s probably the best perspective to view the state of the current boards.ie



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,391 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Just some thoughts on the new rules:

    The idea to restrict CA posting to a minimum post count was a good move and can be noticed in the forum.

    Clamping down on link dumping to at times dubious Twitter account etc. also made sense within reason.

    Lifting of thread bans though has undone all of these efforts to free up mods time.

    In a previous feedback thread it was my suggestion that was implemented to create a thread banned poster list and it seemed to work well for the most part.

    If the first two changes were made first it would make a lot more sense then to look at removing thread bans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,544 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    It derails a thread and leads to more reported posts, if it's brought up in response to anything and everything "yeah but Trump..."

    less reported posts, less work for mods.



  • Posts: 436 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don't believe that anyone actually agrees with "don't put just a link in a discussion". The toadying is cringey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    except it leads to as much reported posts now evidenced by users being banned for mentioning he’s a rapist.

    It just comes off as giving free political contribution to Trump to prevent anyone from mentioning a court found him to have raped a woman, and when he sued again over the term “rape” the judge even smacked him down. Were Jeffrey Epstein alive and running for President would we have a similar rule? In me hole. People would rightly and regularly question how a rapist continues to get both explicit and implicit political support. And bear in mind Epstein never even had a jury verdict read about him, Trump is even more provably a monster.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,272 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    If you haven't been attacking the poster, then you have nothing to worry about.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭Dan Steely


    I don't think the Free Site or Volunteer argument is any defence. That is the business model of the site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,544 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    except it leads to as much reported posts now evidenced by users being banned

    To paraphrase the new rules, 'posters will learn quickly what is acceptable and what is not'



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 19,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,404 ✭✭✭Homer


    “Business model” would lead people to believe that’s it’s being run as a commercial enterprise when in fact whichever dunces are in charge are slowly running whatever is left into the ground



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,391 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I haven't and yet, I am worried on the contrary about this bold text effort to squelch what I feel is a perfectly reasonable opinion to have expressed. I am concerned that the bolded posts exemplify the very thing looking to be dispelled in a prior post. I'm also concerned that the reason given for retroactive enforcement on the thread of harsher penalties comes from a place of passions, "I'm sick of" etc.; furthermore this is not Feedback, this is Help Desk, you said you'd be enforcing Feedback's Charter upon this thread. Does that mean users with fewer than 100 posts or 3 months membership in this thread will be getting 2-pointers also?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭The_Macho_Man


    The premise of your argument is totally flawed becuase nobody was banned for mentioning Trump was a racist, they were sanctioned for calling him “Rapey Don.”

    I don’t like Trump by any means but the moderators seem to believe that derisive, diminutive nicknames provoke flaming, tit-for-tat sniping and so on (which I happen to agree with).

    This site has been completely taken over with really spiteful hateful arguments and I don’t blame the moderators one bit for trying to put out the flames.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,272 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Posters who shouldn't have the right to post here will have their posts deleted.

    Mod discretion will be used.

    Some posters have already been warned. Some posts I have deleted because they're offtopic but not worth warning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    No: other users have been seen with their posts edited by admin with warning+ban for less than "rapey don" simply mentioning his rape or noting that he is an adjudicated rapist have also run afoul of the rule:

    Trump is not a plausible candidate for the presidency. He is a crook. A rapist. A liar. A conman.

    Poster warned and 1 day forum ban applied

    What am I talking about? Smash Trump on his moral character 24/7.

    Remind every voter in every swing state that he is a convicted rapist and fraudster. On a loop. Non-stop. These are legal facts.

    That's what I'm talking about.

    Warned and 1 day forum ban applied

    Their overall point stands though, Harris isn't a rapist so a brief association with Diddy is a hell of a lot different to having a far bigger association with Diddy and being a rapist. So assuming this would be a scandal for Harris is a huge leap.

    warned and 1 day forum ban applied

    This one, I just have no idea why it got a ban:

    [what people hope to get from a Trump presidency:] A racist, anti-democratic presidency that erodes the rights of women and non-white, non straight folks.

    warned and 1 day forum ban applied

    Post edited by Beasty on October 8



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    In agreement on the thread bans, there seems to be a prolonged death for posters in a thread. They eventually get the forum ban for a while and eventually return again.

    Also while things like mentioning Trump being a rapist are a no go in the election thread, outright personal abuse is completely fine much of the time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭Rooks


    That last warning is actually absurd. I don't know why anyone would participate in a forum where that happens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,447 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I mentioned this in a ' discussion ' with a mod before .

    It is inevitable with this new banning system that unless you don't post in CA or very judiciously most long term posters will eventually be

    disappeared!

    (Anyone seen the OP of this thread recently ?? Cue Twilight zone music ..)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,924 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Do you even realise how many times in this one thread alone you have basically said, and to paraphrase:

    "Anybody who doesn't like it can **** off somewhere else"

    I've just read the full thread and its at least five or six times now, its quite noticeable.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,248 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    about 8-9 years ago I volunteered to mod the old politics cafe. The ancestor of the current affairs forum. People were desperate to save it and I felt I could help.

    It was horrific. I lasted less than a month. Never, ever again would I volunteer for it. The endless reports can’t be dealt with. It completely killed my enjoyment of boards. I came here only to moderate posts, I had no time left to post.

    Myself and Beasty have had a run in or 2. I don’t care for some of the things he does. But you know what, at least he tries. So I accept they exist and try to stay within those limits. Plenty of people don’t even attempt to behave. They’re petulant children with a sense of entitlement.

    The forum needs more mods. God bless you if you volunteer though.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,272 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    That's because I mean it!

    This is a website. Free to use. Membership is voluntary. If it's really that terrible people are free to log off. If the rules here don't suit, but the rules elsewhere are more to their liking then why not stick to those places?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,924 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Well, you are preaching to the choir, I have basically stopped posting at this stage.

    I just thought "Admin wishes posters would **** off elsewhere" was a strange approach to take publicly.

    Oh well. Good luck.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,272 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Admin would prefer if the posters would just get on with it and post and engage in reasonable discussion. If posters find it too difficult or disagreeable to do that, then it'd be better for the site if they moved on.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 34,460 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Maybe 'Admin wishes posters who are intent on being a dick or who always disagrees with every Moderator around or who simply cannot follow the rules in any manner would fúck off elsewhere' might be more accurate.

    Maybe.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,544 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Interesting thread, lot of old names, including a poster I was only thinking about today. He was banned from the astronomy / space forum (or whatever it was called back then) for 'link dumping' updates on a mission in the appropriate thread...



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